Gaulish and Celts mod ?

[frenchman]

Hello, I have just finished to read a book on the gaulish war against Jules Cesar and the romans... It was not only about the gaulish but too about the celts ... I liked it so much ( I didn't know that celts have invented so many stuffs ) that I decided to work on a mod ...

Your help, ideas and advices are welcome !!

Here you will find the state of this project : Edited 09/08/2004


The TITLE : Celts - Romans, the 1000 years war

ERAs : 4

- ERA 1 : beginning of the civs, tech tree :
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/ERA1.jpg
- ERA 2 : Bronze Age
- ERA 3 : Steel Age
- ERA 4 : Post-steel Age

Map :

A big map with Ireland, England , France , a part of Italy , a part of Spain and a part of Germany

Technologies :

ERA 1 :
- salt mining ( posted see my library )
- Olive tree working ( posted )
- Grindstone for Olives ( posted )

ERA 2 :
- "murus gallicus" ( posted see my library )
- Celt's currency ( posted see my library )
- Glass working (posted see my library )
- Chainmail ( posted see my library ) : needs steel working

ERA 3 :
- Steel working ( posted see my library )
- Mosaic creation ( posted )

ERA 4
- threshing machine

Wonders :

ERA 1
- Dun Ailine sanctuary ( Celts - Ireland ) religious structure ( posted )

Resources :

- horses ( ERA 1 : needs equitation )
- gold
- copper ( ERA 1 : needs metal mining )
- tin ( ERA 1 : needs metal mining )
- iron ( ERA 2 )
- glass ( ERA 2 )
- wood
- stones
- olive oil ( lux res ) : needs Olive tree working and grindstone for Olives
- wine : (ERA 1 : needs vine working and grape pressing )
- beer : ERA 1
- glass things ( lux res ) : ( ERA 3 : needs glassworking )
- silver
- sheep ( ERA 1 : needs domestication )
- cattle ( ERA 1 : needs domestication )
- wild pig
- salt ( lux res ) : ( ERA 1 : needs salt mining )
- Luxury pottery : ( ERA 2 )

Civilizations :

France
- 1 civ : The Arvern with Vercingetorix
- 1 civ : The Aedui with Divitiacus the druid
- 1 civ : The Carnutes with a Druid leader

Helvetics: 1 civ with Orgetorix

Ireland

- 1 civ with Conaire Mac Ederscel

Brittany

- 1 civ : the Iceni with Boudicca
- 1 civ : the Catuvellauni with Cunobelinus

Scotland

- 1 civ with Picts

Others
- 1 civ : The Romans with Caesar
- 1 civ : The Greeks ( south of France ) with Protis
- 1 civ : The Germans with Ariovistus of the Seubi

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I'm doing some 5th Century leaderheads at the moment, some of which might fit for the scenario. Sounds interesting!!

 

[frenchman]

I'm doing some 5th Century leaderheads at the moment, some of which might fit for the scenario. Sounds interesting!!

I have just seen your leaders... great as always ... I need several gaulish and celt leaders for this mod ... For example, I'm thinking to have the "Eduens" ( not sure in english ... ) these gaulish people were the allies of the romans..
I think I could use some of the leaders you made and I have seen ...

For the moment, i'm thinking to :

- Jules Cesar ( of course )
- Vercingetorix for the Arverns
- A leader for the Eduens
- A leader for the Greeks ( in Marseille - Massalia )
- A leader for the Germans
- A leader for the Celts in England
- A leader for the Celts in Ireland
- A leader for the Carnutes ( Druids ? )

 

[Tathlum]

If you gimme a year you want to set it in I can look up the name of the High-king of Ireland, in the annals for the leader of the Irish Celts (Gaels). Do you want 50's BC or a hypothetical time the Romans could have invaded by? How about Conaire Mac Ederscel, high king of Ireland in the Decade after the Gallic wars?

For thr Britons, how about Boudicca of the Iceni, or even better Cunobelinus of the Catuvellauni? When you say Eduens, is that the french version of Aedui? For Germans how about Germans Ariovistus of the Seubi, who fought Ceaser?

 

[pinktilapia]

Hello Frenchman,

Do you plan to make a mod focused on the Celts as the playable civ? We just started to discuss another mod on the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire where the Celts would have their word to say as well, although the player should incarnate the Romans.

Here!

I planned to keep the 'barbarians tribes' very primitive (that is including the Celts! ), but I am all ear to learn about their achievements and how the roman did benefit from them (or not) once Caesar has come through.

Maybe can we work in parallel!

 

[frenchman]

If you gimme a year you want to set it in I can look up the name of the High-king of Ireland, in the annals for the leader of the Irish Celts (Gaels). Do you want 50's BC or a hypothetical time the Romans could have invaded by? How about Conaire Mac Ederscel, high king of Ireland in the Decade after the Gallic wars?

For thr Britons, how about Boudicca of the Iceni, or even better Cunobelinus of the Catuvellauni? When you say Eduens, is that the french version of Aedui? For Germans how about Germans Ariovistus of the Seubi, who fought Ceaser?

Your help and knowledge on Celts are welcome.... I think that AEDUI is right , I will check in my books ..I'm thinking of a mod which could go through 4 ages from 600 BC to 500 AD for example ... For example my "Murus Gallicus" technology could appear in the second ages ...
I will edit my first post with your suggestions ...

 

[frenchman]

Hello Frenchman,

Do you plan to make a mod focused on the Celts as the playable civ? We just started to discuss another mod on the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire where the Celts would have their word to say as well, although the player should incarnate the Romans.

Here!

I planned to keep the 'barbarians tribes' very primitive (that is including the Celts! ), but I am all ear to learn about their achievements and how the roman did benefit from them (or not) once Caesar has come through.

Maybe can we work in parallel!

Hello Pinktalapia ! My mod would be focused on the Celts civilizations in France, Ireland, and England with Rome, Greek in South France and Germans ...I'm thinking to a big map with Ireland, UK, and France. A map where you have the "Rhone" river which could be used by galley up to Lyon.
2 squares of sea for example.. We can work in parallel , I have already posted three new tech choosed icons for this mod ...

 

[pinktilapia]

Good! I could use salt mining as well. BTW, steel? Celts must have masterized iron working from the Greek by VIIIth century BC or so, but steel comes way later, well after the Romans are gone.
I hope someone will design Celtic cities, taking models with places like Castle Maiden. It would look great for a walled settlement!

 

[frenchman]

Good! I could use salt mining as well. BTW, steel? Celts must have masterized iron working from the Greek by VIIIth century BC or so, but steel comes way later, well after the Romans are gone.
I hope someone will design Celtic cities, taking models with places like Castle Maiden. It would look great for a walled settlement!

Good remark ... ... I was thinking iron ...

 

[Tathlum]

No, Celts used Charcoal when making weapons so accidentally had Steel coated Blades, so steel-making is fine. They didn't know they were making steel but knew the best way to make a sword blade. In fact accidentally making steel was quite common. India also did it and I'm sure a lot of others did too. And besides that I disagree that they MUST have learnt Iron working from the Greeks, what was to prevent them discovering it on their own, or of the Hittites etc...

 

[Tathlum]

Right Aedui it is then. In that case I recon the leader should be the Druid Divitiacus. Druid commanded huge power and this guy met Ceaser and went to Rome seeking aid.

Do you want more Gallic tribes and leaders?

If you're spreading out the Timeline would you like me to pick a more famous/colourfull king for the Gaels, or stick to Conaire?

Since I chose a Druid leader for the Aedui, do you still want a Druid leader for the Carnutes?

Any other way I can help?

EDIT: I have no Idea who the leader of Massilia should be..Sorry

 

[frenchman]

Right Aedui it is then. In that case I recon the leader should be the Druid Divitiacus. Druid commanded huge power and this guy met Ceaser and went to Rome seeking aid.

Do you want more Gallic tribes and leaders?

If you're spreading out the Timeline would you like me to pick a more famous/colourfull king for the Gaels, or stick to Conaire?

Since I chose a Druid leader for the Aedui, do you still want a Druid leader for the Carnutes?

Any other way I can help?

EDIT: I have no Idea who the leader of Massilia should be..Sorry

Hello Tathlum ! Thank you for your help .. I have taken Divitiacus for the Aedui.. I put Protis for the Greek this is the name of the chief of the first greeks who founded Massalia... For the Carnutes I don't know for the moment, I'm thinking to put a belgian civ to replace them ...
For the Iron/Steel question you are totally right ...For the others Ireland civs ,I have found a map with tribes and I'm looking about all that ..
To be continued ...

 

[Tathlum]

Yeah, go with the Belgae.
Your welcome BTW....

 

[mitsho]

As a Swiss I should be offended that you didn't include Orgetorix and his Helvetics (the abbreviation of Switzerland is CH = Confoederatio Helvetica = Union of the Helvetics... ). ehm which other tribe would then be in Switzerland? At the moment, I can't recall all the positions of the tribes you mentioned.

Historically they are important as they were one of the first enemies of Caesar. You just have to think of Bibracte....

And a tech you certainly have to include is a thresh machine (right word, I don't know the english word and only have a very small dixionairy with me now). Because this is one thing the romans learnt from the celts. (As I recall)

otherwise, good luck. mitsho

 

[Tathlum]

I agree the Helveti should be in. With Gaestati as their UU, using the Pictish Warrior graphics. And yes the threshing machine, Chainmail and four horn saddles were all "borrowed" from the Celts.

EDIT: Maybee we should let Frenchmen decide how many tribes he wants, before we demand the Senones, Venetti, Briganties, Boii....and on and on, there were a LOT of Celtic tribes spread from Ireland to Turkey....

 

[frenchman]

As a Swiss I should be offended that you didn't include Orgetorix and his Helvetics (the abbreviation of Switzerland is CH = Confoederatio Helvetica = Union of the Helvetics... ). ehm which other tribe would then be in Switzerland? At the moment, I can't recall all the positions of the tribes you mentioned.

Historically they are important as they were one of the first enemies of Caesar. You just have to think of Bibracte....

And a tech you certainly have to include is a thresh machine (right word, I don't know the english word and only have a very small dixionairy with me now). Because this is one thing the romans learnt from the celts. (As I recall)

otherwise, good luck. mitsho

Ok for the Helvetics and Orgetorix...

 

[frenchman]

I agree the Helveti should be in. With Gaestati as their UU, using the Pictish Warrior graphics. And yes the threshing machine, Chainmail and four horn saddles were all "borrowed" from the Celts.

EDIT: Maybee we should let Frenchmen decide how many tribes he wants, before we demand the Senones, Venetti, Briganties, Boii....and on and on, there were a LOT of Celtic tribes spread from Ireland to Turkey....

Horn saddle ? Huumm ? I don't know this new technology ... I understand that it's a saddle for horses and that it's better for the rider but ... Have you a picture ?

For the maximum number of civs , I don't know for the moment ... I think there is a limit because with a lot of civs the game is slow like a sleeping turtle ...

 

[Tathlum]

Do you want more Tribes?

EDIT: did a google image search but couldn't find one, sorry. It just has two protusions infront and behind your legs. You can't brace for a lance charge with one but gives you something to grip as you fight. Its a bit cheeky of me to say the Romans got them of us as we got them from the Scythians

 

[odintheking]

Frenchman, I just made chainmail tech for your mod.

 

[odintheking]

It's in Graphics forum