Colonel Kraken
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Why do we need all 4 religions in all 9 cities? I'm just asking as a game mechanics question. What does that mean for a culture win?
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ruff_hi
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We don't NEED 4 religions. However, the synagog (different for each religion) gives +50% culture. If we have 3 religious buildings of this type per cultural city, that is +150%. If we have 4, that is +200%. In our cities, we currently have 4 religions and we have the ability to spread all 4 around to each city so that we can construct these special buildings. If someone spreads a fifth religion to us, I thing we should try to get that religion's special +50 culture building too.
For each synagog, you need 3 temples. Thus for 3 synagogs (one in each cultural city) you need 9 temples - hence 9 cities.
Edit: I also found that if we do change to Islam, then we can only 'see' the foreign cities that have Islam although we continue to get the $ from the Jewish cities.
For each synagog, you need 3 temples. Thus for 3 synagogs (one in each cultural city) you need 9 temples - hence 9 cities.
Edit: I also found that if we do change to Islam, then we can only 'see' the foreign cities that have Islam although we continue to get the $ from the Jewish cities.
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Turn 260 (1750 AD)
CopperTown finishes: Jewish Missionary
Lyons finishes: Jewish Temple
Turn 261 (1755 AD)
CopperTown begins: Islamic Missionary
Lyons begins: Islamic Temple
Tech learned: Chemistry
Tech learned: Corporation
Uzbek finishes: Hindu Temple
Chemstry form Peter for Constitution and Gold
I Joined 3 entertainers as specialists to CC3
Turn 262 (1760 AD)
Research begun: Democracy
Uzbek begins: Grenadier
Turn 263 (1765 AD)
Research begun: Steel
CopperTown finishes: Islamic Missionary
I realized that democracy doesn't do much for us. Heading to steel and cannons.
Turn 264 (1770 AD)
CopperTown begins: Islamic Missionary
Estruscan finishes: Islamic Temple
Turn 265 (1775 AD)
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Monastery
Judaism has spread: Elephantine (Egyptian Empire)
Islam has spread: Culture City 3
CopperTown finishes: Islamic Missionary
Saladin wanted 190 gold - no
I'm going so spend some gold to stop people asking for it - research @ 90%
Turn 266 (1780 AD)
CopperTown begins: Bank
Tartar finishes: Bank
Estruscan grows: 10
Orleans finishes: Hindu Temple
Turn 267 (1785 AD)
Tartar begins: Hindu Missionary
Orleans begins: Grenadier
Culture City 2 finishes: Hindu Mandir
Estruscan finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Uzbek finishes: Grenadier
Turn 268 (1790 AD)
Culture City 2 begins: Jewish Synagogue
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Missionary
Uzbek begins: Crossbowman
Turn 269 (1795 AD)
Tartar begins: Hindu Missionary
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Missionary
Buddhism has spread: CopperTown
Culture City 3 finishes: Jewish Synagogue
Estruscan finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Lyons grows: 7
Turn 270 (1800 AD)
Culture City 3 begins: Islamic Temple
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Temple
I've spread more of our religions around. I think we should research until steel, start building cannons and then turn our culture up to 90% and go for the cultural victory. However, have a look at the next few techs and see if we can get a better defensive unit.
CopperTown finishes: Jewish Missionary
Lyons finishes: Jewish Temple
Turn 261 (1755 AD)
CopperTown begins: Islamic Missionary
Lyons begins: Islamic Temple
Tech learned: Chemistry
Tech learned: Corporation
Uzbek finishes: Hindu Temple
Chemstry form Peter for Constitution and Gold
I Joined 3 entertainers as specialists to CC3
Turn 262 (1760 AD)
Research begun: Democracy
Uzbek begins: Grenadier
Turn 263 (1765 AD)
Research begun: Steel
CopperTown finishes: Islamic Missionary
I realized that democracy doesn't do much for us. Heading to steel and cannons.
Turn 264 (1770 AD)
CopperTown begins: Islamic Missionary
Estruscan finishes: Islamic Temple
Turn 265 (1775 AD)
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Monastery
Judaism has spread: Elephantine (Egyptian Empire)
Islam has spread: Culture City 3
CopperTown finishes: Islamic Missionary
Saladin wanted 190 gold - no
I'm going so spend some gold to stop people asking for it - research @ 90%
Turn 266 (1780 AD)
CopperTown begins: Bank
Tartar finishes: Bank
Estruscan grows: 10
Orleans finishes: Hindu Temple
Turn 267 (1785 AD)
Tartar begins: Hindu Missionary
Orleans begins: Grenadier
Culture City 2 finishes: Hindu Mandir
Estruscan finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Uzbek finishes: Grenadier
Turn 268 (1790 AD)
Culture City 2 begins: Jewish Synagogue
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Missionary
Uzbek begins: Crossbowman
Turn 269 (1795 AD)
Tartar begins: Hindu Missionary
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Missionary
Buddhism has spread: CopperTown
Culture City 3 finishes: Jewish Synagogue
Estruscan finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Lyons grows: 7
Turn 270 (1800 AD)
Culture City 3 begins: Islamic Temple
Estruscan begins: Buddhist Temple
I've spread more of our religions around. I think we should research until steel, start building cannons and then turn our culture up to 90% and go for the cultural victory. However, have a look at the next few techs and see if we can get a better defensive unit.
GreyFox
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Got it.
Canons hardly qualifies as defensive unit though ... I say with chemistry in, our best defending unit would be Grenadier. The next better unit would be Infantry ... but that is pretty far away, we can't afford to go for it.
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Canons hardly qualifies as defensive unit though ... I say with chemistry in, our best defending unit would be Grenadier. The next better unit would be Infantry ... but that is pretty far away, we can't afford to go for it.
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ruff_hi
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I was more thinking about cannons as a way to take down great stacks of units. Should we invite others to join to spread the load?
GreyFox
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Up to the captain ... (opps, sorry, its Colonel, Sir! 
). It might be too late though ... I wonder if a 1800AD-bottom-in-power-going-for-cultural-win SG would attract much crowd 
Anyway, I am playing tonight (my night, around 9hrs away). and then its colonel's turn again if he has free time. Else, Colonel, let me know, and perhaps I'll play 20 turns instead of 10 tonight
And sure, we need a couple of cannons just in case someone do bring in a SoD. I am just saying we need more Grenadiers than Cannons.
). It might be too late though ... I wonder if a 1800AD-bottom-in-power-going-for-cultural-win SG would attract much crowd Anyway, I am playing tonight (my night, around 9hrs away). and then its colonel's turn again if he has free time. Else, Colonel, let me know, and perhaps I'll play 20 turns instead of 10 tonight
And sure, we need a couple of cannons just in case someone do bring in a SoD. I am just saying we need more Grenadiers than Cannons.
GreyFox
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A relatively not-so-quiet set of turns:
From the Religion Affairs Ministry
One buddhist missionary failed at CC2.
But successfully converted all french cities to Hinduism.
Our religious status at 1820AD.
Notice that we have Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism in all 9 french cities.
Suggest revolting to Islam as state religion to further boost CC2's culture.
Suggest also to spread Buddhism now.
Also, over-built one Hindu Missionary (in anticipation of failed mission which never occur), consider gifting to Hatty to improve relationship.
Also can serve as scout.
From the Foriegn Affairs Ministry
1802AD: Traded Liberalism + 300gold for Replaceable Parts with Cyrus.
We can build lumbermills now!
Hatty also declared war on poor toku.
1810AD: Traded Steel for Rifling + 60 gold with Hatty
Also, Saladin comes demanding we cancel deals with Cyrus.
Since Cyrus is higher in score, rejected Saladin.
Watch out for Saladin though, he is annoyed with us.
Hatty and Toku did ask us for help, rejected both.
JC demands incense. Give it to him to please him.
From the Culture Ministry
We are running 90% culture.
Here is our culture status:
Our demographs:
For those who preferred autolog:
The save (colonel or Ruff):
From the Religion Affairs Ministry
One buddhist missionary failed at CC2.
But successfully converted all french cities to Hinduism.
Our religious status at 1820AD.
Notice that we have Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism in all 9 french cities.
Suggest revolting to Islam as state religion to further boost CC2's culture.
Suggest also to spread Buddhism now.
Also, over-built one Hindu Missionary (in anticipation of failed mission which never occur), consider gifting to Hatty to improve relationship.
Also can serve as scout.
From the Foriegn Affairs Ministry
1802AD: Traded Liberalism + 300gold for Replaceable Parts with Cyrus.
We can build lumbermills now!
Hatty also declared war on poor toku.
1810AD: Traded Steel for Rifling + 60 gold with Hatty
Also, Saladin comes demanding we cancel deals with Cyrus.
Since Cyrus is higher in score, rejected Saladin.
Watch out for Saladin though, he is annoyed with us.
Hatty and Toku did ask us for help, rejected both.
JC demands incense. Give it to him to please him.
From the Culture Ministry
We are running 90% culture.
Here is our culture status:
Our demographs:
For those who preferred autolog:
Spoiler :
The save (colonel or Ruff):
GreyFox
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Assuming no change in cultural production, it will take our slowest city (CC3) 148 turns to reach 50000. A tad too long, let's try to shave it down to <100 turns. Should be able to, with Buddhist Stupp. coming up in CC3. We cann also start producing culture in poorest city (CC3), might help a bit.
Also, suggest changing state religion to Islam.
As for spreading of buddhism to all cities, may not need it, since our poorest CC3 is already buidling the Buddhist Stupp.
So who's UP? Ruff or Colonel?
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Also, suggest changing state religion to Islam.
As for spreading of buddhism to all cities, may not need it, since our poorest CC3 is already buidling the Buddhist Stupp.
So who's UP? Ruff or Colonel?
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ruff_hi
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The Colonel!
ruff_hi
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I have it - playing 20
ruff_hi
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I turned the research back up to get railroads and infantry. This should enable us to build suitable defenses and move them around. All our cities have the 4 religions ...
... and all of our cities have 4 temples. The three culture cities are building the religious multiplier buildings and they are pumping out culture (see above). From here, it is just a matter of pressing ENTER and waiting. I put the artists in the CCs and we also got a GP Prophet - created the Islam $ building.
... and all of our cities have 4 temples. The three culture cities are building the religious multiplier buildings and they are pumping out culture (see above). From here, it is just a matter of pressing ENTER and waiting. I put the artists in the CCs and we also got a GP Prophet - created the Islam $ building.
GreyFox
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Good job, ruff!!! Really amazing work, I left you with each city pumping <300, you return it with each city pumping 500? 
So is this becoming a 2 man tag-team?
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So is this becoming a 2 man tag-team?
Hmmm ... err, in between pressing ENTER and waiting, ... ahem, may I dp something else, ... errr, like, perhaps, go to, ahem, ... war? Pleaseeeeee?ruff_hi said:
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ruff_hi
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sure - just find someone else to join you and pick on someone weak and someone that already hates us! But do it soon, before they get too far in front tech wise.
GreyFox
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I have not looked at the save (in non-bill os now) ... You mean Toku is gone? Wiped out by Alex and Hatty? 
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ruff_hi
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no, tommy is still there. On second thought, you might want to keep all of our units for the battle at the end. Cultural victories mean that you dial up the culture and down the tech research so others start getting in front tech-wise. I expect that we will be attacked as we near our victory condition - prob by America - they don't like us and are the leader in score.
GreyFox
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no war for me ... 
I want war, I want war .... Just kidding
I am glad enough that we are inching towards our aim -- cultural victory
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Let's do some mathematics, shall we?
CC1: (50000 - 27657) / 564 = 40 turns
CC2: (50000 - 25575) / 676 = 36 turns
CC3: (50000 - 27863) / 655 = 34 turns
So, we will reach our victory in 40 turns. However, a few things will affect the 40 turns estimate:
(1) Great Artists
I have saved one GA. Calculated that a cultural bomb would serve us better than the measly 12+200% specialists.
I estimate we should pop another GP within the next 8 turns in CC2:
Next player might want to add another artist (at the expense of starving) to steer the odds more favorably towards popping a GA.
Assuming we have 2 GAs in the next 30 turns, we can shave off 7 turns from CC1, and 5~6 turns from CC2, making our victory at 33 turns later.
(2) Economy
We can't susbtain 1000% culture any much longer. we are losing 20 golds with 166 in coffers, meaning we would be forced to reduce culture slider to 90%. This will add the turns count to CC1,2,3 by 10% (i.e. 4 more turns).
To that end, I have started building banks in some cities (at the expense of military, of-course, a risk I'm willing to take). Hopefully that will counter the nagative gold flow in 8 turns.
Next player can also trade away Industrialism for some gold. Hatty has it now, so soon everyone would have it.
(3) War
I have beefed up the defense in all our cities a little. In the next 40 turns, we have to hope that no one would war with us. Keep our monopoly of AssemLines at all costs!!
A look at our score rating being overtaken by the AIs ...
But they will realize in 40 more turns why their current apparent lead is superficious ...
The save (who's next?)
GreyFox
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Oh, by the way, I played till 1920 AD. I think that's 20 turns too ... lost count 
... turns fly by when all you do is press enter
ruff, where did you get the mod for them to show the (# of turns + RL time) together with the game year?
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... turns fly by when all you do is press enter ruff, where did you get the mod for them to show the (# of turns + RL time) together with the game year?
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