Flying Imams Part Deux: Now they're suing the PASSENGERS!

amadeus

Bishop of Bio-Dome
Joined
Aug 30, 2001
Messages
40,135
Location
Weasel City
This one, I didn't make up.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Six Muslim men removed from a plane last fall after being accused of suspicious behavior are suing not only the airline but the passengers who complained—a move some fear could discourage travelers from speaking up when they see something unusual.

The civil rights lawsuit, filed earlier this month, has so alarmed some lawyers that they are offering to defend the unnamed "John Doe" passengers free of charge. They say it is vital that the flying public be able to report suspicious behavior without fear of being dragged into court.

"When you drive up the road towards the airport, there's a big road sign that says, `Report suspicious behavior,'" said Gerry Nolting, a Minneapolis lawyer. "There's no disclaimer that adds, `But beware if you do that, you might get sued.'"

The six imams were taken off a Phoenix-bound US Airways flight on Nov. 20 while returning home from a conference of Islamic clerics in Minneapolis.

Other passengers had gotten nervous when the men were seen praying and chanting in Arabic as they waited to board. Some passengers also said that the men spoke of Saddam Hussein and cursed the United States; that they requested seat belt extenders with heavy buckles and stowed them under their seats; that they were moving about and conferring with each other during boarding; and that they sat separately in seats scattered through the cabin.

The plane was cleared for a security sweep, nothing was found, and the jet took off without the imams.

The Muslim clerics say they were humiliated, and are seeking unspecified damages from the airline, the Minneapolis airport and, potentially, the John Does.

Omar Mohammedi, the New York City attorney for the imams, said the intent is not to go after passengers who raise valid concerns about security. But he suggested some passengers may have acted in bad faith out of prejudice.

"As an attorney, I have seen a lot of abuse by the general public when it comes to members of the community creating stories that do not exist," Mohammedi said.

He denied the imams were talking about Saddam, and said that their seats were assigned and that they requested extenders because their seat belts didn't fit.

Some fear such lawsuits could weaken what has become the first line of defense against terrorism since Sept. 11—an alert public. At airports and train and subway stations around the country, travelers are routinely warned to watch for unattended bags and suspicious activity and to notify authorities.

Ellen Howe, spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, which oversees security at all U.S. airports, would not comment specifically on the imams' lawsuit. But she said the TSA counts on passengers to help the agency do its job.

"`See something, say something' is certainly a common mantra in this day and age," Howe said. "We would always remind passengers to be both vigilant and thoughtful."

In reaction to the imams' lawsuit, Congress has taken steps to legally protect passengers who report suspicious activity. Earlier this week, the House approved an amendment to a rail transportation security bill that would make passengers immune from such lawsuits, unless they say something they know is false.

Mohammedi said he has not yet identified any of the complaining passengers. An airport police report listed a passenger and two US Airways employees as complaining about the imams. All three had their names blacked out before the lawsuit was filed by invoking a Minnesota law that allows it, airport spokesman Pat Hogan said.

Nolting said he has been contacted by several potential John Does.

Passenger Pat Snelson, who lives in a Twin Cities suburb, said he and his wife were not among those who reported suspicious behavior. But he said his wife noticed the men praying, and he saw them moving around the cabin while others were boarding.

"These guys were up to no good," Snelson said. "We think the airport people did a real good job in taking care of it."

Bomb-sniffing dogs examined the men and their baggage. FBI agents and other federal law enforcement officers questioned the men for several hours before releasing them.

Billie Vincent, a former director of security for the Federal Aviation Administration, said he is troubled by the mere attempt to identify the passengers who raised concerns.

Airline passengers "are your eyes and your ears," said Vincent, who now owns an aviation security company. "If attorneys can get those names and sue them, you put a chilling effect on the whole system."
First, a little bragging; I told you guys that these imams were doing this just for the publicity, so that they could attempt to spark Moslem riots in the United States.

Second, what do you all think? I think this is incredibly disgusting, and these quasi-terrorists should be stripped of their citizenship and sent to Gitmo.
 
Second, what do you all think? I think this is incredibly disgusting, and these quasi-terrorists should be stripped of their citizenship and sent to Gitmo.
They are filing a lawsuit - is that an act of quasi-terrorism now? Stripping them of their citizenship and shipping them to Gitmo seems quasi-something.

Don't get me wrong, I think suing the passengers is going overboard - but they are using the legal system as opposed to avenging their treatment through violent criminal activity.
 
quasi-terrorists should be stripped of their citizenship and sent to Gitmo.

Slow down, ace. They did nothing illegal.

The passengers shouldn't be sued, thats ridiculous. But I am glad they are actively trying to integrate with US culture by participating in the national sport, filing lawsuits.
 
They should know better than to chant in Arabic on an airplane in the United States.
 
So just because you're in a plane you can't speak your own language?
 
So just because you're in a plane you can't speak your own language?

When did I say they weren't allowed to?

Just like you don't make pig jokes in front of police. Nothing says you can't, but it would be wise not to.
 
They are filing a lawsuit - is that an act of quasi-terrorism now? Stripping them of their citizenship and shipping them to Gitmo seems quasi-something.

Don't get me wrong, I think suing the passengers is going overboard - but they are using the legal system as opposed to avenging their treatment through violent criminal activity.

Well said.

All legal issues aside, it's kinda depressing that we are all so wound up as to kick people off of a plane.
 
Just like you don't make pig jokes in front of police. Nothing says you can't, but it would be wise not to.

No these situations are completely different. Arabic is a language, a mean of communication many take pride from and find their own. Pig joke is just a joke, and certain jokes shouldn't be told in a certain situations --- that's OK.

The people who spoke their own language loudly were not unwise, but those morons who disturbed by it, surely were unwise. I wouldn't start removing people because they speak their own language!
 
No these situations are completely different. Arabic is a language, a mean of communication many take pride from and find their own. Pig joke is just a joke, and certain jokes shouldn't be told in a certain situations --- that's OK.

The people who spoke their own language loudly were not unwise, but those morons who disturbed by it, surely were unwise. I wouldn't start removing people because they speak their own language!

They were chanting Arabic on an American Airline. Heaven forbid they speak English!
 
They are filing a lawsuit - is that an act of quasi-terrorism now? Stripping them of their citizenship and shipping them to Gitmo seems quasi-something.

Don't get me wrong, I think suing the passengers is going overboard - but they are using the legal system as opposed to avenging their treatment through violent criminal activity.
They're using the legal system to get attention and thus ferment a violent reaction from the fanatics. Their behavior was designed to intentionally have them removed from the plane, as to further create the image of a "discriminated" (pfft) group.
 
They were chanting Arabic on an American Airline. Heaven forbid they speak English!

Is it forbidden to speak Arabic, is it a crime to speak Arabic? For heavens sakes, there's no reason, nothing at all why they shouldn't speak Arabic. I think these people were correct to sue, because this is discrimination - this is very severe discrimination, I think. Unless, of course, they were speaking too loud to deliberately annoy people.

They're using the legal system to get attention and thus ferment a violent reaction from the fanatics.

Amen, brother. And the Jooz control the media!
 
Is it forbidden to speak Arabic, is it a crime to speak Arabic? For heavens sakes, there's no reason - nothing absolutely - why shouldn't they speak Arabic.

GOD DAMNIT I NEVER SAID IT WAS ILLEGAL TO SPEAK ARABIC ON AN AIRLINE!

It is not advisable to speak Arabic on an American airplane post-9/11.
 
They're using the legal system to get attention and thus ferment a violent reaction from the fanatics. Their behavior was designed to intentionally have them removed from the plane, as to further create the image of a "discriminated" (pfft) group.

Violent Fanatics? Where be they?:crazyeye:
 
They're using the legal system to get attention and thus ferment a violent reaction from the fanatics. Their behavior was designed to intentionally have them removed from the plane, as to further create the image of a "discriminated" (pfft) group.
Well, it certainly roused you to the point of wanting to throw out the basic foundations of our legal system (stripping a citizen of Constitutional rights for merely filing a lawsuit), but you haven't actually resorted to violent fanatacism yet, to my knowledge. Please update us when there are actual violent reactions from fanatics of any sort over this.
 
It is not advisable to speak Arabic on an American airplane post-9/11.

Yet there's no reason why they should not speak Arabic. I wouldn't stop speaking my language just because some weak, stupid, and paranoid people get all terrified.
 
Yet there's no reason why they should not speak Arabic. I wouldn't stop speaking my language just because some weak, stupid, and paranoid people get all terrified.

Except people get all tense when they see someone from middle-eastern descent singing in a different language on an airline. It is just plain stupid to do that in America. The point is they do get terrified, so to stop an incident from happening, just act normal and talk in English and they would have eventually gotten to where they wanted to go. Common sense.
 
Except people get all tense when they see someone from middle-eastern descent singing in a different language on an airline. It is just plain stupid to do that in America.

I wouldn't care, neither should the middle eastern people.

People should start thinking before restricting others behaviour for someone else's irrational and paranoid fears.

The point is they do get terrified

If they are terrified - they should leave or listen to Arabic. If they are too loud, ask the people to be quiet.

, so to stop an incident from happening,

...you shouldn't be bothered about Middle eastern people using their own language.

just act normal and

Agreed to an extent. But speaking louder is not forbidden - and as far as I know, neither is singing. If singing terrifies you - you need professional help.

talk in English

Again - you shouldn't refrain from using your own language just because some paranoid and stupid people cannot take it.

Common sense.

No it isn't. I see nothing decent in it. Of course, you shouldn't sing loudly in a airliner.
 
Just like if black men want to avoid getting picked up and searched, it is "advisable" that they not travel on foot in predominantly white neighborhoods. Because people "get tense."

Vomit smiley...
 
Also, women shouldn't walk alone at night, because men get all horny.
 
Back
Top Bottom