GenMarshall
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GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
IIRC, the majority of Game Threads originated in OT (Mafia games, word association, etc)
Though the DYOS is in the Forum Games yet Drawing a Little is in OT. Yet both threads do involve much more than spam.
By definition, yes.
It's not really about whether or not some games are serious and some games are not (and, BTW, I have to disagree with Padma, and would argue that such games are more beneficial to the site that a lot of other things, due to the players they draw in from other forums (or more to the point, from another forum), and as such can hardly constitute spam. Amongst other arguments.). It's about players of those games getting their PM privileges, which, by current rules, requires them to have a post count of 5.
Now if the forum is split (which I am in favour of), then the spammish elements of those games which would gain post count may be curtailed, and it's impossible to deny that there is a fair bit of spam in such games, even if the games themselves and the majority of posts within those games do not constitute spam. I would personally much rather have the privilege of being allowed to have spam in those games, than be forced to do away with those spam posts for the sake of post count. Because we can't really have those spam posts and post count at the same time. So I think that's an issue to consider; would we still be allowed to have spam posts within the game threads (although the games themselves and those posts contributing to the games are not spam) if post count was allowed? I think not.
However, that stills leaves the two main initial problems of PM privileges for players with low post count, and the lack of differentiation between pure spam games and games that require much more effort, thought, community-building and actual discussion.
The first of these problems can be partially solved by a forum split, although not entirely, because players would still need to wait until they have accumulated 5 posts within the game, and have been registered for 5 days, before they could received PMs. But a forum split would partially solve this problem. There are other solutions, though. Change the new rule on PM privileges, give Methos the specific admin privilege of allowing PMs, so that the other admins don't have to venture into the cesspool of spam that Forum Games apparently is in order to find those who have posted in the Lost PMs thread, and activate their PM privileges, or allow new posters to post five actual spam posts in forums that do have post count on (although this would go against the current rules of no spam).
With any of the aforementioned possible solutions other than splitting the forum, however, the second of these problems still remains. So, if you want to kill two birds with one stone, or actually solve both perceived problems (and I would be quite interested to hear the opinion of other moderators and admins on whether or not the types of games in question constitute spam; not because I want to disregard Padma's opinion, but because I want to know if it is merely an opinion, or if it represents the thoughts of the staff and site as a whole), then the obvious solution is to split the forum. It solves both issues, not just one of them.
Honestly, I don't know how to reconcile allowing post count with still allowing that moderate level of spam within non-spam games, but surely that's not too much of an issue.
Now if the forum is split (which I am in favour of), then the spammish elements of those games which would gain post count may be curtailed, and it's impossible to deny that there is a fair bit of spam in such games, even if the games themselves and the majority of posts within those games do not constitute spam. I would personally much rather have the privilege of being allowed to have spam in those games, than be forced to do away with those spam posts for the sake of post count. Because we can't really have those spam posts and post count at the same time. So I think that's an issue to consider; would we still be allowed to have spam posts within the game threads (although the games themselves and those posts contributing to the games are not spam) if post count was allowed? I think not.
However, that stills leaves the two main initial problems of PM privileges for players with low post count, and the lack of differentiation between pure spam games and games that require much more effort, thought, community-building and actual discussion.
The first of these problems can be partially solved by a forum split, although not entirely, because players would still need to wait until they have accumulated 5 posts within the game, and have been registered for 5 days, before they could received PMs. But a forum split would partially solve this problem. There are other solutions, though. Change the new rule on PM privileges, give Methos the specific admin privilege of allowing PMs, so that the other admins don't have to venture into the cesspool of spam that Forum Games apparently is in order to find those who have posted in the Lost PMs thread, and activate their PM privileges, or allow new posters to post five actual spam posts in forums that do have post count on (although this would go against the current rules of no spam).
With any of the aforementioned possible solutions other than splitting the forum, however, the second of these problems still remains. So, if you want to kill two birds with one stone, or actually solve both perceived problems (and I would be quite interested to hear the opinion of other moderators and admins on whether or not the types of games in question constitute spam; not because I want to disregard Padma's opinion, but because I want to know if it is merely an opinion, or if it represents the thoughts of the staff and site as a whole), then the obvious solution is to split the forum. It solves both issues, not just one of them.
Honestly, I don't know how to reconcile allowing post count with still allowing that moderate level of spam within non-spam games, but surely that's not too much of an issue.
Abaddon
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In NESing, the WWW thread is very handy.. so within the threads are kept pretty clean.
You become quite self regulatory ive found.
It is merely a few clicks to split the forum..I consider it a "why not?" They can always merge it back if it fails
You become quite self regulatory ive found.
It is merely a few clicks to split the forum..I consider it a "why not?" They can always merge it back if it fails
So the entire Colosseum and Other Games forums, not to mention Site Feedback, which is to do with the site and not Civ, is spam? Isn't that taking a rather narrow and impractical definition of spam?
azzaman333
meh
So when I hypothetically report every single post outside of the civ sections for spam, I would be helping the moderators rather than annoying them?
And if so, why is the only one of the spam sections that doesn't get postcount Forum Games? Is our spam somehow worse than the spam in Other Games, Humor and Jokes, or Off-Topic?
azzaman333
meh
Yes, it is worse.
At the very least, could you at least address our concerns? You are almost completely ignoring us, and the little you have said has been something like "You are a wretched hive of spam and villiany," and we're getting kind of frustrated by this attitude.
I don't see the point in splitting forum games up, and I have no desire to see postcount enabled for NotW and mafia games. Furthermore, while I disagree with the notion that everything in forum games is necessarily spam, so long as we're allowed to keep running the games without undue interference, I'm quite happy for the powers that be to think what they want about them.
Does thinking like this make me weird? Or is it just weird that I could be bothered to post it?
Does thinking like this make me weird? Or is it just weird that I could be bothered to post it?
No, that's fair enough. This isn't about postcount, though, so much as making NOTW's and spammy forum games clearly separated, and solving the PM problem (BTW, there is a particular person who has been registered for over 5 days, and has over 5 posts, but still cannot receive PMs from me; why is this?). One of the major, major problems with a forum split with postcount enabled would be interference in the games. I'm sure under such circumstances that my game would've been locked long ago. So what about a forum split without postcount enabled? And then what is a solution to the PM problem?
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
You cant forget about the DYOS threads, there more work placed into them and has as much reason to be along with the NotW as "Drawing a little..." thread in OT.
Abaddon
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DYOS was in OT until it was ruined.
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I'm subscribed to the thread, so I get an e-mail when someone posts there. Sorting those out is a tiny fraction of my required workload.
azzaman333
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That is an accurate assessment of the Forum Games subforum.
Abaddon
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It would take less clicks to solve the problem permanently..
Or, crazy thought here, I know, but bear with me....we can just let ainwood decide what works best for him and let him go with it. Obviously the admins have reasons to do it they way they're doing it, and feel it's best to keep it that way. Or maybe they just haven't seen a good enough reason to do it this way. In either event, until they tell us what's going on, we'll just have to accept it for what it is.
Or, you know, I can be a trained monkey and bring out my old standby response to "Give us this, or else!"
Or, you know, I can be a trained monkey and bring out my old standby response to "Give us this, or else!"
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