The UU have a benefit from rainforests and forests?
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The UU have a benefit from rainforests and forests?
Joketa
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Yes, all true. I forgot about needing a holy district to create a religion. Stonehenge still becomes a question. I do like that a GP providing relics would have synergy with their UA.
The Leader Ability still seems more negative than positive unless you get a very agreeable Founder Belief like Tithe. If the Founder Belief just helps spread someone else's religion - Scripture, Itinerant Preachers, Holy Order - how does that help you? How does having a religion help you if the Follower Belief is Feed the World or Religious Community (both boost Shrines and Temples)? This LA is a head-scratcher.
It could be a reference to his shieldbearers, but it's also worth remembering we weren't told all the bonuses of previous civs and I'd expect that's still the case.
Yeah, given the later reveals of additions like Hojo's ability, I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, the Mbanza is stronger if built around rainforest/woods.
She specifically said about developing big rainforest cities and I very specifically said ECONOMIC benefits to avoid someone mistakenly pointing 'duh shield bearers' with their bonus that has nothing to do with cities, yet here you are
Well that's a bit ridiculous for them to list all bonuses of a civ except the very one that gets main attention in the vague summary.
"That civ gets butter, milk and sugar. As you can see it has a lot of pineapples!"
kul
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The only thing I object are his looks. He looks too tribalized, while everything we know about him said that he was eager for the conversion of his peoples. Commonly, this is also followed by a some degree of westernization in their everyday lives, such as clothings. I mean, if we were to look for other ilustration made for him in recent years, then most of them would feature him to be more clothed than this. I dont like it
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Well, it seemed worth pointing out even if obvious, and of course having good defenders will help you establish your cities in the rainforest and forest.She specifically said about developing big rainforest cities and I very specifically said ECONOMIC benefits to avoid someone mistakenly pointing 'duh shield bearers' with their bonus that has nothing to do with cities, yet here you are
But based on everything we've seen, I think that it is also quite likely that the Mbanza have some kind of adjacency bonus from forest and rainforests. They are described as providing "food and gold" in addition to housing, but it doesn't explain exactly how it provides food and gold. Also the blog posts mentions specifically that the Mbanza were built deep in the jungle.
Didn't it occur to you that devs very deliberately gave him native look, to display him as native African leader and representation of indigenous African culture, also in a setting where there may be no western civs at all
?Personally I love it for those very reasons and would dislike him with european style clothes, background, language or name (afonso). He is proud leader of pure Subsaharan culture.
It's likely to be a bias towards jungle/forrest on top of the UU. It's true in the past they have left out additional details of certain unique abilities, but they've never left out an entire ability itself.
it could also be that those additional abilities were added later for balance reasons as civs such as England were found to be objectively weaker than others.
it could also be that those additional abilities were added later for balance reasons as civs such as England were found to be objectively weaker than others.
kul
Prince
Didn't it occur to you that devs very deliberately gave him native look, to display him as native African leader and representation of indigenous African culture, also in a setting where there may be no western civs at all
Personally I love it for those very reasons and would dislike him with european style clothes, background, language or name (afonso). He is proud leader of pure Subsaharan culture.
Then maybe they should have looked for a leader that werent so eager at replacing the native beliefs of his people by foreigner's own. I can see your points, and diversity is always good, especially in these kind of games (I too, would like some random off civs be included to fill the YNAEMaps) but what ticks me off here is that the designers kinda make a Kongo looks more "ethnic" just to make their point about diversity clearer,when they actually dont have to do that. Kongo is fine on their own with their own native twist of Catholiscism, which I think the designers overlook when designing Mvemba a Nzinga, while implementing it briliantly on their unique ability.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
I think India gets the same with its Dharma ability IIRC.
India gets follower beliefs, no one but the founder usually ever gets founder beliefs.
No, India gets *follower* beliefs; but Kongo gets *founder* beliefs.
Scaramanga
Brickhead
Pretty interesting to get the founder belief of a religion without making the effort to get one. Interesting and powerful.
nukehumvee
Warlord
It's for Follower Beliefs, and India can still build Holy Sites and establish religions.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Interesting......does this mean that theater and Neighbourhood Districts will have their own religions attached to them?
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Interesting. I must have misheard that ability. Shows I'm also still in Civilization 5 mode, though, as I thought a city got the follower beliefs for all religions in that city automatically-not just the dominant religion......maybe this means that State Religion/Converting between religions is coming back?
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