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but they might vote in FR (and i'd lose pacificism) or even worse, emancipation! please don't guys! you're already in it anyway, and i have no problem with the :mad: faces, i want my unlimited artists. *crosses fingers*

I hope you will win too. Just don't forget: theater+globle theater = 5 artists, still a good GA farm.
 
HOF Gauntlets are great because you can have multiple attempts at the same one, you can play it the way you want to (within reason) and you can discuss them with other people as you go without worrying about spoilers.

I know you understand the difference between HoF & Gauntlet games. But the thing is that they are really different, and the difference is the point. If you want to compete on the HoF gauntlet stuff, you have to pick a good map, pick your leader, and pick your opponents. And even then you might not win :cry: But there's no point in doing the ... hesitate ... testosterone thing of feeling like a wuss if you don't just take what the game throws at you. You have to embrace the rules and play them. It's actually quite interesting to do it that way and you do learn stuff that you can take back to the straight games. But there's no point competing and then hobbling your own legs. The game is what it is - and GotM etc provide opportunities to do the other thing.
 
it's 1592 AD atm, no signs of apollo but i can't see where they are techs at all except that hatty told me to fear her SAM infantry.

1592 and they're on *SAMs* ???? The map in a general sense must be extraordinarily favourable, resulting in huge tech strides for all ...

I have never seen this in any of my games - and I've seen 1592AD a few times, you know, in passing, while I'm waiting for my stuff to pan out (which is generally another half-century or more :( ) Well ... good luck :)
 
I haven't seen SAMs in any of my 16 attempts at this game. One of your AIs must have been visited by aliens who shared advanced technology with them.
 
is that very fast??? we all shared tech pretty much all along, even the ones that thought the other ones were heathens got along well until cyrus DoWd mansa. i tech traded like a human version of mansa once i was sure i could get lib first, like i always do. it's monarch/large/epic, i double checked when i started and just now quadruple checked after y'all said that *giggle*. i didn't think it was fast. this is the first time i've gone much past liberalism in trying this gauntlet so i have no sense of scale here :lol:. oh boy. well, her SAMs aren't aimed at me! she is in fact pleased with everyone.

this was my favorite part. screenshot included so spoilered to save pain for slow-connection folks.
Spoiler :

i'm used to seeing machine guns and infantry in their cities while i have warriors in mind. but check out gandhi's great artist coming to try to save his city swallowed in my culture (it did not work, i razed it later):

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even his great artist is more technologically advanced that mine are :eek:! i'm certain that my people won't revolt to join another empire due to culture being better than mine. but sheesh, i'm in trouble if my great artists decide to move somewhere else because they're sick of their old fashioned clothes!
 
But there's no point in doing the ... hesitate ... testosterone thing of feeling like a wuss if you don't just take what the game throws at you.

It’s not about testosterone at all.

It’s about:
1. Regenerating maps and/or using a tool to automate that are foreign concepts to me (I’ve never done it any version of Civ) and I don’t feel any compulsion to do it.
2. I’m not playing HoF to get the top score (mainly because I could never undertake the massive micromanagement required to get the top score).
3. Main reason to play HoF is to force myself to play without reloading.
4. Second reason to play HoF is that Quattromaster is a great structure for seeing if I can win in all the various categories (whilst playing with my own silly random maps)
5. Third reason is that all the discussion on these Boards adds an extra dimension of interest to the game.
 
I finished my 1-st attempt 1-st half 16 century. I have played wery slow (more than 14 ours) and with great pleasure - there was no time to play within almost 2 month.
 
I finally found a map I was happy with! I might actually finish a game of Civ for once...
 
Screenshot please.
It was actually nothing to write home about. Great Plains, midnorth with five or six cows, second and third cities nearby with Stone and Marble.

Map itself isn't that great, it's great to me because I played it for two hours without totally blowing it yet. :lol:
 
Mid North GP, that should have a gem or two.
AI got to them before I did. Actually, the marble and stone didn't wind up helping too much either, as I got beat to a lot of wonders including the Oracle and the Parthenon. Still, I wound up with nine towns and three religions before getting boxed in, and my research lead is marginal but profitable in tech trading, so I feel like I've got a chance. Not sure when I'll cut research off, but focusing on Liberalism right now...
 
1592 and they're on *SAMs* ???? The map in a general sense must be extraordinarily favourable, resulting in huge tech strides for all ...

so okay, i thought that game was going well but obviously it's lost already, i just didn't realize it, so i'll give up on it :lol:. i scrolled back in this thread and i see people talk about so-and-so was building casings in 19xx, well, gandhi built apollo 1600ish in mine. i got a refund for the hammers i'd put into SoL when gandhi finished it in early 1400s. 1622 was the last turn played, and then read i the boards after dinner and decided to pack that one in. what a bummer, i had no idea they were supergenius mutant freaks! all the peaceful games i've played lately were on deity, so i'm just used to them being really smart, it seemed natural *giggle*. i did learn a lot tho. like, i ended up with way too many cities, and didn't need to grab so many early on. i razed at least 6 flips, kept 3 or 4 for resources/wonders, and kept atlanta then gave it back, the national epic one. george really shouldn't have taken atlanta back. it revolts within 15 turns of recovering from the last revolt, every time, over and over again :lol:. and it's on the F8 screen as having over 8k culture, he is trying mind you! i built only one world wonder (parthenon) but all 3 of my big 3 were on the top 5 cities list, take that brainiacs! :). culture got me 3 other world wonders, including two that weren't doing freddy any good at the time, but were great for me (spiral minaret when he was in FR, and hagia sophia which was obsolete for him). so i had a good time, even tho i'm such a noob i didn't even have the teensiest tiniest slightest clue they weren't supposed to be that smart yet on this level.

i don't have autolog saving enabled, but going by the names i put on my manual game saves, looks like i got lib at about 650 ADish (i was first) which doesn't look early in comparison to this thread so the "hyper fast tech" switch got flipped on sometime after that, but heck if i know how. of course i couldn't see it, i never did research chemistry since i didn't want to obsolete my parthenon.

i don't go with the list of opponents i see quoted here over and over. but that by itself can't possibly explain the incredible difference in how fast they were vs how the typical dates AI hit stuff i'm reading about as i scroll back in this thread. i'm using warlords, and i don't know if the people listing their opponents mean vanilla or warlords. people say catherine and personally i cannot stand her in any type of game! i've kicked victoria and roosevelt out entirely, they've backstabbed me too often at Friendly just because i'm low on the power graph. not real often, but when it does happen it's game over so bye bye vicky you are not invited.

i threw in augustus in the mix for the first time this last try. he worked great. nobody disliked him and he was really sweet with "can you spare this for a friend" money handouts. but i've never once seen anybody mention him here as a choice. cyrus i knew i'd have to be careful with, and it almost didn't work, since he kept demanding stuff and i didn't give in, bless mansa's heart for being the target instead of me!

only thing i know for sure is that i want to be spiritual this time, i missed it so bad as liz. so that means mansa or gandhi, and whichever i pick, i'll wish i was the other. so, i'll be gandhi, since i prefer his UU and his civ color. here goes nothing...
 
Catherine declared war on me. Game abandoned...
 
i scrolled back in this thread and i see people talk about so-and-so was building casings in 19xx, well, gandhi built apollo 1600ish in mine.

In my last game Mansa finished Apollo in 1529. Thankfully I won less than two decades later, in 1547. Gave me quite a shock though. It still interests me how this game using US can be so close to my result not using US (1574). I think the dates would be almost identical, if it were not for the fact that my US-using game had a much better start and better GP production. I am begging to doubt whether teching to democracy was worth it after all.

In terms of diplomacy, is anyone else not having any problems with the AI's? I've worker stolen and still not had any relationship problems. It's just so easy to get fair trade bonuses. Or am I just getting lucky?
 
In terms of diplomacy, is anyone else not having any problems with the AI's? I've worker stolen and still not had any relationship problems. It's just so easy to get fair trade bonuses. Or am I just getting lucky?

I have given a lot of attention to diplomacy.

I stole workers at 3 AI at the beginning of my game. Later 2 of them was destroyed completly (Brenus in 1800BC, Mao in 1000AD). I have distributed my state religion to all AI, except for one - Hanni. (by the way: I got 6 religion.) Hanni lives far away from me. I did not have common borders with him. I had very good relations with all my neighbours: 5AI was friendly to me. When Hanni has declared war to me, all my 5 neighbours have declared war to him (under my request) . I did not have common borders with Hanni - therefore I have not seen its armies at all.

At the finish of my game I got defensive pacts with 2 AI and friendly relations with 4 AI, pleased - with 1 AI. So I did not have serious war problem within my game.
 
so okay, i thought that game was going well but obviously it's lost already, i just didn't realize it, so i'll give up on it

Why?????? Don't do that, keep on playing, you are flipping a lot of cities so you can't be too far away from 75000c. They are advanced? so what? I have seen 1200AD UN before, you just keep on 100% culture, strait ahead, don't look back.

In my second game I am keeping my tech advantage to myself... so much that nobody has MC in 600AD. It is a mistake. If I have the time to play another attempt, I'll be gifting each and every tech I have.

This is consuming too much time. My GOTM submission is in jeopardize already, but really I want to play this gauntlet.
 
Why?????? Don't do that, keep on playing, you are flipping a lot of cities so you can't be too far away from 75000c. They are advanced? so what? I have seen 1200AD UN before, you just keep on 100% culture, strait ahead, don't look back.

well you saying there's a chance does give me hope, thank you :). if an emancipation vote passes i won't make it tho. the early 2 are spitting out a ton of culture on their own, but the GA Farm will need at least 3 more artists, and i just can't get them in time from any other city if i can't run caste, and it's debatable even if i can. i'm not even sure 3 will do it, i'm definitely not as good as knowing the dates and planning things out as you and WT are. *crossing my fingers*. what i do love is that i stole hagia sophia/spiral minaret city, the second city he built so it had to have quite a bit of culture in it, from the side of my empire that doesn't have any of my big 3 cities :lol:! i put some culture over there just to ensure freddy didn't intrude my terrritory too much, and when that slider went up, he had no chance on the border really :).

In terms of diplomacy, is anyone else not having any problems with the AI's? I've worker stolen and still not had any relationship problems. It's just so easy to get fair trade bonuses. Or am I just getting lucky?

i don't worker steal. i wish i understood how you guys pull off the worker stealing thing, since i'd love free workers! but i've never tried it, i'm not a brave soul, and i just know it would wreck my game forever as far as politics *giggle*.

diplomacy is flat-out critical for how i approach this gauntlet. i mentioned what a jerkface cyrus was being, and how scared i was, because that's not rare, that's unheard of. earning enough negatives with someone to be at cautious while simultaneously having +4 fair/forthright was a completely new experience for me. i wasn't even a heathen, i was still in NSR! i had pissed him off way too many times :lol:. i think this was only the second time i put cyrus in as an opponent, i guess he's just a bad choice.

surprise DoWs from nowhere i have had happen. i depend on Pleased status to protect me from that given my guaranteed low power rating. i have permanently black-listed the leaders most likely to declare at pleased. victoria, who most seem to love having in their games, is one who is not invited to my parties, she's done it twice. altho she's not very warlike in general, she is really vicious backstabber in disguise (i'm telling the truth but yeah i'm kinda bitter still), and will declare at pleased on days the RNG or her mood tells her it might be fun. since that doesn't fit in with my strategy of how to not get declared on, and there are several leaders guaranteed not to declare at pleased, that's a showstopper, bye-bye vicky.

if you watched me play this gauntlet up to the point i turn off research, i doubt you'd be able to guess whether i'm going for diplo or culture other than the techs/wonders i concentrate on; i study the diplo screens that much :lol:. it's easy to get the bonuses but for me that's not getting lucky. i want to be 100% sure iget those bonuses, i know that after a certain point i will not be able to get any new ones, unless they demand something civic/religion wise and i can give in (i love being spiritual). so i need to earn them early. and i have "hand out free tech" time when i get the pre-req for something i CBA to research myself but need as a prereq later, like machinery. when i finally get metalcasting in a trade from somebody, i hand it out like candy and hope someone gets mach and trades it to me so that i can get PP later. that's something i do in diplo games, to speed up global tech pace, but not in my non-gauntlet games where i actually, like, wanna be smarter than they are.

just my own 2 :commerce:, earned while building my own workers
 
You'd think that with running a Hall of Fame I'd know how to play this game better, but I can't even pull off the CS Slingshot on this one...
 
You'd think that with running a Hall of Fame I'd know how to play this game better, but I can't even pull off the CS Slingshot on this one...

i never can. well, ok the settler minor i did. but i've just resolved myself to take CoL and be happy. current try i missed the oracle but was first to CoL. not getting CS slingshot is not going to lose you the game, even tho i'm not an expert, and haven't won this gauntlet yet i can guarantee you that.

i'd never be able to run a Hall of Fame. remember no nukes is good nukes, culture not clobbering. if you research fusion i will be disappointed; if you research fission i just might mutiny and try to post a poll about your fitness to run HoF buster! ;) keep at it and good luck.
 
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