[GS] Gathering Storm Leader Ability Elimination Thread

[lotrmith]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [7]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [9]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [17]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
34. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15] = 14 + 1 I disagree about the usefulness of this ability. Investment in religion has had huge payoffs ever since Monumentality was introduced. And Moshka. This ability further rewards you for having built holy sites and temples by letting you faith-buy the worship building for 1/10 of its usual cost. It's practically free.
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21] (24-3)
38. Shaka - Amabutho [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15] = 18 - 3. A plains lumber mill is okay if you've used grassland cattle or something to continue to grow and support the use of the plains mill, but on its own that one food isn't enough to grow a city. A tundra lumber mill is markedly worse than a plains lumber mill, because you'll have no grassland to support a growing population and, in all likelihood, you'll be required to make builders and use charges to turn worthless one food tundra tiles into equally worthless two food tundra farms. For that effort you're better off working two tundra mills and just capping at 2 population.

I'm sad to see Phillip go. +4 Combat strength is a free card (Wars of Religion) which you can stack with to make for +8. The idea is you conquer a city of another religion by leveraging this bonus, then use an Inquisitor to completely wipe that foreign religion (eliminating the negative religuous loyalty penalty too).

 

[Lord Lakely]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [8] (7+1). I'm baffled by how much this ability has been downvoted. +40% district production a desert city in exchange for one (1!) builder charge is nothing to sneeze at. +20% for FREE isn't bad either. Surely there are worse abilities than this one still in the running.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6] (9-3). Worse abilities such as this one. +2 Gold from international trade is a pathetic bonus. It's basically Caravansaries (a card you'd only use when strapped for cash) except you also give free food to your opponents!! Most trade bonuses are underpowered (the only exception is Pachacuti), and this one is likewise. The alliance points are nice I guess.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [17]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[BenitoChavez]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [8]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [14] = 17 - 3. The Move Capital project into the colonial taxes policy and Casa De Contracion strategy requires time and bit of luck in order to pull off. First off the Move Capital project tends to require a lot of production and getting that production in a coastal city not on your original continent requires some decent, uninhabited land and an a lot of investment into that city. Next getting Casa De Contracion isn't guaranteed on higher difficulties. And even if you do all of that, colonial taxes doesn't come until the industrial era which is quite a ways into the game. It can be powerful if you pull it off but other civs have equally powerful strategies that come earlier and are easier to implement.
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22] = 21 + 1. As soon as you get a Corp/Army it becomes and unstoppable wrecking ball of death and destruction. Get a whole army of these and you've basically won the game.
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Equilin]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [8]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [14]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [18] (21-3) - nice, but use limited governor titles which already have a strict queue.
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23] (22+1) - important part of what makes the civ so good. heal on kill saves a lot of time and extra strength is always welcome
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Kwami]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [8]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7] (6 + 1) This is insanity. Cleo's ability is really good! It's actually +4 gold per turn for international trade routes that you create, not +2. You also get the +2 gold from foreign trade routes, which makes Egypt an attractive trading partner, which leads to more trade. More trade is more gold with Reyna, better diplomatic relationships, more roads, etc. And, I mean, +4 gpt from every trade route that you create. That's a lot of gold and it comes very early in the game. The alliance points aren't bad, either.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11] (14 - 3) The move capital project is just too expensive to really make this ability work in most games. It's just not that good.
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [18]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

EDIT: Updated for simultaneous votes.

 

[Architect]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5] I've played alot of games as this leader and the nubian pyramid bonus is terrible. To pretend, just like the Hungarian civ bonus these terrain based bonuses occur frequently enough to matter is not based in reality of how the game plays. I maybe have had 20% of my cities be able to place a pyramid where this bonus starts to apply. Play 10 games to 100 turns of this civilization and come back and tell us the pyramid placement made a difference.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [19] (18 + 1) Just finished a diety domination game with these guys. Serasker is the best domination governor promotion in the game period. For 2 promotions you get +10 CS to attacks against districts in a 10 tile radius. This is a long way. I'm not sure what juicier promotions might be had for a domination civ that you are missing out on. This made city assaults stupid easy all game long because +10 is always the same increase no matter the unit or the era. The Jannisary is 50% production and resource cost of a musketman so super cheap. With a free promotion they are just ridiculous. I was capturing cities losing no population, putting Ibraham down and getting 4 turn jannisaries in a occupied city. People have not played this leader if they are downvoting for the reasons being said.
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Krajzen]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [1-3= eliminated]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [15+1=16]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [19]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]


Pachacuti - not the worst ability but he's dead anyway so let me finish his suffering. Also the least useful from three trade route abilities - only domestic, only food, and only if you send from mountain heavy city... And even with Incan abilities mountain tiles are worse than regular tiles. Mountain Portal is very cool in theory but rarely useful in practice.

Saladin - worship buildings are quite good and with Saladin not only they can be built almost for free (and remember you have access to them guaranteed) but also they give a city permanent +10% to science, culture and faith. Why is this ability rated so low again?

 

[Ziad]

Move Capital is expensive precisely because it's so strong. Your new city gets capital bonuses, you get a whole continent coast to yolo with, and the consolation prize for your previous capital city is a set of bonuses equivalent to an uber wonder for most of your cities if you only slot one card.

But whatevs

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16 - 3 = 13] Like Trajan, fails to scale enough to be relevant. Easy to be made effectively useless if you dont get the proper inspirations.
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26 + 1 = 27] Actually remains relevant
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [6]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [16]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [19]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[BenitoChavez]

Alexander got dropped from the list. He should be at 24 points.

 

[BarbarianHunter]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [3] (6-3) --- Not a bad ability, but nothing particularly special relative to the competition either. Now if the gold was +3 per camp or pasture, playing a game as £Poundmaker would cross my mind more often than it does.
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [16]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [20] (19+1) --- As per previous comment, Serasker makes short work of enemy districts.
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Weraptor]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [18]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [0] (3-3) ELIMINATED - map dependent and all in all not that significant.
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17] (16+1) As Arabia, you are not going out of your way getting religion, and you can easily % boost your cities with science, faith and culture in mid game, after more important districts are placed down.
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [20]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Tinkerture]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [15] (18-3) The culture bomb bonus is good, but situational and has had limited use in the games I've played. The relic bonus requires you to either lose apostles in theological combat, trade for them, or find them in goody huts. All of which is also situational.
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [30]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21] (20+1) Like Alexander, Suleiman gives access to a potent unique unit. The governor also provides for a powerful and flexible way not just wage wars, but to mitigate their consequences.
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[enKage]

RIP Poundmaker. Utilising the ability requires different trade approach to usual one. It is not strong enough to stay on the list, but definitely better than Cleo and Mansa if played right.

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [11]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [15]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17] 20-3 Sounds better than works. Cree's trade routes are far better and Cree get also halfsatelites in medieval, but are gone. Doesn't work well with other Mali abilities - or in this case disability. Malus on production means you want internal trade routes, Mansa's ability works on international routes only and international routes even buffed are worse than internal before democracy.
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31] 30+1 There is noone I want immediately rescue, so can give Qin better lead. Qin + Liang + Mids (and bonus for building Mids) = 6 charges. 8 past feudalism. Enough :]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
38. Shaka - Amabutho [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[NullNullError]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5] Not gonna downvote this more as I wanna switch up my votes a bit. Still don't understand why anyone likes this.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [7]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]11+1 I just have a weakness for all them naval civs and anything that encourages setteling new continents is always a huge plus in my view. Not really upvoting on strength basis more on I like that kinda style.
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12] 15-3 If only her Bonus would extend to artifacts I could convince myself to keep her arround a lot longer kinda sad that she is so restricted. Hope she gets a buff in the near future.
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17] On the case of Saladin vs Seondeok I think Saladins abiltiy is almost always straight up better unless you stay on 4 or less cities which is just a bad decision. Building many Faith districts isn't really bad for a science win as you can use the faith to purchase so many settlers and builders. Faith is currently really strong as long you don't use it to spread your religion. Just take the culture equal to faith output and you can forgo the culture districts.
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [18]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [12]

 

[WillowBrook]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [8] (7+1) the gold here outshines Seondeok's tiny bonuses, IMO
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [15] (18-3) I'm not trying to pick on her, but no one's pointed out how her bonus is better than anyone else who's left. I'll vote her up a point if someone makes a convincing argument before my next vote.
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Tinkerture]

Null, Laurier's line needs to be corrected to just say 15. I think that's an artifact from when I was considering voting Canada down but changed my mind and apparently didn't fully correct it. I've fixed it in my post. Apologies.

 

[bbbt]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [5]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [8]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [17] I was very skeptical of the strength of this initially, but playing with it it's very strong when used in concert with other loyalty mechanics. The only reason I didn't get a totally peaceful Dom victory is because I got a culture win first.
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12] 15-3 Just very boring and passive.
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Datgingah]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6] (5+1) 20% to districts is not the most visible buff but it is always useful. The conditional 40% is great but unnecessary for me to think this ability is way better then people are giving credit for.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [8]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14] (17-3) The fact that you won a culture victory first is indicative that her ability is not suited to useful play. Fun but I'd rather have any other ability on the list here then this one.
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [29]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Icicle]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [8]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [14] (17-3) There are many bad abilities left. This is one of them.
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30] (29+1) Not many things in the game as broken as this one though.
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]

 

[Troy Bruckner]

1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [8]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [15] (14+1) Mali is a top 10 Civ, but none of it's units or abilities rate well with the players. Something doesn't add up
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica 17 [20]-3 the Ai does its best to hide additional continents from me when I play England
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]