Foreign Affairs: Nobody knows nothings

[Nobody]

It would not be joint, but you would have to look into military matters (keep track of the enemys to make sure no sneak attacks ect) and the Don Provolone and the FAmily have a working relationship.

Read the above post up 12 posts, and copy the oath. The picture failed, so just burning something personal, or pretend to.

 

[Nobody]

The Peace has been given the OK by the people, now its time to take the offer the zulus.

 

[classical_hero]

after all we are not Communists

Why are you so against Communism? Could it be that once we get police station, that it would be harder for you and your "legitimate" business group to run you "legitimate" operations?

 

[blackheart]

Don of FAmilia Nobody,

France has a frigate mildly deep in our territorial waters and another one is on the border. America has a spearmen in our colony city of TBD and China has a rider on the border. Will la FAmilia do anything about them?

 

[Nobody]

Why are you so against Communism? Could it be that once we get police station, that it would be harder for you and your "legitimate" business group to run you "legitimate" operations?

LoL thats what the Don Barzini says at the end of his speach. The FAmily has no offical posistion on comunism, except that this is not conquests and its a crap
goverment.

France has a frigate mildly deep in our territorial waters and another one is on the border. America has a spearmen in our colony city of TBD and China has a rider on the border. Will la FAmilia do anything about them?

There is instructions on how to deal them them. (they are very similar to civgenerals)

 

[classical_hero]

I need your input regarding what you are going to do with the Russian in this thread. Your thoughts on the matter will be greatly appreicated by the merchant community.

Regards, Classical_Hero, Trade Minister.

 

[Provolution]

Honorable Minister Nobody and Deputy Zoi

Please look heavily into the new alliance structure forming.
Mutual Protection Pacts will drive policies for Term V, like it or not, no further need for delay, procrastination, Chamberlainism and misguided naive recognition of the fifth columnist advise from the "China-Friend" Camp.

Alliances

Russia got two bilateral military mutual protection pacts
Russa-Aztec (Vodka-Jaguar Pact) primarily target to dam in Chinese
Russia America (Heidelburg Defense Treaty) primarily target to protect joint Russian and American Enclaves within "China-Friendly" Region.

I got criticism for Xenophobia to China, but now three major nations has formed alliances obviously focussed on defending against China. Can three innocent sovereign nations be wrong against a nation known to have exterminated the morally and ethical human rights activists the Germans, proponents of honor, ethics, friendliness and nurturers of harmony, love and blissfull coexistence (put in Ashburnham-speak for ease of recognition by "China-Friends").

Finally, it is high time to make security guarantees to nations on our own continent, which could be Rome, Iroq, Babylon and Zulus, maybe the French.

If you want to, you can always pursue a dialogue with China, most certainly approved by the 20 % or so "China-Friends" of our nation.

Final point is, get your finger out NOW, and no more delay

Please also call for that base south of Salzburg.

Respectfully yours
Chief of Staff

 

[Ashburnham]

I, too, think we should pursue an alliance with the Russians. They are clearly the biggest proponents of peace and cooperation on Atarashika, and it would be a shame if Japanatica stood to the side while another power took the role of uniter and moderater of the world. Or, to put it in Provo-speak "Teh aRmy iz teh c00lest!!!".

 

[Provolution]

LOL@Ashburnham

Please allow me to emulate myself for self-irony in "Provo-speak"

Paragraph in Provo-speak saying what Ashburnham said:

" MSAV is poised to commit to a solid security foundation with our next logical diplomatic move, the Japanatican leadership of the Continental Alliance in Atarashika, securing our bonds with the Russians, our closest potential allies hosting our insular and isolated Coal City. The Russians are clearly the premier initiative-takers for Atarashikan and Global security, and it would be a sympthom of psychological and cognitive inferiority, especially after having invented Darwinism recently, that Japanatica allow itself to be a bystander in global affairs, and not take an active role of vision and leadership in containing evildoers. Or, to put it in Ash-tongue "Giiiiive piiiiiz a chance pliiiiz "."

 

[classical_hero]

What are we going to do about the Russian Invading our territory? Are we going to join in alliance, or would it be better to be with the Chinese?

 

[Furiey]

What are we going to do about the Russian Invading our territory? Are we going to join in alliance, or would it be better to be with the Chinese?

I was just going to ask the same thing having seen this in the save:

We could try with an MPP with the Russians, but like the Zulu I feel they're going to attack anyway. If they attack we lose Coal City. A MPP with the Chinese would allow them to take it before we get troops there ourselves.

 

[Provolution]

Furiey is right, and there is no chance we can cash rush any units there.
We probably will lose coal city in 1-2 turns. An attack on Russia would mean war with Aztecs and America as well, and we are about to consider disbanding our Veteran Samurais I had considered to be our overseas Cavalry Expedition Corps.
With 20 or so units next by, I can assure you we need need that Corps.
Failed and confused foreign policy over centuries of isolationism, has given Japanatica no true friends, only hollow talk of friendship.

We face ten options

Evacuate Coal City and give it to Russia, add that to an MPP, ROP, later China War
Evacuate Coal City and give it to France, Russia MPP, later French War
Evacuate Coal city and give it to China, Russia MPP, later Chinese war
Evacuate Coal City and give it to America, Russia MPP, later Chinese War
Evacuate Coal City and give it to Aztecs, Russia MPP, later Chinese War
Evacuate Coal City and give it to Babylon, Russia MPP, later Babel War
Evacuate Coal City, and give it to Zulu, Russia MPP, later new Zulu War
Evacuate Coal city open for better defense in Jungle, sacrifice City (IC Mission)
Raze City and evacuate North or to the Sea (Imperial Commando Mission)
Defend Coal City, lose it then forget it, make peace

FA failed once again, if you did your homework last term, you would ask trade to sell coal to Russia, which was the reason this city was settled.
We will never get diplomatic victory with a passive FA policy.

MSAV Recommendation is to surrender city (since the people opposed the overseas base plan, the city has no chance of surviving, and with no city wall
rushes or additional defenses, the city is doomed. The worst part is the outstanding debt the Russians owe us, a staggering 3200 Gold. Compare this to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1991 to zero out national debt.)

So save the enormous 3200 trade deal, surrender the city to Russia to restore relations and give them back their coal, ask for MPP and ROP and evacuate. For the future, I recommend mountain fortresses built with MPP/ROP partners, later add in airports. 3200 gold is more worth than Coal city, the entire Military upgrade of Japanatica.

The alternate option, is to MPP all nations in Atarashika, and forfeit the Russian trade deal. MSAV is then willing to drive in the Debt of 3200 Gold for the Nation, and make a compensation assessment for what we seek to achieve. Sending out the expedition alone would cost us 30 Gold per turn for upkeeps, estimated 20 turns (600 gold), 200 Gold for extra upgrades, remuneration for military losses, 2000 gold worth for the trouble of going into war, plus the lost trade deal itself. 2800 + 3200 equals 6000 Gold of repairs.
MSAV estimates Coal City to be worth an additional 2000 Gold, if that is lost.
Doctrinally, MSAV consider Punjab and Sverdlovsk as cities worth taking for compensation.

 

[classical_hero]

I was just going to ask the same thing having seen this in the save:

We could try with an MPP with the Russians, but like the Zulu I feel they're going to attack anyway. If they attack we lose Coal City. A MPP with the Chinese would allow them to take it before we get troops there ourselves.

i had a simlar thought about this situation.

@ Provolution, Are you part of the FAmily, or are you the Minister of Defence, later renamed MSAV? You seem to be doing the Job of two ministers here.
Edit. Actually you could say it was trades fault but i thought that the money e would have got from a trade was too low for such a valuable commodity. At the time we would have got only a WM, 110 g and 18gpt for coal. Not enough to make it significant enough to trade it to Russia. Just look in the first discussion thread and you'll see it.

I could say that this situation is bad planning by MSAV because they should have seen that this city would be very valuable to the Russians and that they would try to take it. Why isn't there any barracks or walls there already, and the unit in there uprdaged to an Infantry. We have the money to rush all those things and more, because of my good work in getting lots of money from the Russians.

 

[Provolution]

Being MSAV does not exclude me to air my views on security related situations, so no need to police me here, as usual. I am saying the city is indefensible, and that only a major diplomatic strategy beyond words, backed with action, may save the day. I just provide my ideas. As citizen if you prefer that hat.

 

[classical_hero]

Being MSAV does not exclude me to air my views on security related situations, so no need to police me here, as usual. I am saying the city is indefensible, and that only a major diplomatic strategy beyond words, backed with action, may save the day. I just provide my ideas. As citizen if you prefer that hat.

Who said i was policing you? Not me. I was just making an observation.

EDIT. I must admit that we have been way to isolationistic in this game and that has hurt us. That is why here at Trade, we are trying to make a difference.

EDIT2. Lets hear what he has to say once he is awake, because it is about 2:45am where he is.

 

[Provolution]

Edit. Actually you could say it was trades fault but i thought that the money e would have got from a trade was too low for such a valuable commodity. At the time we would have got only a WM, 110 g and 18gpt for coal. Not enough to make it significant enough to trade it to Russia. Just look in the first discussion thread and you'll see it.

In situations like this, it is trades and FAs responsibility to maintain good relations. MSAV has asked for overseas bases since day one in Atarashika, and Culture and the China friends won the battle for this city, and there was no governor to look for the city's defenses. Since the city was founded 1385, and has existed for less than a hundred years, 90 years, MSAV was at the mercy of Fa, TA, Culture and the China Friends, besides, we fought a Zulu War 1400-1425, with inferior troops. MSAV has also been fighting hard for base funding against the peaceniks, some of them voted for no upgrades and the others for 1000-2000 class upgrades. The utter disregard for MSAV represented here, and a totally failed FA/TA policy in Atarashika, not calling for any deterring alliance of any kind, denying Russia their rightful industrialization with coal and so on. Tugela was successfully handled due to doctrine, but FA/TA/CA claimed full ownership over policies in Atarashika, denying MSAV to set up bases and locating an overseas Corps, which the people rejected in dscussions and polls. It is crystal clear where the error stands, the peaceniks thought they could win Atarashika with peaceful means and no overseas presence.

I could say that this situation is bad planning by MSAV because they should have seen that this city would be very valuable to the Russians and that they would try to take it. Why isn't there any barracks or walls there already, and the unit in there uprdaged to an Infantry. We have the money to rush all those things and more, because of my good work in getting lots of money from the Russians.

A barracks and city walls would only have increased the losses. I had no Rop or MPP treaty to enable access in there, and no means to produce what I needed, and the governor of the city neglected it utterly. If I can barely handle military finances in our own continent, how would I get funding to overseas military troops the peaceniks did not want. China-friends and capitalist interests dominate Atarashikan foreign policy, and this is the end result, with no security umbrella to shelter our interests.

 

[classical_hero]

We could have rushed a few troops there also to make it safer. But that is hindsight so it is best to figure ways of righting this situation.

 

[Provolution]

The City would have fallen anyways, even if we had 3-4 more troops, especially as we just got infantry, and was still negotiating upgrades, within, which we barely got due to the TOE slingshot towards infantry. But I admit, I failed in believing blindly in that FA/TA/CA and the peaceniks would handle this, as well as the non.existant Governor and Domestic. So, in the end, we could have lost even more than we stand to lose. And no one would predict you called for a 3200 gold deal in the very last minuste from Russia, you got in the recent turnchat at a point I was not present. If you allowed me to develop doctrines for Atarashika, this would have been handled as smoothly as Tugela.

 

[classical_hero]

Unfortunately the people have been proven wrong. The Post Mortem of this will show that either we should not have gone to the Continent, or that when we make suh decision, we must carry them out fully. I think it is time for MSAV to figure out a way to get back that city and maybe even some more for punishment to the Russians. I would also like for us to try and get as Friendly with the Russians because they we such great customers.

 

[Provolution]

I agree Minister Classical Hero, it is a bitter lesson, but as a Superpower we cannot allow ourself to turn the other cheek and walk away in disgrace with no international respect.
I will therefore, upon your recommendation, make an operational plan on how to win the war within two turnchats. Remember, we face more modern troops this time, with Cossacks and Riflemen, as well as cannons.

MSAV will now, upon the commission of Trade Minister Classical Hero develop a military strategy on securing our military interests.