[GS] Future Update?

[Duuk]

Sorry! I'll try to uncurb it with this inspirational quote:
“Let's think the unthinkable (meaning: let's think 3rd expansion is still coming), let's do the undoable (continue to wait patiently and hope for it). Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.”
Not sure how to interpret the last part, so in short: “Don't Panic.”

I've actually been over it for about two weeks. I'm reasonably sure Civ6 is dead and buried and they're treading water. I don't know what's next or when, but any hype is, for me, dead.

 

[Kwami]

I've actually been over it for about two weeks. I'm reasonably sure Civ6 is dead and buried and they're treading water. I don't know what's next or when, but any hype is, for me, dead.

I don't understand why this keeps coming up. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Civ VI isn't finished. There are new stats/achievements on the Steam DB, there was work on a new patch before the new year, and some of the lead developers straight up told us in the latch patch video that they aren't done, yet.

I think y'all just need to calm down. It's not Firaxis's fault if they don't hit your made up deadlines.

 

[playshogi]

I don't understand why this keeps coming up. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Civ VI isn't finished. There are new stats/achievements on the Steam DB, there was work on a new patch before the new year, and some of the lead developers straight up told us in the latch patch video that they aren't done, yet.

I think y'all just need to calm down. It's not Firaxis's fault if they don't hit your made up deadlines.

1. Video: "We are not done." 2. Release patch. 3. Done.

 

[Duuk]

Their last ACTUAL communication (not db mining) was in like September. That's 5 months ago. "We're not done!" could just as easily have been in reference to the consoles or A MARKETING TACTIC to keep people interested until they announce: CIV6:Beyond Earth:2:EVENMOREBEYOND.

 

[AntSou]

I doubt they are done, though I was referring specifically to the case for a 3rd expansion vs anything else.

 

[Victoria]

And because they have so many platforms and probably a reduced workforce for the last push, it’s gonna be longer, simples.

 

[CPWimmer]

I think y'all just need to calm down. It's not Firaxis's fault if they don't hit your made up deadlines.

Calm? What 'dis?
Made up deadlines?!?!?
Us?!?!
How dare you sir!!!

 

[Krajzen]

Their last ACTUAL communication (not db mining) was in like September. That's 5 months ago. "We're not done!" could just as easily have been in reference to the consoles or A MARKETING TACTIC to keep people interested until they announce: CIV6:Beyond Earth:2:EVENMOREBEYOND.

I remember how people on Crusader Kings 2 forums were goddamn certain there are going to be many more expansions and downvoting anyone expressing belief that we have already witnessed the last one. And then after few months of silence - CK3 announcement, lol.

I was firm believer of third expansion for a long time, now I am not sure. I'm third expansion agnostic, I'll believe it when I see it. The game is already feature bloated with countless mechanics, few more 'necessary' civs could be as well added with DLCs and few last minor features with a bunch of patches, there have been 4 years since release and two expansions...

Don't get me wrong, it would really feel anticlimactic if civ6 ended here - especially if we didn't get .dll code - but I'm not taking about what should be done.

 

[Engeez]

While a third expansion would be okay i'd rather see a "competitive AI" DLC Expansion. If your listening Firaxis, i'd gladly pay $100 or more for this. AI that can reliably take walled cities is needed badly, along with reliable use of aircraft and support units. Honestly don't know why they even have support units just a waste of time. Give "battering Ram promotion" on the first promotion tree for melee units. IMO game is broken because they AI really could care less about winning the game, they are simply there to role play. Also bring back being able to backstab that is so important.

 

[Neirai]

ngl I would buy a game by Firaxis called EVENMOREBEYOND (although not as much as I would buy one called EVERMOREBEYOND)

 

[CPWimmer]

I remember how people on Crusader Kings 2 forums were goddamn certain there are going to be many more expansions and downvoting anyone expressing belief that we have already witnessed the last one. And then after few months of silence - CK3 announcement, lol.

I was firm believer of third expansion for a long time, now I am not sure. I'm third expansion agnostic, I'll believe it when I see it. The game is already feature bloated with countless mechanics, few more 'necessary' civs could be as well added with DLCs and few last minor features with a bunch of patches, there have been 4 years since release and two expansions...

Don't get me wrong, it would really feel anticlimactic if civ6 ended here - especially if we didn't get .dll code - but I'm not taking about what should be done.

I am still a firm believer in "Additional Content" coming but I am now less certain about XP3 vs. multiple-DLCs then I was back in mid-December. The "Season Ticket" discussion and the 9 new hidden achievements have me rethinking the delivery method of that content.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I remember how people on Crusader Kings 2 forums were goddamn certain there are going to be many more expansions and downvoting anyone expressing belief that we have already witnessed the last one. And then after few months of silence - CK3 announcement, lol.

I was firm believer of third expansion for a long time, now I am not sure. I'm third expansion agnostic, I'll believe it when I see it. The game is already feature bloated with countless mechanics, few more 'necessary' civs could be as well added with DLCs and few last minor features with a bunch of patches, there have been 4 years since release and two expansions...

Don't get me wrong, it would really feel anticlimactic if civ6 ended here - especially if we didn't get .dll code - but I'm not taking about what should be done.

I'm long past agnosticism on Civ VI.

I think they may have planned some kind of 'additional content' package - maybe not a complete third expansion with a half-dozen new Civs and bells and whistles, but Something.

But now, the Civ franchise is facing some major competition in its own sphere of Historical 4X for the first time in years and years. Not just Humankind, but Soren Johnson's Ten Crowns (which called for Alpha Testers in November, so is definitely in development after two years of near-total silence) and the new Settlers game from UbiSoft, which looks suspiciously like, at least, a Colonization-type game and may include enough Civ-Building features to compete directly with Civ.

All that is enough to make anyone reconsider their development path: there is no sense in bringing out a third expansion for a game that is considered passe' or second-tier compared to its newer competition.

There may be something still in the 'pipeline' that will get shoved out, but I wouldn't bet on an Expansion: more like a (maybe) fat DLC at best.

On the other hand, I'd bet that Civ VII development has had a kick in the kazoo as a result of the sudden increase in competition looming up next year. AND I'd bet that there is a lot more consideration being given to massive changes in the way Civ does things as a result of different mechanisms being shown or speculated about in the competition - and commented on in former 'Civ-Only' Forums like this one.

 

[AntSou]

I remember how people on Crusader Kings 2 forums were goddamn certain there are going to be many more expansions and downvoting anyone expressing belief that we have already witnessed the last one. And then after few months of silence - CK3 announcement, lol.

But is anyone surprised they are making a CK3 title? It's the same with EUV. Well within the realm of possibility.

Civ VII announcement is of course also possible, but a good chunk of us would just react with "WTH? why?". A better example would be if paradox announced Stellaris 2.

In any case, I put the "nothing else coming other than patches" well within what's possible. It' not so much "no more content for Civ VI" that sounds unrealistic to me as much as "we're releasing Civ VII".

 

[Jkchart]

I'm long past agnosticism on Civ VI.

I think they may have planned some kind of 'additional content' package - maybe not a complete third expansion with a half-dozen new Civs and bells and whistles, but Something.

But now, the Civ franchise is facing some major competition in its own sphere of Historical 4X for the first time in years and years. Not just Humankind, but Soren Johnson's Ten Crowns (which called for Alpha Testers in November, so is definitely in development after two years of near-total silence) and the new Settlers game from UbiSoft, which looks suspiciously like, at least, a Colonization-type game and may include enough Civ-Building features to compete directly with Civ.

All that is enough to make anyone reconsider their development path: there is no sense in bringing out a third expansion for a game that is considered passe' or second-tier compared to its newer competition.

There may be something still in the 'pipeline' that will get shoved out, but I wouldn't bet on an Expansion: more like a (maybe) fat DLC at best.

On the other hand, I'd bet that Civ VII development has had a kick in the kazoo as a result of the sudden increase in competition looming up next year. AND I'd bet that there is a lot more consideration being given to massive changes in the way Civ does things as a result of different mechanisms being shown or speculated about in the competition - and commented on in former 'Civ-Only' Forums like this one.

A fat DLC/small expansion would be plenty. Gathering Storm was a great size, wonderful shake up. If they wanted to add a couple more mechanics, sure, but we don't need that level. The game is in a pretty great place, despite many of our complaints and individual desires (but what else do you expect when thousands of different people play this game?)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

A fat DLC/small expansion would be plenty. Gathering Storm was a great size, wonderful shake up. If they wanted to add a couple more mechanics, sure, but we don't need that level. The game is in a pretty great place, despite many of our complaints and individual desires (but what else do you expect when thousands of different people play this game?)

I wouldn't of expected another expansion on that level either. Though I would honestly pay for another expansion even it was just 8 more civs with an alt leader and no new features or content.

 

[CPWimmer]

I wouldn't of expected another expansion on that level either. Though I would honestly pay for another expansion even it was just 8 more civs with an alt leader and no new features or content.

I really wanted to reply to this that "it depended on the price."

But to be honest with myself, I would too. I'd feel bad about it, but I'd do it.

 

[acluewithout]

I've actually been over it for about two weeks. I'm reasonably sure Civ6 is dead and buried and they're treading water. I don't know what's next or when, but any hype is, for me, dead.

1. Video: "We are not done." 2. Release patch. 3. Done.

I am still a firm believer in "Additional Content" coming but I am now less certain about XP3 vs. multiple-DLCs then I was back in mid-December. The "Season Ticket" discussion and the 9 new hidden achievements have me rethinking the delivery method of that content.

A fat DLC/small expansion would be plenty. Gathering Storm was a great size, wonderful shake up. If they wanted to add a couple more mechanics, sure, but we don't need that level. The game is in a pretty great place, despite many of our complaints and individual desires (but what else do you expect when thousands of different people play this game?)

We're getting something. But beyond that, I have no idea what, or when, or whether it will be worth the wait.

There's room for more. There's scope for the game to be supported long term. People are willing to pay for more (although, I guess only FXS have the hard data on that). But, whether or not FXS will (or even can or want to) keep working on this game, I can't say.

And yes, I'm pretty fed up with the waiting. As much as I'd really like more content - and would be very disappointed if we're not getting any or not getting much - the think I most want is just clarity about whether the game is getting supported or is "done". If we're "done", I'll be sad, but can at least work with what I have and look to Mods[0] to fill in the remaining gaps.

[0] On that. Seems to me the lack of .dll suggests FXS do have long term plans for Civ 6. But again, given the delays to any announcement, who knows?

TL;DR. @FXS, stop jerking everyone around. You're either doing something more (yes please) or not (boo!). I know which I'd prefer, but it's okay either way I guess. But all this "we're not done" etc. and then long stretches of silence really isn't much fun at this point. Just say one way or the other guys.

 

[returnofbabylon]

If you leave a communication vacuum, it will get filled with speculation. If you don't deliver on that speculation, people are going to be upset, and you don't really have much scope to complain about unrealistic expectations, as you didn't provide any guidance. I'm sure 2K/FXS have their reasons for doing it like this, but this is one of the downsides of the strategy, and it has real consequences.

I still think it's very likely that we're going to get more content for Civ VI. I'm far less confident than I've ever been that that content is going to appeal to me enough to make me purchase it, as the focus seems to be moving more and more to multiplayer/consoles. But what I'd really like is any idea whatsoever on how much more money I might need to drop on this game and when. And the more vague that idea is (we're doing a season pass! there'll be bundles for some unspecified amount of time with unknown contents!) the less I'm going to be willing to fork that money over.

Also: this game came out over 3 years ago, and I've spent over $100 on it, and I haven't been able to make it take up my entire screen for months, and have had to change my usual desktop display settings to make the game playable at all. If there's been a fix to this that's been ready for some time and they're delaying implementation so they can update all the platforms at the same time (which seems to be the most likely explanation), they're really going out of their way to make me feel like I'm a sucker for not waiting to buy the game in its complete edition when it's on sale.

 

[pdome01]

I dont get it. Dont expansions usually take a year or more to get done. Gathering Storm hasnt even been out for a year. Are they really taking a long time?!

 

[The Kingmaker]

I'm not giving up hope. There's many reasonable explanations for the delay. Some possibilities:

1) FXS had to delay whatever new content was planned due to the recent release across multiple new platforms, which all had to be brought up to the same level first.
2) 2K has some wonky corporate release schedule that they're making FXS adhere to because <reasons>, so new content will come... when we're not expecting it.
3) FXS has devoted more staff to working on the rumored new 3rd IP project, leaving less staff to work on older projects, hence, a longer production time.
4) FXS is just taking their own sweet time. They'll have it done when it's good and ready, and not before! Gosh!
5) Any combination of the above.