First Look: Kongo

[Eagle Pursuit]

Is it weird that at one minute into the video, Kongo is shown as having 5000 faith! How did they possibly get that much faith?!

World Builder shenanigans.

 

[Nixalo]

One of the most important things Afonso/Mvemba did was convert. The ability is also linked to him, so another leader would be able to.

Any of the leaked civ leaders create a great work?

 

[King Jason]

So getting an apostle of other religions give what exactly? What would you do? Stop other civs from winning a religious victory. Am i misunderstanding something?

You would spread that religion. Having the founder belief gives you all of benefit of the religion being spread. The trick is to prevent the actual founder from winning.

 

[eso12por8]

Well the previous explanation said "must be built adjacent to the Coast"... although come to think of it the Great Lighthouse and Colossus also say "must be built on the coast." This is all per: http://well-of-souls.com/civ/civ6_cities.html#wonders. So perhaps all these coastal wonders can be built either on ocean or land tiles, so long as they are "adjacent to the coast"?

There are so many new rules and things I can't get my head straight. I wanna be focused when the game comes out. Need to maximize gameplay during work schedule.. Ready for Portugal

 

[redwings1340]

No holy sites is a downside, but I don't think it will be a huge downside for kongo. After all, it's not like Venice, there are games you play when you don't want to build a holy site anyway, even if you had the option to do so. Clearly the developers want you to adopt a religion then use it well, and you get faith by getting faith through beliefs, or even conquering other cities with holy sites. You're just going to want to build more campuses, theatre districts, and their neighborhood replacements for growth.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

So getting an apostle of a city's religion gives what if you can't found your own religion (unless you somehow still can)? What would you do? Stop other civs from winning a religious victory. Am i misunderstanding something?

Spread the religion of your choice (important because you cant Build missionaries/Apostles/inquisitors because you lack Holy Sites.)

And you want the religion of your choice inside your cities because you get the Founder Beliefs of the dominant one.

Interestingly you get replacements for most of what the holy site does
...Great Prophet points to found religion........Founder benefits of another religion
...Faith for Great People...extra Gold and Great People points

one point it falls down on...
No benefit to "Worship" beliefs (require holy site)
No benefit to 2 follower beliefs (bonus for Temple+Shrine)

The question is

If Kongo has 10 cities (all Catholic)
Spain founded Catholicism (5 cities)
America has 20 Catholic cities

Catholicism founder belief is +2 faith from foreign cities following this religion
Spain gets 60 faith
Does Kongo get
20 faith (only counting their own cities..which are still foreign to the founder)
50 faith (all cities foreign to kongo)
60 faith (same as spain)
0 faith (they only count their cities, which are not foreign to themselves)

 

[Siptah]

Is it just my impression that the abilities got more complex with the last reveals? The first civs where easy to understand and it's clear what to do to be most efficient with them. Spain already was more complex, and now with India and Kongo no one is sure how powerful it is. Also, the strategies to try seem more diverse. If that continues, it would be awesome.

 

[shyPiano]

historically, the flag of Kongo was white/red, just like Japan. As it is now, it's the same colors as Scythia. Maybe it will change or Scythia changed theirs? I'm not sure if the mask is generic or a specific one.

Scythia's color scheme is more Red-on-Bronze or Red-on-Brown, while Kongo's is Red-on-Yellow (very similar to Civ V's Siam), so there's no conflict there.

It's rather interesting they didn't go with Kongo's flag for the civ's icon, and instead it seems based on a mask of some sort.

 

[fmm]

Is it just my impression that the abilities got more complex with the last reveals? The first civs where easy to understand and it's clear what to do to be most efficient with them. Spain already was more complex, and now with India and Kongo no one is sure how powerful it is. Also, the strategies to try seem more diverse. If that continues, it would be awesome.

Yes, they've definitely demonstrated a willingness to try out ambitious civilization designs. Impossible to say ahead of time if they will pan out, but props to them for trying.

 

[Luxerne]

If anybody is wondering why the UA is limited to Relics, Artifacts, and Sculptures, it refers to these figurines called Nkisi which were pretty important to the Kongolese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkisi

 

[Siptah]

Scythia's color scheme is more Red-on-Bronze or Red-on-Brown, while Kongo's is Red-on-Yellow (very similar to Civ V's Siam), so there's no conflict there.

It's rather interesting they didn't go with Kongo's flag for the civ's icon, and instead it seems based on a mask of some sort.

It's way to similar as it looks now. I can see the difference if I look at them shortly after another, but it should be easier to differentiate. It's easy to see when it comes to borders, but for the units... But you are right, they are more yellow, but not as bright yellow as they could be. I was wondering about the flag, too.

If anybody is wondering why the UA is limited to Relics, Artifacts, and Sculptures, it refers to these figurines called Nkisi which were pretty important to the Kongolese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkisi

Thanks, I'll have to read up on them.

 

[shyPiano]

It's way to similar as it looks now. I can see the difference if I look at them shortly after another, but it should be easier to differentiate. It's easy to see when it comes to borders, but for the units... But you are right, they are more yellow, but not as bright yellow as they could be.

I never had trouble distinguishing England from Austria in Civilization V, so I don't see Scythia and Kongo being too similar.
Still, I don't know where this particular color scheme for Kongo came from (same with Scythia, in a way), so I don't know if it is particularly historically accurate. If not, I'd much rather they changed the colors to better fit the civilization.

 

[Zaarin]

Interesting civ--very strange, but interesting. I might give them a shot some time since I do generally like aiming for culture victory, but I also really like founding religions, so they won't be my go-to civ by any means.

 

[Halcyan2]

If anybody is wondering why the UA is limited to Relics, Artifacts, and Sculptures, it refers to these figurines called Nkisi which were pretty important to the Kongolese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkisi

Unfortunately this means that Great Writers aren't all that useful.

And even a good portion of Great Artists aren't helpful - those that produce Religious Art are much worse than those that produce Sculptures. Looks like Kongo would want to pass on Renaissance-era Andrei Rublev since he only produces 3 pieces of Religious Art (no Sculptures).

 

[Gintoki89]

Unfortunately this means that Great Writers aren't all that useful.

And even a good portion of Great Artists aren't helpful - those that produce Religious Art are much worse than those that produce Sculptures. Looks like Kongo would want to pass on Renaissance-era Andrei Rublev since he only produces 3 pieces of Religious Art (no Sculptures).

Well, Great Writers are still as useful as they are to anyone else, since their counter and probably their great work slots are separate from art slots.

As for Artists, yeah, you may want to pass on a pure religious art artist if you can in the hopes of getting sculpture, just like with the new great person system there's a bunch of Great People that you may want to pass on if you can hope to get a better one that fits what you specifically need. And if you do end up with religious art you'll still get the regular bonuses. So it's not that they "aren't helpful," just not as helpful.

 

[Joketa]

No holy site? That's just weird. I don't see how that affects gaining a Great Prophet as you can still do so with Stonehenge, Wild Card policies, or just buying them. The video didn't say that Kongo couldn't found a religion. At least, I didn't hear it. But if Kongo can found a religion then it can't have worship beliefs because it can't make Holy Sites. And if Kongo's religion is the dominant one in its cities, then Kongo won't get the founder belief from someone else. Then it just becomes a negative Leader Ability all around. If Kongo can't found a religion (and really it shouldn't), does that mean Great Prophets are unavailable to them? If so, what happens if they build Stonehenge? Do they get a Great Prophet that doesn't found a religion, but provides relics instead? That would be alright.

Until we know more, I'm a bit apprehensive about Kongo's Leader Ability. The rest of its uniques look good, though.

Certainly, you'll want to spread your religion to Kongo as the AI will likely spread your religion like wildfire and help you get a Religious Victory.

 

[hugojackson18]

Damn he looks AWESOME!
So impressed with most of the leaders in this game, they've done such a fantastic job.

Kongo seems like a really interresting Civ to play.

On another note, I can't believe the randomness of publications of those videos. It's 2am in the UK !

 

[CaptainUnknown]

No holy site? That's just weird. I don't see how that affects gaining a Great Prophet as you can still do so with Stonehenge, Wild Card policies, or just buying them. The video didn't say that Kongo couldn't found a religion. At least, I didn't hear it. But if Kongo can found a religion then it can't have worship beliefs because it can't make Holy Sites. And if Kongo's religion is the dominant one in its cities, then Kongo won't get the founder belief from someone else. Then it just becomes a negative Leader Ability all around. If Kongo can't found a religion (and really it shouldn't), does that mean Great Prophets are unavailable to them? If so, what happens if they build Stonehenge? Do they get a Great Prophet that doesn't found a religion, but provides relics instead? That would be alright.

Until we know more, I'm a bit apprehensive about Kongo's Leader Ability. The rest of its uniques look good, though.

Certainly, you'll want to spread your religion to Kongo as the AI will likely spread your religion like wildfire and help you get a Religious Victory.

without Holy sites they have no place to pop a great prophet (minus Stonehenge). Having any polices to get GP points really won't help you unless you have Stonehenge, but if you have that then you don't need GP points in the first place. I imagine they are completely barred from founding a religion overall.

 

[apocalypse105]

Definitely a civ for domination victory as you will take cities of other religion and convert and get the founder belief..

early swordsman that doesnt require iron and has defence against range unit early wars..

More housing more poppulation and production for units

 

[Krajzen]

Awesome design, one of my favourite civs now.

I have one question though. In the ending summaru the narrator says Kongo can create much better cities around rainforests and woods.

...but none of Kongo's uniques mentions any economic benefits to forest cities???

So why did she say that?


Other than that I just wanted to say Iove the fact he is so "african", I was afraid he'll be wearing european clothes, or be called afonso, or even speak portuguese.