1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

First Look: Macedon with Alex the Great

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by SupremacyKing2, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Onii-chan

    Onii-chan Prince

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2016
    Messages:
    516
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stockholm, Sweden
    As has already been said, Greece's UA/UU/UI would all be horribly unsuited for Alexander, plus Greece already has two leaders. From a gameplay standpoint it makes more sense this way
     
    CPWimmer likes this.
  2. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2010
    Messages:
    14,373
    Cramming a Domination-flavored leader into a culture-themed civ would be crappy design. This is better from a gameplay perspective.
     
  3. The Kingmaker

    The Kingmaker Alexander

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2004
    Messages:
    1,682
    "Hellenistic" means "Greek-like," as opposed to "Hellenic" which is just "Greek."

    "Hellenistic" more properly refers to the "Greek lite" culture propagated by the Macedonians in the wake of Alexander's conquest. It's the culture of the Hellenized rather than the Hellenes.

    Whether the Macedonians themselves were more properly to be considered among the Hellenes or among the Hellenized is still something of a matter for debate. It depends who you ask. ;)
     
    4N4C0ND4, MooFreaky and Zaarin like this.
  4. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    5,704
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    I agree with those saying that Alexander wouldn't fit well with Greece's civ abilities; I also agree with those saying that adding Macedon is a complete waste of a civ when the Balkans are already overrepresented, even ignoring the fact that Europe as a whole is overrepresented (NB: I want more European civs...later, when we have more non-European civs). I could have blithely lived without seeing the return of Alexander the Great; just make him a great general and be done with it. Same with Napoleon. And Genghis Khan. (Mongolia can have Kublai Khan.)

    All that being said, I do admit that Macedon fits a niche not currently present in the game: single-minded rampant conquest. I'm not sure I would have chosen Macedon to fill that niche, however; after all, Alexander's empire crumbled immediately upon his death. I'd much rather have the Mongols fill that role. On the plus side, maybe we'll see a more nuanced depiction of the Mongols? The Yuan did make significant contributions to trade and culture, after all.
     
  5. 6uho Koe

    6uho Koe Warlord

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2016
    Messages:
    102
    So far the devs are (over)filling southern Balkans/Greek region excluding Albania, and other southern slavic groups. However, the music for Macedon in the first look video sounds like Balkan/south Slavic. If that were the case, I guess it adds a hint of other Balkan group but it would create a huge controversy if Alexander's music is Macedonian music. I could be wrong and they may be northern Greek music. Though, I agree that it is a bit much to add more western civs than needed for now. I was kind of hoping Macedon would only show up in the scenario.

    It would be a nice change to give the Mongols a more cultural, tolerant, or adopting traits, especially in regards to trade. Would like to see other Mongol leaders apart from Yuan to get representation but that may not be likely.
     
    CivLuvah and Zaarin like this.
  6. DefiantMars

    DefiantMars Prince

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    590
    Location:
    Honolulu, HI
    Alex is back?! *starts hyperventilating* If he starts complaining about me settling near his lands when I settle 4 tiles away from my capital like he did in Civ V, I swear I will go on a rant.
     
  7. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2010
    Messages:
    14,373
    Your delegate, Hans, has learned that Macedon has adopted the Oligarchy government.

    Crap.
     
  8. Ozymandias9891

    Ozymandias9891 Warlord

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    271
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Montreal, QC
    I never go for domination victory, in fact, I avoid offensive wars altogether. But now with this... oh boy! Can't wait to play as Alexander!!
     
  9. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2001
    Messages:
    6,861
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Brighouse, England
    The irony of Alexander having lower war weariness when that is what effectively ended his campaigning.
     
    MantaRevan, nzcamel and Manifold like this.
  10. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2010
    Messages:
    14,373
    Most armies would have stopped long before he did though.

    The great thing about playing against a conquest-dependent civ is that they are the ultimate snowballers. If you can shut down his first assault, he's never going to be able to get back up on his feet, and you can eliminate them later at your leisure.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2017
    nzcamel and Tiger Genocide like this.
  11. Leyrann

    Leyrann Deity

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2015
    Messages:
    4,009
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Netherlands
    And here I thought it was his death that stopped his campaigning...
     
  12. Onii-chan

    Onii-chan Prince

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2016
    Messages:
    516
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stockholm, Sweden
    His men started protesting that they were sick of fighting when the campaign moved on into India, and that what they had conquered was already enough. They wanted to go home to meet their families again. Alexander wanted to push onwards but eventually had to concede and turn back like his men wanted. He died in an illness shortly thereafter back in Persia

    Or at least that's what I remember being taught at least, don't quote me on it
     
    4N4C0ND4 and nzcamel like this.
  13. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2001
    Messages:
    6,861
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Brighouse, England
    A quick synopsis:

     
    Leyrann, Tiger Genocide and Katakanja like this.
  14. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Messages:
    5,393
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New York City
    I assume Alexander will speak Attic Greek like Pericles and Gorgo (inaccurate in Gorgo's case). There seems to be not much left of the ancient Macedonian language, which is one of the reasons for the debate about ancient Macedonians being Greek. Hopefully, the voice acting is better that Civ5 Alex :p
     
    Zaarin likes this.
  15. Katakanja

    Katakanja Emperor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2016
    Messages:
    1,258
    Oh well done! You found Macedon's theme for the modern era :lol:
     
    ShinigamiKenji likes this.
  16. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    5,704
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    Evidence leans towards Macedonian being either a sister language or a rather divergent dialect, but closely related either way. (And seriously, would it have been too much to ask for Gorgo to speak Doric Greek?) Given that Alex was educated in Athens, though, I don't have a problem with him speaking Attic Greek.
     
    MantaRevan and nzcamel like this.
  17. Tiger Genocide

    Tiger Genocide Warlord

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2016
    Messages:
    271
    Gender:
    Male
    Alexander was the most annoying leader in Civ 5 for me. Marbozir and others hate Trollface the most, but I hated Alexander with a passion. I always felt like punching my screen because of him. Something tells me that he is going to be very annoying in Civ 6 too.

    I also bet he is going to be one of the "Terrible Starting Neighbors" Civs too. Scythia, Sumeria, and now Alexander. All those multiplayer guys cannot ban every new civ. At some point there will be enough strong civs to go around. I suspect when they finally bring Shaka Zulu back, he will join that group as well.

    At some point Firaxis is going to have to circle back and adjust a few civs like England, Egypt, Japan, etc. otherwise that will be alot of Civ 5 Indonesia's for a single Civ game that are not good enough for competitive play.
     
    Japper007 likes this.
  18. Manifold

    Manifold ModderProtectionAdvocate

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,580
    Alexander´s capital could be Babylon. The place is still empty;)

    And that is not enough for their weight and diversity as Civilization.

    It must be intentionally;) Alexander has from the begin of his rule and later campaign massive problems with the loyalty in his domain. He was very bloodthirsty and killed a lot of renegades.


    What I do not understand is the last sentence in video:

    "How will you lead Macedon in Sid Meier´s Civilization VI?"


    I guess, there is only one way for playing Alexander in Civ 6. As AI opponent is his play-style welcome. To play him by my self one game and the scenario will be enough.
     
  19. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    5,704
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    Alexander, Napoleon, Shaka, Attila, and Monty were all equally evil in Civ5; I hated starting near any of them. Alexander and Napoleon were raging expansionists who then got huffy if you tried expanding yourself; Shaka and Attila declared war for no apparent reason every few hundred years; and Monty was like Shaka and Attila only less so.

    Yeah, if you're playing as Alexander and not conquering everything that moves, you're doing it wrong...Not my style of civilization, that's for sure.
     
    nzcamel likes this.
  20. Tiger Genocide

    Tiger Genocide Warlord

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2016
    Messages:
    271
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree except, I can see him becoming a real nuisance like India is right now. If you don't remove him from the game it might end up being a mistake. You would have to cripple him pretty hard. I think anything less than taking his capital and his second city would not be good enough.
     

Share This Page