Full Monty

[mystyfly]

That's what I suggested, shyuhe, slider at 0 and academy... I think it's better, given that we could tech currency soonish for more commerce and wealth building (-> higher slider).

Agree with converting to hindu now. WB down south is too risky until we get peace with green. I don't expect a big effort from him to retake gems - actually it's safest if we besiege the next city and occasionally attack with the CRs or just fortify on a jungle hill (only road btw) with a few archers and shock vultures... But we shouldn't use too many resources on that, I don't fear greenie until he gets construction. Thank sid for jags

 

[shyuhe]

Two or three guerilla archers should be able to hold the jungle to the SE of gems.

I'm not convinced academy is better than settling (in either city) here since it will NOT break even before Eridu pops our second GS in 30-ish turns or less (I don't remember the exact number). A single gems at 100% provides 4 extra beakers, so gems needs to be size 2 + 100% slider to provide more beakers than settling. I'm almost sure Eridu will pop the second GS before those conditions are met.

So I see it as a question of which city do we want to settle it in, which comes down to an estimation of when we will want to take peace with green. That's a big unknown and on further thought, I'm willing to defer to the others on that since there's really no way to guess it.

 

[Soirana]

I'm not convinced academy is better than settling (in either city) here since it will NOT break even before Eridu pops our second GS in 30-ish turns or less (I don't remember the exact number). A single gems at 100% provides 4 extra beakers, so gems needs to be size 2 + 100% slider to provide more beakers than settling. I'm almost sure Eridu will pop the second GS before those conditions are met.

On quick calculations waiting for academy would accumulate just enough gold to finish Aesthetics.

As size goes... well, i would most likely prefer using second GS for something else. If we do not want bulb anything at all than settling is an option, yes. if we settle i prefer it being in future academy/oxford city as handful of beakers lost moving won't make huge difference anyway [well it is way less than your detour through hunting and techs a like].

As slider goes... Assuming we trade for Alpha and build research till currency it will not take ages to go up.

 

[mystyfly]

If we settle, then in gems/future aca city. Maybe settling > academy in the very short term, but when we get the second GS we can use him for something else... second academy, bulbing... if we settle the first one we "must" use the second on the academy...

 

[babybluepants]

I think it will take some time to up the slider. mysty's point about potential bulbing is valid, though. We might have a real need for big trade bait here... Settling in Gems is better than Uruk, after all. I think I'm still for that. Can we reach a consensus somehow?

 

[mystyfly]

I'm fine with both settling and academy in gems. Shyuhe is for settling, and soirana for academy I think. Didn't find kos' opinion in his last posts.

 

[Soirana]

I'm fine with both settling and academy in gems. Shyuhe is for settling, and soirana for academy I think. Didn't find kos' opinion in his last posts.

I'm fine with both as long as it is in reasonable long term city. gems is an option since most likely we will avoid cottaging jungle cities for our own good.

 

[shyuhe]

I would prefer settling but I can go along with an academy (both in gems of course).

 

[mystyfly]

Well you can always just toss a coin, bbp, just do it soon

 

[babybluepants]

Ok, I'll just make an executive decision and, almost certainly , settle it. I'll save up money for some turns in either case, as it's just better for having a safety margin. Playing tonight, no time now.

 

[Duckweed]

I would prefer settling but I can go along with an academy (both in gems of course).

Unless you want to and can move your capital before Bureaucracy, academy in original capital is usually preferred.

 

[babybluepants]

Played 3t, and Green made peace with Indigo.
We're still at least 8t from Aesthetics.
Thoughts?

 

[kossin]

Not many choices... pack Gems City with all we got and hope to farm some free exp while catapults aren't available.

Stick to the plan for the rest.

 

[babybluepants]

Not many choices...

Tech Masonry and insta-chop walls?

Otherwise, just stick with plan...

 

[shyuhe]

Putting a vulture or two with woodsman I on the hill SE of gems may encourage some Monty suicides too.

 

[kossin]

I think we have sufficient numbers to not require Walls but I could be very wrong.

 

[shyuhe]

I think most of our vultures have CR promos, so we will need some CG2 archers or combat vultures.

 

[kossin]

Archers then We already have a few in route and the cultural defense will be 20% in a few turns.

Besides, that city is quite food poor so whipping there is yuk

 

[mystyfly]

Definitely not tech masonry. This means it'll take at least 2 turns (maybe even more) until we get aesth and abc partteched and thus only extends the war. Until construction, greenie has NOTHING to harm us.

 

[babybluepants]

Aesthetics done.
White declared on Green.
Green has catapults now. He also has Alphabet. I dropped everything into the city - lost a few units, but killed more. We got a GG sitting in Uruk.
GS settled in Gems.
Indigo has a city just east of northern barbs. We should take peace now, and beeline north with a stack of vultures, I think.
Had to play hide-and-seek with workers a bit, since he has a lot of chariots and I'm hoping to improve Gems.
The pig in Gold flipped to Indigo, but we're reasonably close to the second border pop - hopefully that's enough to keep it.