budweiser
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I like huts, especially if I start with scouts. Events are tied to what is currently going on in game. I'm not sure how 'random' the really are.
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Then read the guide on them. They're random, and if you want a game comparing opening strategies, they go from poorly implemented artificial difficulty to a FLAGRANT bad call. Huts are bad too, one person pops HBR or writing, the other a map. Well, there went the relevance of any micro decisions. Hell, on one occasion the incidence of getting a hut led to oracle ----> religion in a deity game, and avoiding a DoW where everyone else pretty much got wrecked.
Now, on to the game with a very stupid rule:
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And due to the semi-deception of saying "no shaka, don't panic" in the OP, you don't get saves from me
.Worker 1st researching AG is the painfully obvious initial action, by the way.
budweiser
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I've read the events page before, but I just read the page on events again:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=236727
The events that will be in each game are decided when the map is drawn up. EDIT: This means people playing the same map will have the same list of events.
There is a base chance each turn that an event will happen. The chance is higher as you advance in ages. So, it is desirabel to advance through the ages quickly from this point of view.
Some events have a 100 score on active. I take it this means theay are possible in every game. An example is event 20 Marathon. It has a weight of 800 which is a high weight compared to others. It triggers when "You at war with other Player, other player makes first attack on your plot". The result is a free golden age.
Thats not exactly random and it leads to a certain playstyle.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=236727
The events that will be in each game are decided when the map is drawn up. EDIT: This means people playing the same map will have the same list of events.
There is a base chance each turn that an event will happen. The chance is higher as you advance in ages. So, it is desirabel to advance through the ages quickly from this point of view.
Some events have a 100 score on active. I take it this means theay are possible in every game. An example is event 20 Marathon. It has a weight of 800 which is a high weight compared to others. It triggers when "You at war with other Player, other player makes first attack on your plot". The result is a free golden age.
Thats not exactly random and it leads to a certain playstyle.
Then read the guide on them. They're random, and if you want a game comparing opening strategies, they go from poorly implemented artificial difficulty to a FLAGRANT bad call. Huts are bad too, one person pops HBR or writing, the other a map. Well, there went the relevance of any micro decisions. Hell, on one occasion the incidence of getting a hut led to oracle ----> religion in a deity game, and avoiding a DoW where everyone else pretty much got wrecked.
Now, on to the game with a very stupid rule:
Spoiler :
And due to the semi-deception of saying "no shaka, don't panic" in the OP, you don't get saves from me
Worker 1st researching AG is the painfully obvious initial action, by the way.
Spoiler :
Okay everyone play the map as you please and see how you do. Ignore the rules i laid down.
A comparison map with events and lucky huts....
Deliberately misleading us isn't cool, either.
To be fair I started the map before I decided to see how people on here would fare on the map.
budweiser
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Unfortunately they can't be eliminated without punishing civs that start with Hunting.
They have the same list of possible events, but will experience different events. One player may have the much maligned barbarian uprising event (basically an automatic loss with nothing you can do to prevent it) while another gets the exceptionally helpful truffles and tin events and cruises to an easy victory.
The only good thing about them is that they weaken slavery, which probably had to happen somehow.
Unfortunately(?) it's not possible to remove all randomness to the game, and I've chosen to deal with it. (With the exception of starting sites with gold, of course, which are an automatic map regeneration.) Other people have different tolerances for randomness, though, and I can understand that.
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Scouts move 2 spaces. That is good for more than just popping huts.
The bigger nerf to scouts is the illogical existence of animals, especially ones like panthers and bears which can surprise buttsecks you in about .1 second (panther via out of view snipe, bears via murdering you even on defensive terrain). Of course, warriors are not immune to supreme animals either.
Of course they can also scout, but a major part of the attractiveness of starting with Hunting is that you may get some gold or a free tech out of it. I don't like starting with Hunting even with the bonus gold/techs. Take the potential bonuses away and it's terrible.
You would have to make up for it somehow by boosting scouts. Perhaps +300% vs Animals instead of +100% would be fair.
Played through a bit, given the requirements I was a bit shocked at the neighbours I found
However this was much less of an issue as I had my most successful scouting session I can ever remember and have popped 3 techs and 150 odd gold...
With that kind of tech boost and spare cash before 3700BC the overwhelming choice is to take land via war. Since that isn't an option I'm a bit confused about how to approach this game. Will ponder this one at some point but probably have to wait for the weekend.
I was originally thinking that huts and events wouldn't be too bad for comparism purposes once the game was flowing but I realise that if someone was to pop a couple of maps instead of the techs I got they'd be in a 60 turn tech hole compared to me which is exacerbated by me being able to get tiles online earlier (cottages for example), build wonders that otherwise would have been unreachable and possibly found a religion which I can spread to really boost a peaceful start.
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However this was much less of an issue as I had my most successful scouting session I can ever remember and have popped 3 techs and 150 odd gold...
With that kind of tech boost and spare cash before 3700BC the overwhelming choice is to take land via war. Since that isn't an option I'm a bit confused about how to approach this game. Will ponder this one at some point but probably have to wait for the weekend.
I was originally thinking that huts and events wouldn't be too bad for comparism purposes once the game was flowing but I realise that if someone was to pop a couple of maps instead of the techs I got they'd be in a 60 turn tech hole compared to me which is exacerbated by me being able to get tiles online earlier (cottages for example), build wonders that otherwise would have been unreachable and possibly found a religion which I can spread to really boost a peaceful start.
I'd rather see them have strength 2, it's not like they can attack anyway. I don't do it often myself but the inability to worker steal if the opportunity presents itself is enough of a disadvantage to make up for this if huts are off and would mean that they are slightly less pointless the moment human barbs appear (forest hill and warrior is odds on against an archer, for a scout they aren't even at parity with a barb warrior unless I've missed something).
I dont think I ever intended this as a game series i just wanted to see what people would do. I think anyone who has managed to play this peacefully up to or around 10ad has done well or got very lucky.
I'm quite enjoying this, the no war thing is making it tough to focus on what I'm doing though. Sometimes the map calls for peace and then my mind is set on that, however this map calls for war and every so often I slip into preparing for that. After this I think I might try some of the King of the World and RPC games to enjoy the challenge of being forced to play with certain rules/goals in mind.
