Germany/Prussia, Holy Roman Empire, and Goths will likely be DLC civs

[Ronaldo_]

Basically the title.

The Goths and Germans already have their own in-game wonders (Mausoleum of Theodoric & Brandenburg Gate), while we also have Charlemagne as a leader for the HRE despite none of those civs being any of the ones revealed.

All 10 base game antiquity civs have been revealed already without the goths
All 10 base game exploration civs have basically been revealed (Hawaii is the only that hasn't been 100% confirmed but it practically is) without the HRE.
8/10 base game modern civs have been revealed. While one of the two missing ones COULD be Germany, I think it is more likely we'll get Qing China, Russia (with Soviet tanks being shown in the trailers) from the Mongols, or possibly the Ottomans as a middle eastern power from the Persia->Abbasid line (this one is much less likely though).

From the sounds of it they are likely waiting for a Germanic-themed DLC that will include both the Goths, HRE, and Germany/Prussia later down the line as a complete package. Especially when you consider grand strategy players in particular tend to have a particular fascination with Germany, this DLC would also probably be among one of the highest selling.

 

[Cuauhtémoc's Rage]

Basically the title.

The Goths and Germans already have their own in-game wonders (Mausoleum of Theodoric & Brandenburg Gate), while we also have Charlemagne as a leader for the HRE despite none of those civs being any of the ones revealed.

All 10 base game antiquity civs have been revealed already without the goths
All 10 base game exploration civs have basically been revealed (Hawaii is the only that hasn't been 100% confirmed but it practically is) without the HRE.
8/10 base game modern civs have been revealed. While one of the two missing ones COULD be Germany, I think it is more likely we'll get Qing China, Russia (with Soviet tanks being shown in the trailers) from the Mongols, or possibly the Ottomans as a middle eastern power from the Persia->Abbasid line (this one is much less likely though).

From the sounds of it they are likely waiting for a Germanic-themed DLC that will include both the Goths, HRE, and Germany/Prussia later down the line as a complete package. Especially when you consider grand strategy players in particular tend to have a particular fascination with Germany, this DLC would also probably be among one of the highest selling.

HRE does seem like it could fit the idea of "Right to Rule" pretty well, so there's a good chance it could be in that second pack of DLC.

 

[Xandinho]

I'm not confident that all of them will be in the same DLC. But yes, I expect all of them in the future. Maybe 'Crossroads of the World' will add Goths or Germany, or both. Maybe HRE/Franks will happen in 'Right to Rule'.

 

[gdr_willter]

I think we have a very specific clue: the Crossroads of the World DLC don't include wonders. It means, from this DLC, we only can get civs that associated with the wonders we already have in the base game.
Goth(The Mausoleum of Theodoric) and Germany/Preussen(Brandenburg Gate) can be one of them, but not clear for HRE. It can be the civ for the Right to Rule DLC.

 

[Zaarin]

I think we have a very specific clue: the Crossroads of the World DLC don't include wonders. It means, from this DLC, we only can get civs that associated with the wonders we already have in the base game.
Goth(The Mausoleum of Theodoric) and Germany/Preussen(Brandenburg Gate) can be one of them, but not clear for HRE. It can be the civ for the Right to Rule DLC.

Replace HRE with Francia (Notre Dame de Paris) and it could be a possibility. I really don't expect CotW to be all Europe, all the time, though.

 

[Venceslau Pietro Pietra]

The new wonders from Right to Rule can be standalone ones and no linked to the new civs, so we can also get Franks, Babylon or any of the orphan wonder civs in this pack too

 

[Xandinho]

The new wonders from Right to Rule can be standalone ones and no linked to the new civs, so we can also get Franks, Babylon or any of the orphan wonder civs in this pack too

That’s true, but "Right to Rule" really screams Zulu, Aztec, Exploration Japan, and Ottomans to me.

As for "Crossroads of the World," at the moment, I’m expecting Assyria, Tonga, the Goths, and Germany/Britain.

I think this fills some of the major gaps, and standardizing the game with 13 civs per era.

 

[gdr_willter]

I'm also considering the Founders Edition will get 13 civs per Age.

 

[Hilton1]

I predicted very similar in a separate thread on the DLC here: I thought it plausible that Right to Rule could be Germanic-themed, with Goths, HRE, Prussia and Austro-Hungary. That of course makes big assumptions that the DLC will be themed geographically, for which we have no evidence.

However, I also predicted Right to Rule could include Charlemagne, who we now know is in the base game. The Frederich the Great ESRB leak is also a curveball.

And on another thread about leaders, several users were making the argument that Germany might be in the base game rather than Britain, so now I'm even less sure!

 

[durfal]

The Crossroads of the world is a term often used to discribe the middle east so I'm expecting civs from that region only in there.
The Right to Rule term was used to discribe the many royalties from the kingdoms, Principality's and Dukedoms (etc) in Europe during the early to late middleages, before it became more used worldly.
So I'm expecting a more European and if Germany isn't in the Base game a more broader Germanic/West Slavic (not just Germany) themed.
So it could be Antiquity: Goths, Norse or Franks;
Exploration: The Netherlands(Dutch), Any big HRE state, Poland;
Modern: Germany/Prussia, Austria-Hungary
Or something like that.

 

[stealth_nsk]

That’s true, but "Right to Rule" really screams Zulu, Aztec, Exploration Japan, and Ottomans to me.

As for "Crossroads of the World," at the moment, I’m expecting Assyria, Tonga, the Goths, and Germany/Britain.

I think this fills some of the major gaps, and standardizing the game with 13 civs per era.

Ottomans fit crossroads better. Overall the expectations are: One of the packs has 2 antiquity, 1 exploration, 1 modern, second has 1 antiquity, 1 exploration and 2 modern. With additional exploration civ already announced, we'll have exactly 13 per age. So we could expect:

Crossroads:
Carthage (or Phoenicia) - Antiquity
Assyria - Antiquity
Byzantium - Exploration
Ottomans - Modern

Right to rule:
Gauls (or Goths) - Antiquity
Aztec - Exploration
Germany (or France, Britain or Russia, depending on which one is missed in the base game) - Modern
Gran Colombia (or Brazil) - Modern

 

[Zaarin]

Carthage (or Phoenicia) - Antiquity

Impossible; we haven't seen a Phoenician wonder, and we can reasonably assume we've seen all the Antiquity wonders.

Byzantium - Exploration
Ottomans - Modern

Dubious; we've seen no sign of Byzantine or Ottoman wonders.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Impossible; we haven't seen a Phoenician wonder, and we can reasonably assume we've seen all the Antiquity wonders.

Dubious; we've seen no sign of Byzantine or Ottoman wonders.

DLC could add some wonders. Also, some wonders could be missed in the tech trees we've seen so far even for antiquity.

 

[Zaarin]

DLC could add some wonders. Also, some wonders could be missed in the tech trees we've seen so far even for antiquity.

We already know that Crossroads of the World does not add wonders; Right to Rule does. Any civ that does not already have a wonder in the game can't be in Crossroads of the World (while any that does have a wonder is unlikely to be in Right to Rule). So far confirmed options for CotW include Goths, Silla, Assyria, Tonga, Francia, possibly Edo Japan if Himeji Castle is confirmed, and potentially Germany or Russia if they are not in the base game; there may be others in the Exploration and Modern Age we haven't seen yet.

 

[Xandinho]

Ottomans fit crossroads better. Overall the expectations are: One of the packs has 2 antiquity, 1 exploration, 1 modern, second has 1 antiquity, 1 exploration and 2 modern. With additional exploration civ already announced, we'll have exactly 13 per age. So we could expect:

Crossroads:
Carthage (or Phoenicia) - Antiquity
Assyria - Antiquity
Byzantium - Exploration
Ottomans - Modern

Right to rule:
Gauls (or Goths) - Antiquity
Aztec - Exploration
Germany (or France, Britain or Russia, depending on which one is missed in the base game) - Modern
Gran Colombia (or Brazil) - Modern

"Crossroads" won't come with buildable wonders. We haven’t seen any signs of Phoenician, Byzantine, or Ottoman wonders yet. However, there might be an Ottoman wonder, as we haven’t seen much of the Modern Age yet. If that's the case, I’ll adjust my speculations.

I agree about Assyria. It’s highly likely to be in the "Crossroads" pack because it’s literally at a crossroads, and we don’t yet have an ancient Mesopotamian civ. Tonga also makes sense, as we don’t currently have an ancient Polynesian civ.

I don’t think we’ll see Gran Colombia in Civ7, but Simón Bolívar seems very likely. And I doubt it’ll take long for Exploration Japan to be included.

 

[ehecatzin]

I find it really easy to loose track of what crossroads and right to rule actually include. I feel like central Europe is looking a bit empty, fine for vanilla with Normans, but I think the first batch of DLC is going to patch it up, I think Francia would be a great fit, with maybe Charlemage getting an additional persona (it's one of the few leaders I can see this working very well).

As for Prussia and Germany, looking at the nebulous starting point for the modern Era in Civ VII I think It's more likely we get Prussia featured rather than Germany

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

As for Prussia and Germany, looking at the nebulous starting point for the modern Era in Civ VII I think It's more likely we get Prussia featured rather than Germany

I'm torn on this. Obviously from a historical standpoint it would make sense. Either way the German Empire was Prussian centered anyway, so to me it really doesn't matter.

Though for marketing reasons I do wonder if they would go with calling it Prussia, especially to the masses that wouldn't realize Prussia=Germany?

 

[gdr_willter]

Though for marketing reasons I do wonder if they would go with calling it Prussia, especially to the masses that wouldn't realize Prussia=Germany?

"P is silent, uups Russia? Two Russias in the game wtf"

 

[ehecatzin]

I'm torn on this. Obviously from a historical standpoint it would make sense. Either way the German Empire was Prussian centered anyway, so to me it really doesn't matter.

Though for marketing reasons I do wonder if they would go with calling it Prussia, especially to the masses that wouldn't realize Prussia=Germany?

We might as well get a very Prussia flavoured Germany then, if we do get Frederick maybe they could pour the "enlightened monarch" flavour into him for the "Prussianest" Germany

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Almost everything we've seen about this game so far points to firaxis moving away from linear progressions. I do not expect a Germanic path to be released in a single DLC (not least because who is the 4th wheel then?). And if they do, it would be a tacit walk back on their age split policy and admission that they should have done what they did with India and China for everyone from the start.