[GS] Future Update?

[bite]

We cant even get word from our prophet. How are we supposed to divine information from Firaxis?

Let people enjoy the holidays in peace

 

[Kaan Boztepe]

Let people enjoy the holidays in peace

There must always be a Grinch?

 

[cvb]

I mean ideal world, they wouldn't need to release the source code because everything would be comprehensively exposed in the modding layer.

"the modding layer" -- Well, 25 years ago I suggested (in the newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic while discussing a civ2proposal) they could define a general interface for the players so that 'on the other side' the playing entity could be a frontend to a (local or remote) human player as well as another process located in the host computer or in a computer on the dark side of the moon ... ideally you could play yourself or try to build an AIplayer and let it play against other AIs. (Remember civ1 was a much simpler game)

Exposing "everything" that could be wished for seems to be quite a lot (near unviable) - I mean, in an ideal world all what I could want to modify would already be implemented and I had only switch it on in a configuration file ...

As I understand it, right now the status is that without access to the DLL source, you cannot have your potential tactical AI code eg. force a specific unit do a specific move, because an instance in the given DLL may overrule you and make even a random(!) move. Random, but the same random per same RNG in every machine, so nothing evil happens when multiplayer computers run out of sync because of short disconnects ...

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[Victoria]

it's not worse than magical battles between apostles.

These are not magical battles, it is a smiting from above.
Now you may not believe in this but mock not or ye too may one day be smitten.

 

[679x]

Anachronistic idea before the radio or phonograph IMO... record sales?

Ok, replace the rock band with a skald, replace concerts with poetry readings, and replace album sales with scribed copies of the poetry. Boom, you got yourself a [probably] historically accurate rock band replacement!

 

[ghost88]

Anachronistic idea before the radio or phonograph IMO... record sales?

Ok, replace the rock band with a skald, replace concerts with poetry readings, and replace album sales with scribed copies of the poetry. Boom, you got yourself a [probably] historically accurate rock band replacement!

Also there were traveling Minstrel Shows and Vaudeville before radio.

 

[AntSou]

Could an announcement of some sort be planned for tomorrow or Tuesday? I'm asking because there hasn't been a Christmas/New Year's message this year yet.

Do you think the fact this year's New Year's Eve falls on a Tuesday could lead them to do that? Obviously the video would have to be produced by now, it would be a matter of uploading it to youtube and twitter.

 

[Victoria]

the rock band with a skald

Also there were traveling Minstrel Shows and Vaudeville before radio.

There was Greek tragedy, Punch and Judy a zillion forms of entertainment, give me some credit.
... but they did not create album sales, radio play, more importantly the huge majority were from their own country.
Scribed copies? Have you done any history? Oooh let’s visit their country, they have great psalms!
There was the odd personality in the 18-19th century one may consider a pop idol but the reality was it was not the masses and the behaviour was way below a rock band in effect.
If you want an early rock band, no album sales and less tourism because you just did not get the audience size.
Sure have them if Firaxis will make them for you, I just said they were anachronistic. Have some fun in your game, just do not try and justify their effect in reality if you want them to behave like rock bands.

 

[The googles do nothing]

If you want an early rock band, no album sales and less tourism because you just did not get the audience size.

'Tourism' should have been named something else such as 'cultural influence'. AC/DC, a band still touring, have a huge influence on other cultures music but I don't think a lot of people are traveling to Australia because of them.

 

[Gedemon]

Thinking about it more, if I'm not mistaken - I'm not even sure DLL mods would work on PC with multiplayer, I don't know that the auto-download functionality would place DLLs correctly.

But all that has to be done is what they did with the 'save game friendly' tag. Essentially add a 'multiplayer usable' tag for mods when they release the source code. Any DLL based MODs could have 'NO' for the tag, essentially meaning those who want to use them in multiplayer would manually set them up as was done in Civ 5.

Custom DLL are loaded from the mod folder, no nedd to place/download it in a different folder than all the other files of the mod.

 

[679x]

Scribed copies? Have you done any history? Oooh let’s visit their country, they have great psalms!

Lol, no, I don't study history. I'm just trying to think of ways to make a rock band replacement for before rock bands existed. Either way, you probably wouldn't have it function exactly the same way anyway, or else it'd just be a reskin and not anything unique. And it'd likely have to have lowered tourism values for balance purposes in the earlier game. It'd be a cool concept, though, IMO. Really, I'd love to have some sort of non-combat unique unit at some point anyway like we did in Civ 5. I don't think we have any yet in 6, do we?

 

[ghost88]

There was Greek tragedy, Punch and Judy a zillion forms of entertainment, give me some credit.
... but they did not create album sales, radio play, more importantly the huge majority were from their own country.
Scribed copies? Have you done any history? Oooh let’s visit their country, they have great psalms!
There was the odd personality in the 18-19th century one may consider a pop idol but the reality was it was not the masses and the behaviour was way below a rock band in effect.
If you want an early rock band, no album sales and less tourism because you just did not get the audience size.
Sure have them if Firaxis will make them for you, I just said they were anachronistic. Have some fun in your game, just do not try and justify their effect in reality if you want them to behave like rock bands.

You seem to think the only cultural/tourism supplied by Rock Bands are albums (19th century sheet music) , the in game "Rock Bands" represent traveling entertainment that can "win" album sales if the have a successful tour ( if they achieve their goal when used). Vaudeville and Minstrel Shows were the pre- 20th century music tours. There were few "World Tours" prior to the1950s because it took weeks not hours to get from one country to another. However there were at least one United States entertainment company that toured Europe prior to 1900, "Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show" and "won" by impressing the people who saw them. Locally in the US most towns of any size had bands that gave concerts playing sheet music (album sales) from elsewhere. In addition on the Mississippi River there were boats that went from town to town giving variety shows. While not a Historian of entertainment history I also believe Elizabethan England had not only places like The Globe Theater. but traveling shows of actors and/or musicians. So yes there are earlier forms of "Rock Bands" that could be added, though I care little if they do, as I believe they have much more pressing things to use their time on, like the AI and a plethora of other items that have been mentioned on this (Civ Fanatics) and other forums.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I’d have troubadours as a medieval equivalent for rock bands.

 

[Kaan Boztepe]

i really dont think any medieval troubadour ever did a concert tour of other countries

 

[The Kingmaker]

I could see people traveling between England, France, the Italian city-states and the HRE.

But the troubadour wouldn’t need to be as “advanced” as the rock band in terms of the technology which disseminates its music.

Much more low key.

Also, perhaps a composer, orchestra or opera company could be a good in-between for the enlightenment/industrial age.

 

[Zdarg]

i really dont think any medieval troubadour ever did a concert tour of other countries

He did; only countries were smaller.
Jaskier in The Witcher lives exactly like that, constantly traveling from one country to another, and it's historically correct.

 

[Kaan Boztepe]

He did; only countries were smaller.
Jaskier in The Witcher lives exactly like that, constantly traveling from one country to another, and it's historically correct.

are you really giving an example from a fantasy world where everyone speaks the same language there are no wars between the countries except one major enemy that is at war with everyone and somehow all use the same coins and also apparently same culture everywhere and everyone knows the characters of the ballads of the bards? maybe a little bit of a more realistic example would be better
now imagine medieval europe , all countries at war so you really cannot travel so easily , everyone speaks a different language so you have trouble to communicate basic needs like food and bed , and no one understands the words of your ballads ( which are basically stories you tell )

 

[oSiyeza]

I had to step into this traveling band thing


Well of course artist and music festivals were constantly on the move, from town to town, from castle to castle, from kingdom to kingdom.

They were not live tours, but a nomad life style. Most were kind of local, some others not so much, some artist would never play twice in the same city and will be moving towards somewhere and performing on the road.

The world is now not like then. The difference between a king or a local feudal lord was only of power, so most of the time, it was no different to change cities than to change countries.

Language was not a big a barrier cause speaking two languages was not such a rarity and language distribution was not as straightforward as you can think (More on that later). Also currency was not an issue at all. Cause currencies were made of gold or silver the value of a coin was the value of the metal it was made of.

Regarding wars, big scale wars were not as common or as long lasting as you may think. And regardless, contrary to most depictions, small conflicts between kings was a matter common folks could not care less about. Unless a city was under siege, or folks were enrolled by force. Both those were truly rare things.

As king you don't want to conquer a city after killing the source of the income that gives that place a reason to exist, and you don't want to put your source of income fighting in the front. So big battles were usually fought in battlefields or stronholds, not in towns. With a mix of profesional armies, paid volunteers, and a bunch of less fortunate guys. So for a regular folk, an enemy king in a foreign land was much less of a concern that the local landlord.

Also Country and Kingdom in Europe were much looser terms than today. For example what it is today Spain and Portugal, was in middle ages a changing mess of kings and Kingdoms. The kingdoms of Galicia, Valencia, Aragon, Castilla, Portugal, among many others. That splitted after revolts or heir disputes, joined with marriages....

Province divisions are a reminder of that hierarchical mess. And sometimes is much more complicated. For example we have in Spain now, as a legacy of that, 17 regional presidents that rule 52 provinces and one central president that rules them all... or rules nothing... deppending who you ask. And on top of that a king that rules or not....

Thing is, living close to a border between two countries was not difficult in Europe. And goods and products traveled long distances too. And with those caravans, also traveled some performers.

Traveling from Spain to France, or to Portugal or Italy was not uncommon, and usually regions from two countries, but close to each other spoke the same language no matter the actual politics, or a mix or the languajes of their respective countries.

In the North West of Spain we speak Spanish and Galician which is also Spoken in north Portugal, and is 90% like Portuguese, Italian is so similar to Spanish that every Spanish or Italian can learn the other languaje in a couple of months just with listening, North East Spain speaks Catalonian that is close to French, and dont make me start with the mess that is Galician-Irish cultural simmilarities, or The Spanish Vasc country and the French Vasc country regions. Or on why Romanian is for some reason almost an Italian-Spanish omelette.

This is only about Spain, that i know the most cause is my homecountry. But ask the Belgians abot the French speaking and the German speaking regions of the country, or how German Norwegian and Swedish, are so similar they dont need to Study the new language when they move. The same for Denmmark and Netherland...

Even today, with all controls, borders are such a non difficulty for cultural exchange that Russians cross to Sweden in bicycle. Spanish go to Portugal or France walking, you can go to Italy in a couple of days in a sailing ship from Valencia or if you are in the mood (and you are crazy) you can cross from Spain to Africa by Swimming. We have even regions next to where I live now (North Spain) were we have currently some viking celebrations, cause they showed up from time to time.

PS: Seriously whats wrong with me, why am I not capable of making a short post?

Happy new year for all you! .
Know is too soon but i don't post every day.
You are a nice and cool awesome community!

 

[Zdarg]

are you really giving an example from a fantasy world where everyone speaks the same language there are no wars between the countries except one major enemy that is at war with everyone and somehow all use the same coins and also apparently same culture everywhere and everyone knows the characters of the ballads of the bards? maybe a little bit of a more realistic example would be better
now imagine medieval europe , all countries at war so you really cannot travel so easily , everyone speaks a different language so you have trouble to communicate basic needs like food and bed , and no one understands the words of your ballads ( which are basically stories you tell )

Already answered by oSiyeza, agree with him.
What I can add, we are talking about implementing something into fantasy world of Civilization, where everybody seem to talk same language also and wars aren't that common even in Medieval.
And, well, even in modern world there are plenty of people who can listen to Beatles and enjoy it without knowing a single word of English.

 

[leandrombraz]

Random thought: They should make old-grown woods and newly-grown woods visually distinctive, so the player can tell which one is which just by glancing an eye on the tiles. Different colors, different models of trees, just anything to make them look different.