For the LAST time - Hitler was a Lefty!
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I think there is evidence Russia and Germany had common interests before the 1939-41 "alliance'. I seem to recall the German army and airforce did training in russia in the late 1920s and 30s. The Germans were not authorized an airforce and a lot of "glider pilots" were trained in aircraft at Russian facilities, and I think there was some tank trianing as well. These were not formal treaties (they were secret, as prohibited by the Versailles treaty.
I think there is evidence Russia and Germany had common interests before the 1939-41 "alliance'. I seem to recall the German army and airforce did training in russia in the late 1920s and 30s. The Germans were not authorized an airforce and a lot of "glider pilots" were trained in aircraft at Russian facilities, and I think there was some tank trianing as well. These were not formal treaties (they were secret, as prohibited by the Versailles treaty.
Indeed so, Gen Seekt and the Reichwher had many incident of co-operation with the UUSR, but not on the level of an alliance, notr were they at war with a common enemy.
Kentonio - excellent point and I thank you for making an honest post about the matter.
Furthermore, I would like to state clearly that Hitler was a dictator and is responsible for the deaths of millions of people. The man claimed to speak for white people, yet he killed more white people than anyone!
Quite frankly, the man is in bad taste.
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Furthermore, I would like to state clearly that Hitler was a dictator and is responsible for the deaths of millions of people. The man claimed to speak for white people, yet he killed more white people than anyone!
Quite frankly, the man is in bad taste.
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Richard III
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And the idea that you would even make a point of distinguishing between the deaths of white people and the deaths of just plain people is in even greater bad taste.
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Black or white racism has no place on CFC, Vote BNP.
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I disagree with the posts made by Richard III and Aphex Twin.
How is that racist? As I understood his post, he was making the point that Hitler and all those racist groups that support him are being big time hypocrites because Hitler killed millions of his OWN race of people, the same people they CLAIM to be fighing for.......
Why is it racist to state that fact?
How is that racist? As I understood his post, he was making the point that Hitler and all those racist groups that support him are being big time hypocrites because Hitler killed millions of his OWN race of people, the same people they CLAIM to be fighing for.......
Why is it racist to state that fact?
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I am not questioning moderator action, I am replying to the two posters that claimed BNP's post to be racist.
No where in my post did I mention "moderator" or that "he should be unbanned". I simply replied to accusations made by 2 posters.
No where in my post did I mention "moderator" or that "he should be unbanned". I simply replied to accusations made by 2 posters.
if you do not understand why a moderator has taken the action he has, I suggest that you PM him.
Richard III
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Mr. John "I think David Irving is an Expert" Wayne, if you don't understand why it's racist, then you should [color-blue]have a really nice day[/color].
The rhetoric in VoteWasted's** post is common amongst British, Canadian and American neo-nazis and skinheads as a way of rationalizing the conflict between a pro-British/nationalist position and a nazi one; in other words, "it was ok that we beat Hitler because he wasn't a good nazi because he killed so many white people. Pity he wasn't a better nazi."
The clear inference is that Hitler would not be a hyprocrite - and therefore, not such a bad guy - if he had stuck to killing blacks, jews, gypsies, etc. etc. etc....
** Final moniker awaiting ruling from Mods.
The rhetoric in VoteWasted's** post is common amongst British, Canadian and American neo-nazis and skinheads as a way of rationalizing the conflict between a pro-British/nationalist position and a nazi one; in other words, "it was ok that we beat Hitler because he wasn't a good nazi because he killed so many white people. Pity he wasn't a better nazi."
The clear inference is that Hitler would not be a hyprocrite - and therefore, not such a bad guy - if he had stuck to killing blacks, jews, gypsies, etc. etc. etc....
** Final moniker awaiting ruling from Mods.
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Without challenging mod powers, but Vote BNP is only a newbie. Maybe a gentle warning instead of a ban?
Richard III
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Maybe a gentle ban instead of a warning. It's not that he broke the forum rules, it's that he broke basic rules of human conduct. Let him rot in bandom for awhile and read some Indian history.
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Richard III - thats YOUR interpretation! Simply stating the fact that Hitler is a hypocrite for killing millions of white people is not racist. Hitler did not pretend to be a hero to non-whites, he ONLY claimed to be a hero of western people. As do the racist neo nazi groups that support Hitler. Therefore, it would not make sense to accuse those people because that would not make Hitler and the neo nazi groups hypocrites.
Perhaps you should have a really nice day
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This is why we get such a hard time in reference to your thread in in SF. Instead of posting invective which makes us look as if we have nothing constructive to say, overwhelm him with evidence. Attack is the sort of response that some people crave. Then they can say that we must be right because the Left can only insult us. Woudn't you agree?
Richard III
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You are only reinforcing my point.
But to help you dig yourself even deeper, I'll ask you and VoteWasted this question:
Hitler was a mass-murderer who led his country to exterminate 6 million Jews, a million-odd other people, and initiated a global war that killed tens of millions. German forces and their allies killed soldiers and civilians alike from dozens of countries before it was all over. Their war aims were to eliminate the influence of Jews from the world, and to conquer living space for Germans, regardless of who was in the way. When Hitler's armies were on their last legs, his orders were to burn Germany to ashes, because if his country couldn't live with him, he wasn't going to let it live without him.
Why the sudden concern about whether he was a hypocrite?
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Peri, the "invective" in this case serves a purpose.
1. "VoteWasted" - since most people in the world don't know what the BNP stands for, this is my interpretation. Saying so means that my interpretation gets equal time with the constant repetition of the partisan message in his name. If you'd prefer, how about "VoteAgainstNonWhitesInBritain?" Actually, I think I WILL use that from now on, it's much fairer.**
2. The David Irving bit needs repeating, so people realize that the source for much of our learned friend's views is drawn from a Holocaust denier who he openly quoted in this Forum. I'd rather take any chance I can to remind people of this quote than not. Hardly invective.
3. Did you have a problem with anything else?
** This issue is currently being considered by Mods; I will edit accordingly once I've got a reply to a query. In the interim, "VoteWasted" will suffice.
1. "VoteWasted" - since most people in the world don't know what the BNP stands for, this is my interpretation. Saying so means that my interpretation gets equal time with the constant repetition of the partisan message in his name. If you'd prefer, how about "VoteAgainstNonWhitesInBritain?" Actually, I think I WILL use that from now on, it's much fairer.**
2. The David Irving bit needs repeating, so people realize that the source for much of our learned friend's views is drawn from a Holocaust denier who he openly quoted in this Forum. I'd rather take any chance I can to remind people of this quote than not. Hardly invective.
3. Did you have a problem with anything else?
** This issue is currently being considered by Mods; I will edit accordingly once I've got a reply to a query. In the interim, "VoteWasted" will suffice.
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The point is that by differentiating between races when discussing death is in bad taste. The inference is that one type of death is less awful than the other. That distinction qualifies the comment as racist.
You seem to contradict yourself here. You incorrectly equate western people with white people. I am sure you are aware that people who live in the West are ethnically diverse. Also Hitler made no such claim to be their hero. This smacks of hijacking the nazi agenda to advance your own American centric political beliefs. Do not be deluded. Hitler believed that only pure blood Aryans were worth saving. So might I suggest that if you dont qualify (according to the Racial purity Laws) you offer heartfelt thanks that this nonsense ended nearly 60years ago.
BTW you win nothing for insulting people.
R.III Of couse I agree with your point of view.
Gone off course and foundered on the rocks, but not entirely unxepected from the quality of evidence and dicssuion with which the premise was preseneted.
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