Ryoga
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We were talking about past game experiences.
You can't really say for sure what works and what doesn't if you don't try it first.
First ideology you want to try?
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We were talking about past game experiences.
You can't really say for sure what works and what doesn't if you don't try it first.
Agree. Gotta see what the situation is when they become available. I'd like to try Order and will if it makes sense but have to evaluate it.
Thats why I said from all accounts. And since we are talking about BNW I assumed you were talking about piety in BNW.
I absolutely am, but in all. ^^ That's why I will decide midgame in most games probably.
ImperialChaos
President
It's a strategy game. Strategy should be used for all games on any difficulty.
Anyway, I want a Domination victory against all of the new civilizations. See their defeat screens, war music, etc. Naturally I should go for Autocracy or Order, but Freedom is my default choice ('Murica). Since they give achievements for Order and Autocracy Domination victories then I'll go for Autocracy.
That shouldnt be very hard. You can already have a very broad empire with a high science output and a high population. There a literally dozens of situation I can imagine - from that point on - where stabilizing yourself through an already finished piety tree would a be a better situation than going from fast to a little faster with the start of rationalism when aiming for the science victory.
To play the devils advocate: Why should you have a completed piety tree and just a rationalism start and not a complete tree in the above example? Also a wide empire has more science buildings and benefits on a larger percentage total from their buffs. Piety right now is all but useless.
Because it is available a lot earlier and brought you to the point you are. Religion is the greatest universal stabilizer in the whole game.
Yzman
Deity
Yeah I am not seeing these scenarios where you could use piety more efficiently than going rationalism for a science victory. Plus, the second you start rationalism, you negated any piety bonuses you had and had to go through anarchy to do it ( pre BNW). I can not think of a single scenario where this is ever optimal. Could it be done? Sure. But piety would not be "helping" you to achieve it.
To stay on topic, I tend to go with freedom. I like to go for peaceful type victories more often than not, so the other 2 don't do much for me. I will eventually try them all though as I go for each achievement.
I would suspect that is not even close to being true. I don't think religion in BNW will play that much different than in G&K and in G&K, you can pretty much ignore religion and still win at higher difficulties.
both are true
Yzman
Deity
I love to go heavy religious in my games and hardly ever use piety. It simply isn't good and is totally unnecessary. Also, none of the policies would help cement my science victory. They all help with social policies, culture and a bit of gold or more religion. It is far more likely that liberty or tradition ( or even patrionage!) helped me get to where I am and then I would go rationalism when I can. Remember, just because you are using piety doesn't mean its helping you towards your victory. It literally probably helps 0% towards that particular victory.
I'd love to hear even one scenario where piety would be more beneficial for a science victory than rationalism.
I am saying that the situation that you are in when rationalism becomes available plays a more important role than whether you pick it or not - for aiming at a science victory. That is absolutely correct and Piety can help you there. A higher overall status helps with any victory type. If Piety has any specific science yields is completely irrelevant, you have to see the bigger picture. And I agree that Tradition, Liberty and even Patronage can do the same thing and often easier. It is simply not true that rationalism is the better choice for Science Victories 100% of the time.
AlpsStranger
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Faith is a super-flexible resource, that's for sure.
AlpsStranger
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Bah, who cares. It's derailed. It's not like the poll is closed.
Talcove
Slayer of Spies
I'll adopt Freedom as Portugal and win a scientific victory. I'll buy my way into space - now the property of a raving mad woman from Portugal! After that, I'll go Freedom again, except I'll be Morocco and seek a diplomatic victory. The first time I take Order will most likely be with Venice, and it's vast puppet empire. I'll also try Autocracy with the Zulu.
Knut_Are_M
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Based on the bonuses I would go autocracy.
Reason being you get the most happy per city With the least Investment in hammers.
Also some of the military bonuses such as +15 exp for units can be really useful for Your naval and air forces.
and tanks With +1 movement can be really useful if you become a runaway.
Getting so many bonuses for domination sure is good. as for tier 3, well I would ignore those and rather pick ordinary policies. Maybe pick +25% attack bonuses before a war.
And naturally since there are so many good tier 1 and 2 tenents I would need to invest some into culture every single game.
Reason being you get the most happy per city With the least Investment in hammers.
Also some of the military bonuses such as +15 exp for units can be really useful for Your naval and air forces.
and tanks With +1 movement can be really useful if you become a runaway.
Getting so many bonuses for domination sure is good. as for tier 3, well I would ignore those and rather pick ordinary policies. Maybe pick +25% attack bonuses before a war.
And naturally since there are so many good tier 1 and 2 tenents I would need to invest some into culture every single game.
Utfordreren
Chieftain
Even though I went order in almost all of my G&K playthroughs, I think that freedom will be my first ideology in BNW.
