Friendly, fun, noob to moderate level game!

[Colonel Kraken]

I didn't know what to do and didn't take a full compliment of turns. We got beat to both wonders (Chichen and Sistine). We did get a great artist which I saved. Egypt demanded Theology which I refused and Japan wanted us to cancel our deals with Egypt which I refused.

Turn 182 (1220 AD)
Paris finishes: Jewish Missionary
Tartar finishes: Forge
Estruscan finishes: Library

Turn 183 (1230 AD)
Paris begins: Jewish Missionary
CopperTown begins: Forge
Tartar begins: Walls
Estruscan begins: Forge
CopperTown begins: The Sistine Chapel
Thespis (Great Artist) born in Paris

Turn 184 (1240 AD)
Axeman defeats (5.00/5): Barbarian Warrior
Judaism has spread: Orleans
Swordsman promoted: Combat I
Swordsman promoted: Cover
Paris finishes: Jewish Missionary
Tartar grows: 9
Uzbek finishes: Barracks
Swordsman defeats (4.56/6): Barbarian Archer

Turn 185 (1250 AD)
Paris begins: Courthouse
CopperTown finishes: Forge
Sarmatian grows: 10

Turn 186 (1260 AD)
Judaism has spread: Uzbek
Tartar finishes: Walls
Estruscan's borders expand

Turn 187 (1270 AD)
CopperTown begins: Jewish Monastery
Tartar begins: Horse Archer
CopperTown grows: 7
Iron Town finishes: Forge
Uzbek grows: 5

Turn 188 (1280 AD)
Iron Town begins: Aqueduct

 

[ruff_hi]

Alt S for signs - creates a little green square, click on the map and put in a sign - click on the same spot to delete the sign. Alt S to get out of sign mode.

 

[GreyFox]

I didn't know what to do and didn't take a full compliment of turns. We got beat to both wonders (Chichen and Sistine).

That's bad news.... I had already tried chopping as much as possible without affecting forest in the Big Fat Cross, but still got beaten to it.

Nevermind, with our forges in place, we would have better luck getting the next wonders.

Now, to get the Great Prophet, we have no choice but to turn some citizen to priest specialist.

Paris begins: Courthouse

Hmm, that is a bit , Paris being the capital has no use for the Courthouse....

 

[ruff_hi]

I didn't know what to do and didn't take a full compliment of turns.

Are handing over or going to bring your tally to 10 rounds? If handing over, hmmn, ahhh, the save?

 

[Colonel Kraken]

Hmm, that is a bit , Paris being the capital has no use for the Courthouse....

Actually, if you go into the city screen, it says City Maintenance -2. I assume if we build a Courthouse, we could reduce that. But, then again, I could be wrong.

 

[Colonel Kraken]

Are handing over or going to bring your tally to 10 rounds? If handing over, hmmn, ahhh, the save?

Um, yes, of course. That's why I said, "I didn't know what to do and didn't take a full compliment of turns." and posted the save.

 

[GreyFox]

Actually, if you go into the city screen, it says City Maintenance -2. I assume if we build a Courthouse, we could reduce that. But, then again, I could be wrong.

You are not wrong, it is correct that Courthouse gives City Maintenance -2 to the city with the courthouse. However, since Paris is the capital, it does not have city maintenance, so courthouse is useless in the capital. (Note: Civ4 no longer has building maintenance, the only maintenance associated with cities is the distance upkeep measured from the capital).

Um, yes, of course. That's why I said, "I didn't know what to do and didn't take a full compliment of turns." and posted the save.

Now I am confused ... but there is no save in your post

 

[ruff_hi]

Indeed - who is up AND WHERE IS THE SAVE!

 

[Colonel Kraken]

(Note: Civ4 no longer has building maintenance, the only maintenance associated with cities is the distance upkeep measured from the capital).

It is my understanding that there is city maintenance also due to number of cities. No city is immune to this maintenance cost. However, does courthouse only take care of maintenance due to distance? If this is so, I am sorry.

However, if that is so, then Firaxis should have been kind enough to not have courthouse selectable in the capital.

I'm am sorry about the save. I am sure I attached it. Since I have dial-up, perhaps there was some snafu with the attachment.

 

[Colonel Kraken]

You guys are more than welcome to go two rounds. If you see I'm not around to grab the save, go for it. I'm sorry to cause you so many problems and to wait so long.

 

[ruff_hi]

Roster ...
1) Colonel Kraken ...[ticked off at Firaxis . . .]
2) ruff_hi ..............[waiting . . . ]
3) GreyFox ............[waiting . . . ]

I saw that you modified the first post - v funny. Ok, guess that I am up. I will try to knock my 10 off by tomorrow but ...

Spoiler :

I was going to say "WHERE IS THE SAVE" again, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Kraken - don't sweat it.

 

[GreyFox]

It is my understanding that there is city maintenance also due to number of cities. No city is immune to this maintenance cost. However, does courthouse only take care of maintenance due to distance? If this is so, I am sorry.

However, if that is so, then Firaxis should have been kind enough to not have courthouse selectable in the capital.

Hmm... maybe you are correct afterall ... According to the mannual p141,

Your capital city starts out with a maintenance cost of 0, but as you found more cities they will begin costing your civilisation gold. Maintenance cost arise from two different sources: the distance of the city from the capital and the total number of cities in your civilisation.

Best way to verify is to use the World builder, set up a few cities, check the financial screen before and after putting a courthouse in the capital.

Roster ...
1) Colonel Kraken ...[ticked off at Firaxis . . .]
2) ruff_hi ..............[waiting . . . ]
3) GreyFox ............[waiting . . . ]

 

[ruff_hi]

I didn't do much this round - played slightly more than 10 (so, shot me!) but I really wanted to see if we got a great prophet ...

Turn 188 (1280 AD)
Research begun: Divine Right
Tech learned: Compass - traded with Peter
CopperTown finishes: Jewish Monastery

Turn 189 (1290 AD)
CopperTown begins: Jewish Missionary
Estruscan grows: 5
Uzbek finishes: Walls

Turn 190 (1300 AD)
Uzbek begins: Granary
Paris finishes: Courthouse
CopperTown finishes: Jewish Missionary
Orleans grows: 5
Hinduism has spread: Tartar - ohh, another religion - maybe we start thinking of spreading this around and going for a cultural victory?
Scout defeats (0.16/1): Barbarian Warrior - woohoo!

Turn 191 (1310 AD)
Paris begins: Jewish Missionary
CopperTown begins: Jewish Missionary
Scout promoted: Woodsman II
Chuck (Axeman) defeats (5.00/5): Barbarian Warrior
Tartar finishes: Horse Archer
Sarmatian finishes: Jewish Temple

Turn 192 (1320 AD)
Tartar begins: Worker
Sarmatian begins: Buddhist Monastery
Tech learned: Divine Right
Islam founded in Iron Town - and another religion - and this one is ours!
Islam has spread: Iron Town
Paris finishes: Jewish Missionary
Iron Town grows: 12

Turn 193 (1330 AD)
Research begun: Civil Service
Paris begins: Worker
Chuck (Axeman) promoted: Combat I
Chuck (Axeman) promoted: Combat II
CopperTown finishes: Jewish Missionary
Estruscan finishes: Forge
Chuck (Axeman) defeats (1.20/5): Barbarian Horse Archer - there are still barbarians around

Turn 194 (1340 AD)
CopperTown begins: The Spiral Minaret
Estruscan begins: Courthouse
Islam has spread: Paris
Orleans finishes: Library

Turn 195 (1350 AD)
Orleans begins: Courthouse
Paris finishes: Worker
Tartar finishes: Worker
Sarmatian grows: 11

Turn 196 (1360 AD)
Paris begins: Islamic Monastery
Tartar begins: Hindu Monastery
Tech learned: Civil Service
Iron Town finishes: Aqueduct

Turn 197 (1370 AD)
Research begun: Feudalism
Iron Town begins: Islamic Monastery

Turn 198 (1380 AD)
Judaism has spread: Boston (American Empire)
Research begun: Music
Paris finishes: Islamic Monastery
Tartar's borders expand
Uzbek finishes: Granary
Orleans's borders expand

Turn 199 (1390 AD)
Paris begins: Jewish Missionary - check who has a state religion before sending missionaries there.
Uzbek begins: Forge
Judaism has spread: Atlanta (American Empire)
Iron Town's borders expand
Tartar grows: 10

Turn 200 (1400 AD)
Mahavira (Prophet) (Great Prophet) born in Iron Town - yippee!!
Judaism has spread: Circei (Roman Empire)

Turn 201 (1410 AD)
Paris finishes: Islamic Missionary
Tartar finishes: Hindu Monastery
Uzbek grows: 6

Turn 202 (1420 AD)
Tech learned: Feudalism
Paris begins: Jewish Missionary
Tartar begins: Hindu Missionary
CopperTown finishes: The Temple of Solomon

I think we need to start thinking of a victory condition and aim for it. War is difficult, mainly because we are weak and we have left it a bit late - anyone got any suggestions? I'm thinking cultural.

 

[GreyFox]

Got it.

Glad that finally we have a head, it really helps our economy.

Hmm... victory condition:

cultural: Our top 3 cities: Paris - 2643@42cpt, CopperTown - 1272@18cpt, Tartar - 524/10cpt ..... not very encouraging
If we are pursuing this, we need to start building some cultural enhancing improvements/wonders in Tartar.

Conquest/Domination: We are at 2nd last, Peter is way below us. Not much of a chance there, I say.

Diplomatic: Heh, nobody is pleased with us. But it is a likely candidate if we can get people to convert to our faith.

Space Race: A good chance, considering we are at 2nd place in GNP ... but space victory is turned off

Hehe, I think the best odds is timed victory... hahahaha (we are #1 at the moment!)

 

[ruff_hi]

more important to look for 3 commerce cities and build them towards culture then turn the culture setting to 100% (if you want to take the culture route)

 

[GreyFox]

Inherited Turn (1420 AD)
- Noticed CopperTown is starving, so had no choice to move some pop from hammers to food.
- Why is Tartar building Hindu Missonary????
Tartar begins: Colosseum
Tech learned: Music
Paris finishes: Jewish Missionary
Iron Town finishes: Islamic Monastery
Uzbek's borders expand

Turn 203 (1430 AD)
Research begun: Paper
Paris begins: Longbowman
Iron Town begins: Longbowman
Washington cancel OB with us! To offset that I OB with Peter (this, and because I have two missionaries right at his doorsetps)
Paris grows: 11
Iron Town grows: 13

Turn 204 (1440 AD)
Paris finishes: Longbowman <- need to catch up on our military, else will be sitting duck, holy city or not.
Sarmatian's borders expand
Sarmatian finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Estruscan finishes: Courthouse

Turn 203 (1450 AD)
Paris begins: Longbowman
Sarmatian begins: Forge
Estruscan begins: Granary
Judaism has spread: Yaroslavl' (Russian Empire)
Tech learned: Paper
Iron Town finishes: Longbowman

Turn 206 (1460 AD)
Research begun: Machinery
Iron Town begins: Jewish Monastery
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Islam has spread: St. Petersburg (Russian Empire)
Judaism has spread: Arbela (Persian Empire)
Tech learned: Machinery <- traded Theo+Music with Cyrus for Machinery + 30g + map, a loss, I know, but cyrus is low on score.
Research begun: Education
Paris finishes: Longbowman

Turn 207 (1470 AD)
Paris begins: Jewish Missionary
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Paris finishes: Jewish Missionary
Tartar finishes: Colosseum

Turn 208 (1480 AD)
Paris begins: Settler <- for settling, we can afford to expand 1~2 cities more, see later screenies
Tartar begins: Longbowman
Wang Xizhi (Great Artist) born in Paris <- one more GA. Save them for cultural bomb later.

Turn 209 (1490 AD)
Tech learned: Drama <- same trick, used Paper to get Drama + gold + world map from Peter. He is last in score.
Iron Town finishes: Jewish Monastery
Uzbek grows: 7
Uzbek finishes: Forge

Turn 210 (1500 AD)
Iron Town begins: Theatre
Uzbek begins: Theatre
Judaism has spread: Moscow (Russian Empire)

I did not play my full set, decided to stop at a good year, we need to discuss how to proceed.

After Turns Notes

- I think we could continue to spread Judaism to further our coffers, and also to spy on othen ations. Continue to hit Peter with them.
I have also send one missionary east to hit on Hatty, but haven't quite reach her.


- I think we could afford 1 or 2 more cities. Possible site are:

notice the vast space between our 3 cities. One more city could go there.
It also builds up pressure on Peter.

Here we could go for the bananas.
French's cultural push is definitely stronger than the Japs, so we will win in a cultural border contest.
Once jungle is cleared, we can get the city up for a cottage spam.


- I have also began clearing jungles from our north most town.


- The trading of world maps gave us the entire globe view. The AIs love doing exploration!
Our hemisphere:

The other hemishpere:

- Some info screen for discussions:

Our city stats:

Victories prospect:

Demographs:

The save: (colonel is UP)

 

[GreyFox]

If we are going for cultural win, the possible choices are:
(a) based on culture: Paris, Copper Town, Iron Town
(b) basedon commerce: Paris, Iron Town, Samatian
There are 2 Great Artists in Paris for use. Once we decide to go this route, the three cities will build nthing but culture buildings, the remaining cities have to build armies to supplement our military. Can't have Tonku or JC come snatching our 40000 culture city from under our nose, can we?
We also need to change to caste system

Although we are almost last in power, a domination victory is also possible. To do that, we have got to start beeffing up our military, insitigate some wars, while we get along with teh free ride, nabbing ourselves some cities along the way.

 

[ruff_hi]

Why is Tartar building Hindu Missonary????

I was doing that to get another religion going so we could get another monestory (+50% culture) in each of the big three. We just need to check who we will be giving the money too.

I have been working on Peter (good tech and resource trades) so I am glad that we got OB with him. Have you noticed how Japan is spread out - if we can get a three way war going with him (us, Egypt and Rome), he will not be long for this world.

I agree about building up our soldiers.

 

[GreyFox]

I was doing that to get another religion going so we could get another monestory (+50% culture) in each of the big three. We just need to check who we will be giving the money too.

Ah, I see. ... sorry, was veto by me
Hinduism is Hatty.

Hmmm ... a war against Tonku is doable, I think. He has a couple of nearby cities we could grab. Tonku however share the same faith with JC, so might be hard to get Rome in for the ride. But if we can get Hatty to do war, it is possible though. She would absorb most of tommy's hammers, while we just grab the cities near our border (perhaps even Edo).

 

[Colonel Kraken]

I said you guys could take two rounds and I meant it. I'm not really going to be around anyway. It's fun watching how you guys play. I'm learning some stuff.