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shyuhe
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Ok, let's go alpha-aesthetics then. Do we want to settle the GS or put an academy in gems? Also, we should trade for indigo's wine once gems comes out of revolt.
Let's OB with white and trade away our copper too. We might be able to get enough positive modifiers to keep him at cautious. He's got close borders with green so we should be ok.
Let's OB with white and trade away our copper too. We might be able to get enough positive modifiers to keep him at cautious. He's got close borders with green so we should be ok.
You mean aest and trade for alpha, right? First GS could make an academy I think, let's just run 0% until we get that academy (and probably library) done too. Academy helps with border wars too. Not sure about GG, medic sounds good though settling is nice too - but since we'll be warring a lot (something tells me so anyway 
) we'll likely run theo anyway so 5-7 xp doesn't make much of a difference... Probably a medic chariot is a good idea.
bbp, it's important to find out how the situation is looking up north as well as try to push as far east with a vulture stack as possible, to choke monty and kill some units as well as keep any pillagers away from our borders.
) we'll likely run theo anyway so 5-7 xp doesn't make much of a difference... Probably a medic chariot is a good idea.bbp, it's important to find out how the situation is looking up north as well as try to push as far east with a vulture stack as possible, to choke monty and kill some units as well as keep any pillagers away from our borders.
shyuhe
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Yeah that's what I meant 
Settling may be stronger here. Even at 100% slider, gems will be size 1 when we build an academy so it won't add much. The goal is to get alphabet as soon as possible, so I think settling is better here.
Settling may be stronger here. Even at 100% slider, gems will be size 1 when we build an academy so it won't add much. The goal is to get alphabet as soon as possible, so I think settling is better here.
Yeah that's what I meant
Settling may be stronger here. Even at 100% slider, gems will be size 1 when we build an academy so it won't add much. The goal is to get alphabet as soon as possible, so I think settling is better here.
why you are obssesed with alpha?
It does depend on map, but on quick tests it looks like monty goes through it at 400bc latest.
Alpha also gets traded at lower relation levels.
We could get alpha from white some techs from inigo and peace with green.
For gs i am for settling.
Doesn't look to me like we have an immediate need for more workers. Pastures are available now, so that will be the first order of business for them. Need to somehow dodge/kill that Shock Archer, so I can pasture the pig.
I'll research Aesthetics and part Alpha. Settling the GS seems best to me, but I'm not sure we have a consensus yet? I'd like to get another one asap. Should we just continue running in Uruk? I guess both cities can run them for the moment.
Move two more vultures towards gems, and build a some more in Uruk. I'd go combat-line with one or two for open-field battle. A couple of archers for undefended cities, as well. Otherwise, try to get essentials (granary, library...) going everywhere. Horse should get barracks, I think.
Not sure we can currently spare any resources for the north?
I'll stop play if there's a peace treaty or another DOW.
I'll research Aesthetics and part Alpha. Settling the GS seems best to me, but I'm not sure we have a consensus yet? I'd like to get another one asap. Should we just continue running in Uruk? I guess both cities can run them for the moment.
Move two more vultures towards gems, and build a some more in Uruk. I'd go combat-line with one or two for open-field battle. A couple of archers for undefended cities, as well. Otherwise, try to get essentials (granary, library...) going everywhere. Horse should get barracks, I think.
Not sure we can currently spare any resources for the north?
I'll stop play if there's a peace treaty or another DOW.
Sounds good (messy, though ). Settling looks to be the consensus. North only needs 1 scouting unit, max, and none if the WB discovers AI cities. IMO we are not in desperate need of units so uruk which stopped growing may build a settler but most likely these sites are gone anyway.
Good luck playing UNTIL there is another DOW or a peace treaty
). Settling looks to be the consensus. North only needs 1 scouting unit, max, and none if the WB discovers AI cities. IMO we are not in desperate need of units so uruk which stopped growing may build a settler but most likely these sites are gone anyway.Good luck playing UNTIL there is another DOW or a peace treaty
Should we convert to Hindu to start accumulating diplo? I'll also trade the spare gems, ofc.
Agree with Aesth>Alpha as the rest.
I'd have Uruk make at least 2 more settlers. Even if we can't grab the northern spots (which we should try to get for the resources), there are at least 3 spots close by to our culture that we want to settle sooner than later. Moreover, seeing as Indigo is in Missionary spam mode we could get free religion spreads.
Have Eridu build a wb or two for new cities (fish)/exploration.
Resources: trade gems for wine right now, I don't want to risk losing that trade and it doesn't affect our happy cap. Also trade the copper away to white as said earlier.
Hinduism: not sure it's worth waiting for white to DoW. We have 2 closer Monties that share the religion. However, we should OB with him before converting.
GPP: Eridu for certain, Uruk can be useful to start accumulating GPP towards our Education bulber (presumably we will run Caste System at some point).
Workers: We'll be short soon. We're already having sub-par tiles worked (there's some grassland riverside jungle that needs improving). We can juggle some tiles around to help with this but really 2 more workers can't hurt. BUT I agree they aren't required just yet so settlers first.
We should still try to milk out every bit of commerce we can get via riverside farms (for example, Eridu will still grow next turn if Rice->grass farm)
@PPP
How/when do you plan on whipping infra in cities? How about tile usage? Food vs hammers?
I'd have Uruk make at least 2 more settlers. Even if we can't grab the northern spots (which we should try to get for the resources), there are at least 3 spots close by to our culture that we want to settle sooner than later. Moreover, seeing as Indigo is in Missionary spam mode we could get free religion spreads.
Have Eridu build a wb or two for new cities (fish)/exploration.
Resources: trade gems for wine right now, I don't want to risk losing that trade and it doesn't affect our happy cap. Also trade the copper away to white as said earlier.
Hinduism: not sure it's worth waiting for white to DoW. We have 2 closer Monties that share the religion. However, we should OB with him before converting.
GPP: Eridu for certain, Uruk can be useful to start accumulating GPP towards our Education bulber (presumably we will run Caste System at some point).
Workers: We'll be short soon. We're already having sub-par tiles worked (there's some grassland riverside jungle that needs improving). We can juggle some tiles around to help with this but really 2 more workers can't hurt. BUT I agree they aren't required just yet so settlers first.
We should still try to milk out every bit of commerce we can get via riverside farms (for example, Eridu will still grow next turn if Rice->grass farm)
@PPP
How/when do you plan on whipping infra in cities? How about tile usage? Food vs hammers?
Agree with your settler plan, kos. My reason to believe that those northern spots are mostly gone is that indigo has/had crab to trade, and this is a rather rare resource so I guess we'll really need to hurry if we want to get anything... the barb city is also still up for grabbing but our resources are tied otherwise right now, my hope is that the same holds true for indigo... bbp, you still could tell him to attack a certain city.
shyuhe
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Given the general tendency of Monty to unit spam, it's highly unlikely that white will leave WHEOOH before declaring. And since we don't share land tiles with him, it's even less likely that he'd target us over a dog pile target. If I remember the code for dog piling, it checks to see if it's own power + the civ it will join sides with > victim's power. So pretty much anyone is a valid dog pile victim right now but I'm pretty sure land targets are given priority.
I agree that we should get a second WB out to scout along the south coast (if possible). We need to figure out if we're on a pangaea style map or if it's more of a continents style map.
I think it's White that has crab to trade actually.
Is Gems our future science city? It's a bit food poor pre-Calendar, but that should be ok with a grass farm or two for now. If we're settling a GS there, with the intent of putting up an academy with next, I'd need to chop out a library asap. And, we can't afford to lose it to a Green counter-attack.
I didn't actually know you could tell him what city to attack... Will do.
I'd like to build a chariot and send it scouting east.
Settlers: I have no problem with it, except I'm worried that something changes before we get a peace bribe and that we might need more units to defend Gems. A few more archers can't hurt, can they?
I'd like to adopt Hindu soonish, but I guess we can wait and see what happens with White. He'll probably DOW during this set anyway.
Is Gems our future science city? It's a bit food poor pre-Calendar, but that should be ok with a grass farm or two for now. If we're settling a GS there, with the intent of putting up an academy with next, I'd need to chop out a library asap. And, we can't afford to lose it to a Green counter-attack.
I didn't actually know you could tell him what city to attack... Will do.
I'd like to build a chariot and send it scouting east.
Settlers: I have no problem with it, except I'm worried that something changes before we get a peace bribe and that we might need more units to defend Gems. A few more archers can't hurt, can they?
I'd like to adopt Hindu soonish, but I guess we can wait and see what happens with White. He'll probably DOW during this set anyway.
A chariot can do the job I suppose and faster. It'd just be a shame if there was an island/continent for intercontinental trade routes that we'd miss on for several turns though.
For the rest, I trust your judgment, go ahead from me.
For the rest, I trust your judgment, go ahead from me.
shyuhe
Deity
If we're settling, we might as well put it in Uruk. It's a long hike to gems and I'd rather get the beakers now for our push to aesthetics--alphabet rather than a long-term bonus from the academy (which won't happen for at least another 35 turns or so). A chariot sounds good but I'm fine with archers. Better safe than sorry against those crazy Montys.
Ok, if you don't mind settling in Uruk, I'll do that. It'll shave a valuable turn or two from Aesthetics > Alpha.
since when we are in such hurry?
for my taste if we settle it it should go in future academy city.
Have we decided on settling already?
shyuhe
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We want alphabet + aesthetics so that we can broker peace whenever we need to with green (i.e., when it's not advantageous). That's a bit of an unknown factor but wouldn't it be safer to have some insurance? I don't want to get run over because indigo takes peace or fails to muster a military push against green. So the options I see are either a gift city or a tech for peace.
Is it better if we push 0% slider and then build an academy in gems?
Is it better if we push 0% slider and then build an academy in gems?
Since Indigo is finishing Alphabet, it suddenly looks more important, I guess... Not an optimal play, but shyuhe's argument is what I was thinking, too. It's certainly open for discussion, though I thought we had more or less decided on settling.0% slider > academy may be ok... I'll check. I think the problem is still that Gems won't even grow to 2 on this schedule, so the academy benefit is pretty marginal for some time.
