First ideology you want to try?

[JokerJace]

So plan equals execution every single time? In every aspect? I find this only to be true on easy settings. And never true in competetive MP games. Especially with all the Civs being random, on a random map etc. On the other hand if you fine tune all the options and don't go too hard... well...

 

[HemlockMartinis]

My first goal will be to win a Space victory with Autocracy, a Conquest victory with Freedom, and a Diplomatic victory with Order.

 

[pilot00]

My first goal will be to win a Space victory with Autocracy, a Conquest victory with Freedom, and a Diplomatic victory with Order.

First is 100% Doable currently.
Third too.

Second I haven't tried it so I cant comment.

 

[Ryoga]

So plan equals execution every single time? In every aspect? I find this only to be true on easy settings.

I don't know if you consider Emperor "easy setting", admittedly I don't try a more difficult setting because I want to have leeway in my games and RP a little, but I've always started my games with a precise idea like "this time I want to win a scientific victory" or "This time I'm going to conquer the whole world" and so on.
It's absolutely feasible and generally a good idea because you won't waste resources for the wrong reason.

No point in spending a lot of efforts in culture building and wonders if you are going for conquest.
You don't want to conquer a CS if you plan a diplomatic victory, but if you don't you can go for it.
You don't want to choose piety if you are going for a scientific victory.

And that's just to mention a few, there's a lot of stuff that you must do or not do depending on what victory you are aiming for.

At the very least Emperor is far from being settler anyway.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Conquest with Freedom? That makes me think of:

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Aaaaand... now I wanna do a Freedom conquest too

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[JokerJace]

I don't know if you consider Emperor "easy setting", admittedly I don't try a more difficult setting because I want to have leeway in my games and RP a little, but I've always started my games with a precise idea like "this time I want to win a scientific victory" or "This time I'm going to conquer the whole world" and so on.
It's absolutely feasible and generally a good idea because you won't waste resources for the wrong reason.

No point in spending a lot of efforts in culture building and wonders if you are going for conquest.
You don't want to conquer a CS if you plan a diplomatic victory, but if you don't you can go for it.
You don't want to choose piety if you are going for a scientific victory.

And that's just to mention a few, there's a lot of stuff that you must do or not do depending on what victory you are aiming for.

At the very least Emperor is far from being settler anyway.

Piety can be perfect for a science victory and vice versa. Everything can be used for everything since everything influences everything in this cleverly designed game. If you can't adapt and stick with your general idea just to stick with it, you probably won't see much ground in a competetive environment.

 

[Kintara]

Piety can be perfect for a science victory and vice versa. Everything can be used for everything since everything influences everything in this cleverly designed game. If you can't adapt and stick with your general idea just to stick with it, you probably won't see much ground in a competetive environment.

Who cares? I can agree with you 100% and squash my urges if they are inefficient like a damn robot and still want to try things out. Because I'm not a robot.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Piety can be perfect for a science victory and vice versa. Everything can be used for everything since everything influences everything in this cleverly designed game. If you can't adapt and stick with your general idea just to stick with it, you probably won't see much ground in a competetive environment.

Look, I'm not saying that isn't true. I'm just asking that you quit running it into the ground in a thread I started to have fun and kill time before release.

 

[JokerJace]

Look, I'm not saying that isn't true. I'm just asking that you quit running it into the ground in a thread I started to have fun and kill time before release.

Just throwing in the opinion that it can be better to look at your starting position and the surrounding other Civs before making ANY decisions. ;-)

 

[AlpsStranger]

I think you're taking this thread way, way too seriously man.

 

[JokerJace]

Who cares? I can agree with you 100% and squash my urges if they are inefficient like a damn robot and still want to try things out. Because I'm not a robot.

depends on how you like to play your games. Flavourful or good. Nothing robotic about that.

 

[Kintara]

depends on how you like to play your games. Flavourful or good. Nothing robotic about that.

You miss my point. I want to try things out. That's not the same thing as being determined to stick to a plan come hell or high water, or devoting myself to improvisation. Just because I want to try something out doesn't mean plans (or no plans) need to enter into it. It's about wanting to try things.

Edit: ...Ugh, let me rephrase it for you. Are there any opportunities you're salivating over to find a chance to use?

 

[ToothedBomb]

I voted Order, but then I saw I messed it up. It's actually Autocracy that has a militaristic focus.
I'm gonna play as the Zulu and wipe everyone out. I'm bad enough at the game that I can tell I'll probably make it to the ideologies before I kill everyone off.

 

[JokerJace]

You miss my point. I want to try things out. That's not the same thing as being determined to stick to a plan come hell or high water, or devoting myself to improvisation. Just because I want to try something out doesn't mean plans need to enter into it. It's about wanting to try things.

Yeah I get that. ^^ When reading the thread title I just wanted to point out that there is a very valid 4th alternative.

 

[Jerman]

Autocracy, build the UN, get as many delegates as possible, Rename it Jerman's Court, Sure you have a say but Jerman Decides all!

 

[Kintara]

Yeah I get that. ^^ When reading the thread title I just wanted to point out that there is a very valid 4th alternative.

Okay, cool, I guess. Anyway, you're not interested or partial to anything? Lightning Warfare with Panzers, for example?

 

[AlpsStranger]

Heh, LW Panzers will definitely be cool as hell.

 

[BluegrassGeek]

So plan equals execution every single time?

No one claimed that.

 

[Ryoga]

Piety can be perfect for a science victory and vice versa.

Oh boy, you'll have a hard time convincing me that for a science victory you can benefit more from piety than from rationalism.

If you can't adapt and stick with your general idea just to stick with it, you probably won't see much ground in a competetive environment.

I don't think anyone here was thinking about multiplayer games in this thread if that's what you mean with "competitive environment".

Anyway that's beside the point. If you can't plan something and execute it in spite of the many variables that's your problem, don't come and say that it's wrong when people do that in diety without any problem.

 

[pilot00]

Oh boy, you'll have a hard time convincing me that for a science victory you can benefit more from piety than from rationalism.



I don't think anyone here was thinking about multiplayer games in this thread if that's what you mean with "competitive environment".

Anyway that's beside the point. If you can't plan something and execute it in spite of the many variables that's your problem, don't come and say that it's wrong when people do that in diety without any problem.

Rationalism is no longer mutually exclusive with piety. And from all accounts it seems that piety is not going to be one of the trees that will be finished except if your religious needs are placed on a high priority.