If you mean for 2K, then yes (I do find the irony vastly amusing however). I do find the user score very interesting, perhaps even telling. It is nice to see 2K's budget for critics review is still going strong, I wonder how many "gift baskets" they sent out. I would also like to see a review from Tom Schick at 1up however, just to see what his take on this is.
Ah. The hater! With no other outlet for his/her hatred, they will most likely search out every board and post a blistering, hate-fueled review in attempt dissuade potential customers from buying and thereby hurting the designers in proportion to the hurt they have hurt them, or so they hope. Then the patches and expansions come along and all is forgiven, until the next release.
It's the same as Civ IV and Civ V were on release too. If you have already clocked up hundreds of hours playing previous titles, yes, the game is going to feel bare-bones on release for you as it does for me. But it is relatively bug free for me and that's not seen often in a new release.
It has great potential and I'm confident that it will be an utterly awesome game after one or two expansions are released. Fortunately, the game feels sufficiently different for me to keep me coming back for another game for a long time to come. I still have to finish my first game which I'm loving by the way. I also have so many quality games demanding my time that I rarely ever play any game back to back but will play something else and return later.
I'm quite sure that the first patch will make the game much better for most of us but until then for what seems like the rest of you guys, "Di quella pira l'orrendo foco tutte le fibre m'arse avvampò!"
*sigh* if your referring to my post good sir, then you are mistaken that I am a "hater", I merely pointed out that the difference between critics and users was vastly separate in a rather sarcastic manner. Additionally, I rather resent your obtuse blanket statement that anyone who dares to point out that they are dis-satisfied with a product that they have purchased and points that out is now regulated to a particular classification merely because they don't share your rather starry-eyed view point.
Perhaps in the future instead of arbitrarily classifying someone in an insulting manner and demonstrating your Italian linguistic skills, you might take a pause and actually try interpret the overall post of someone instead of merely glancing at it and then furiously type out a defender's of the faith response. Just a suggestion of course.
Ah. The hater! With no other outlet for his/her hatred, they will most likely search out every board and post a blistering, hate-fueled review in attempt dissuade potential customers from buying and thereby hurting the designers in proportion to the hurt they have hurt them, or so they hope. Then the patches and expansions come along and all is forgiven, until the next release.
It's the same as Civ IV and Civ V were on release too. If you have already clocked up hundreds of hours playing previous titles, yes, the game is going to feel bare-bones on release for you as it does for me. But it is relatively bug free for me and that's not seen often in a new release.
It has great potential and I'm confident that it will be an utterly awesome game after one or two expansions are released. Fortunately, the game feels sufficiently different for me to keep me coming back for another game for a long time to come. I still have to finish my first game which I'm loving by the way. I also have so many quality games demanding my time that I rarely ever play any game back to back but will play something else and return later.
I'm quite sure that the first patch will make the game much better for most of us but until then for what seems like the rest of you guys, "Di quella pira l'orrendo foco tutte le fibre m'arse avvampò!"
That's the problem: the game should not need expansions + DLC to be awesome, that's my entire problem. Like I was kind of disappointed that G&K was what vanilla V SHOULD have been in the first place imo but the base game carried it well enough. In this case a lot of the issues involve the UI and artistic issues in addition to the actually balance/AI issues. The game feels like it could have used another couple months in the oven. The argument against buying on release date is pretty weak too, it's not unreasonable to expect a game to be polished before release. That's one of the reasons I got burned by, for example, Guild Wars 2 where I check once in a great while, sigh and groan when I see them releasing "Polish" updates literally a year later on content that has been in since day 1.
Again, I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh, it might come off rougher than it means to but I think after a second botched up release we need some real talk and tough love for Firaxis and I'm not spending another dime until some of the enormous issues get fixed.r
EDIT: Also, yeah, it's not uncommon for there to be big gaps between users and critics. This is why people don't take many reviewers/review websites seriously anymore. If a game is flawed the users will say it: the critics won't, especially in the final score. I forget which review I saw that gave some very sharp criticism of BE...then gave it 9/10. Sigh.
I for one am enjoying this game, it reminds me so much of SMAC,brought me to tears the stiring opening and then the game play,forging a civilization on a new world. I was back in SMAC after so long! Yes I know it is different, just like original BSG is different to the new version.
Love the alien elements, taking out a siege worm was great and the insectoids are glorious!
I only lasted 14 days with CiV and even with 2 updates couldn't stand it, (maybe it improved with more and more updates?)I didn't wait.
Was reticent with CivBE as it has the same engine, but sufficiently polished now to carve it into a whole new game.I think they have done a great job, and any little irks will be tweaked soon enough.
Thanks Firaxis for rekindling the SMAC flame for a new generation.
*sigh* if your referring to my post good sir, then you are mistaken that I am a "hater", I merely pointed out that the difference between critics and users was vastly separate in a rather sarcastic manner. Additionally, I rather resent your obtuse blanket statement that anyone who dares to point out that they are dis-satisfied with a product that they have purchased and points that out is now regulated to a particular classification merely because they don't share your rather starry-eyed view point.
Perhaps in the future instead of arbitrarily classifying someone in an insulting manner and demonstrating your Italian linguistic skills, you might take a pause and actually try interpret the overall post of someone instead of merely glancing at it and then furiously type out a defender's of the faith response. Just a suggestion of course.
Have you read this thread? Just because my post immediately follows yours, you jump to the conclusion that I am attacking you and feel compelled to return the favour. While you really are the centre of your own universe, you are not the centre of mine Had I been replying to your post, as I am doing just now, I would have quoted your post in mine. But since you are obviously just looking to be offended, I will overlook your intentionally insulting remarks about me being a starry eyed defender of the faith?
And it's opera, my good man. I speak no Italian whatsoever but I know my opera.
That's the problem: the game should not need expansions + DLC to be awesome, that's my entire problem. Like I was kind of disappointed that G&K was what vanilla V SHOULD have been in the first place imo but the base game carried it well enough. In this case a lot of the issues involve the UI and artistic issues in addition to the actually balance/AI issues. The game feels like it could have used another couple months in the oven. The argument against buying on release date is pretty weak too, it's not unreasonable to expect a game to be polished before release. That's one of the reasons I got burned by, for example, Guild Wars 2 where I check once in a great while, sigh and groan when I see them releasing "Polish" updates literally a year later on content that has been in since day 1.
Again, I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh, it might come off rougher than it means to but I think after a second botched up release we need some real talk and tough love for Firaxis and I'm not spending another dime until some of the enormous issues get fixed.r
EDIT: Also, yeah, it's not uncommon for there to be big gaps between users and critics. This is why people don't take many reviewers/review websites seriously anymore. If a game is flawed the users will say it: the critics won't, especially in the final score. I forget which review I saw that gave some very sharp criticism of BE...then gave it 9/10. Sigh.
Don't worry. your post doesn't sound harsh to me at all. I have been playing computer games for nigh on thirty years now and in that time I've seen them evolve from simple text-adventures and 'shoot-em-ups' into the very, very complex beasts they are nowadays. Computer games like this require teams of skilled artists and programmers to create just like movies do nowadays. This talent doesn't work for free so the developers have a limited time to develop their game and they have to make decisions about what can be in the game at release and what will come in DLC later. For example, religion in Civ V GK was much better that religion in Civ IV. It took a lot of time to develop and code that into the game, both the UI for it and its function in the game.
I don't expect a game to arrive fully developed anymore unless it is quite simple in its scope because the costs of developing games is astronomical now.
If you mean for 2K, then yes (I do find the irony vastly amusing however). I do find the user score very interesting, perhaps even telling. It is nice to see 2K's budget for critics review is still going strong, I wonder how many "gift baskets" they sent out. I would also like to see a review from Tom Schick at 1up however, just to see what his take on this is.
Makes me think of that thread where the author was advocating that people not pre-order the game. He got a lot of crap for it. Well, to all the people who pre-ordered the game, congratulations, you can feel satisfied of supporting the studio that puts out unbalanced, unfinished reskin and calls it a game for $50. And all your money simply justified their half-assed approach.
Makes me think of that thread where the author was advocating that people not pre-order the game. He got a lot of crap for it. Well, to all the people who pre-ordered the game, congratulations, you can feel satisfied of supporting the studio that puts out unbalanced, unfinished reskin and calls it a game for $50. And all your money simply justified their half-assed approach.
Believe it or not, not everyone is butt-hurt to the same extent as you are over the state of Civ IV or V at release and feel the need to encourage others to follow us into your valley of rage and dark despair. Some of us actually appreciate that the industry has changed and are happy to support the developers so that they can produce the games that Civ IV and V both turned out to be.
Seriously, it's just a game. Don't take it all so seriously. Nobody forced me to buy it pre-release and I'm not disappointed. (I'm not bouncing off the walls with happiness either ). You obviously don't care about the impression you are presenting of yourself to this community when you come here to point fingers and sneer at those who did because they don't share your utterly venomous outlook on the industry. Enjoy your life and be happy. Nothing else matters. If video gaming makes you this unhappy, find another hobby that does.
I haven't read the rest of the posts in this thread. My first impression is that it must be some kind of a joke. I'm a Deity player in Civ 5, not the best but I do fine. I played my first BE game on Apollo and it felt like Prince in Civ 5. I was ahead of the AI from the start and just pulled away from there. I'm not sure if there is any point to playing another game since there was no challenge at all. I doubt the play style will be any different with another faction as the differences between factions seem minimal. I'll probably just have to shelve it until the inevitable nerfs happen.
Internal sea trade routes were ridiculous. I had 5 cities over pop 15 when my neighbors only had one (their capital). There was no issue dropping down to -15 health to expand and grow rapidly, and with the right combo of building, improvements, wonders and virtues you can rapidly reverse the health problem and end up with a huge excess. I'm sure I didn't even play optimally as it was my first playthrough.
Also, the AI seems even worse at combat in BE than in Civ 5, if that is even possible. Now they have the option to just stand in miasma, and of course they do that every chance they get.
I guess I should have held off on buying, but I was as excited to play as everyone else.
Admittedly I've only played the demo, I read up on the reviews via Steam and it seems like it needs a bit of touching up. I think I'm going to wait before I buy it.
Still, the demo was fun. I feel like the UI could use work, I was rather confused even with the full tutorial. Along with the aliens swarming around my city, I was nervous with 2 siege worms making their rounds outside my borders along with 3 or so nest somewhat close to my city. I think all in all it feels like a better vanilla Civ5 but not comparable to Civ5:BNW.
The single biggest issue with games like CiV, Civ BE, and many other similar games is, IMHO, the AI. It makes me sad to see these fantastic, complex, immersive "computer board games" get created, with obviously a huge investment of manpower, and the opponents we are to spend hours and hours playing against are treated like a tertiary feature. That is simply shameful.
It's the 21st century and while the industry has changed, and the games we play have become quite amazing in many ways, the artificial brains behind these games feel like they simply haven't kept up. I am the target audience for the Civ-like games and the 4X games, yet I've stopped buying them because I know it's all coating and no substance. I check in on the steam forums and the civ fanatics forums, desperately hoping to find posts about how the most surprising feature of this new games is the AI!! It's brilliant! Unfortunately this is never the case.
I'm sure many developers are already lamenting that the PC strategy genre is "not exactly super profitable," but I can tell you why you haven't been getting my money lately - I expect a modern PC strategy game to entice both my eyes and my brain, and that has largely stopped happening.
I just played a game as the ARC on an Atlantean map. I started on a small continent with an alien wilderness taking up the better portion of it. It was a hell of a struggle starting out, but I eventually got a nest within my cultural borders and the aliens eventually turned blue. I wasn't initially going to go Harmony, but there was loads of Xenomass in that wilderness area, so I couldn't pass it up.
I never had the highest score and I failed to get most of the wonders. I felt like that particular game challenged me. I could have been smarter in tech selection, I think. Overall, a satifying first game.
I definitely agree with those who say the trade routes need to be reduced or managed better. I found them to be tedious to manage in BNW, and this is worse. I didn't have much problem with the colors or the UI as some have. Maybe it's because I paid attention to preview livestreams and did my research.
I feel like some patches will probably bring this game around to be quite a bit more entertaining.
This is fine game, but its bit plain and need some more work and additions.
AI sucks badly, and civs have serious variety/difference issues. There 3 civs in the game which are affinities, UUs are gone so all the tactical/strategic difference in combat play.
I like the style of it, but for now, its not enough to get me playing it more and more.
Also music is undewhelming. In CiV i was mesmerized by different soundtracks. Here it is same, no matter Affinity/Faction. Or at least it sounds like that.
Will put it on shelf after unlocking Apollo acheivement, till next patch.
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Just because my post immediately follows yours, you jump to the conclusion that I am attacking you and feel compelled to return the favour. While you really are the centre of your own universe, you are not the centre of mine 
Had I been replying to your post, as I am doing just now, I would have quoted your post in mine. But since you are obviously just looking to be offended, I will overlook your intentionally insulting remarks about me being a starry eyed defender of the faith? 
). You obviously don't care about the impression you are presenting of yourself to this community when you come here to point fingers and sneer at those who did because they don't share your utterly venomous outlook on the industry. Enjoy your life and be happy. Nothing else matters. If video gaming makes you this unhappy, find another hobby that does.
