GOTM 28 First Spoiler

[ainwood]

GOTM 28 First Spoiler

I'll open the final spoiler in a day or two. In the interim, you can discuss your starting exploits strategies!


Reading Requirements

1. Reached at least 0 AD.

Posting Restrictions

1. Please do not post any details of anything happening post-500 AD.
2. Please do not post any details of anything happening outside your starting continent.

 

[jesusin]

jesusin, challenger. Goal: Fastest Cultural victory.

Starting:
Warrior NW. Settled on the plain hill. Fishing and Worker. When Fishing was researched, I thought and I realised that by turn 37, both WB-Worker-WB and WB-WB-Wor would at least by 4 turns behind Worker-Mine GrassHill-WB-WB in everything. So that's what I did.

Next I chose BW instead of my usual tendency to go for Pottery. With so many good tiles and so low a happiness cap, I wouldn't be working cottages anytime soon. I am glad I did. 'Inefficient' pre-Maths chopping is indeed powerful.

I was so glad with my strategy that I made many small mistakes: forgetting they are fast workers, forgetting only 1pop is needed to whip a lh, waited for the perfect time to revolt to slavery when we are Spiritual...

Cities:
2360BC with 2gold, stone, sheep. 2nd cottage city.
1480BC: fish, copper. Auxiliary.
925BC: on PH, fish, deer. The poorest GPFarm I've ever run.
75BC: lake, 2deer
50BC: fish, overlapping the 2nd city.


Decision1
By 1500BC I knew we were alone and we only had one single happy resource. No good. Immortal difficulty too. Having lost the early religions, there was a good chance I would never get any religion at all. Not that I would have ot any if I had tried, being the Challenger save... Anyway, it was clear that the 2 happy from Pyramids->Representation were the only hope. Changed gears, rushed Masonry, started on Pyramids even without Stone connected and chopped it all around capital for a 775BC Pyramids. Ufff.

Luck:
Some good luck: The Oracle builder chose something different and I was able to found Confu.

And some bad luck: With 50% chances I could have got a GE instead fo a GS, that could have immediately rushed the Parthenon. That would have been so sweet...
I used the GS on Philo for a second religion.

Decision2
Time to make a decision. Play the shy game and stay in my little rock, trying to get a cultural win with 6 miserable cities? Or be brave and beeline Astronomy for a nice round of tech brokering that would sky rocket me to a wonderful position to develop my culture?
Only second spoiler will tell.

Stats
1000BC stats: 3cities, 8pop, 2worker, 5War, Set, Gal, WB. Half of Pyra, 2Gra, 2Obe, 1lh. Stone, Copper. 1Lux, 2health. FPG=21,19,18. 18sust bpt, 4cpt, 0GPPpt. 44g, 0c. 0WW, 0NW,0GP. 12Techs: All pre Wri, BW, Mason. 0reli. 3hours. 0 civs killed/met. 2/2cottages used. 0rel*city, 0temple, 0Catedr.

1AD stats: 6cities, 26pop, 3worker, 3Axe,3War,Gal,WB. Pyra, 4gra, 4Lib, 3Obe,3lh, 2 monast, 2 tem. Copper+Stone. 1Lux, 3health. FPG=65,27,31. 77sust bpt, 63cpt, 40GPPpt, 0g, 1Kc, 1GP, 1WW,0NW. 17Techs: Wri, CoL, Philo, almost CS, no agg, no IW, no Alpha. 2 religion mine. 3/14 cottages used. 0civs killed. 6 hours. 7rel*city,2tem,0cath.

Where am I?
At 75bpt instead of 175bpt, and without CS yet, I am very worried about getting first to Liberalism. Having avoided Alphabet, I am in no position to build the NE. I am hammer-poor too. This doesn't look good.

 

[toller pretzl]

I dropped any cultural plans after seeing the lay of our land. Decided to see how close I could get to a military victory. Managed to build the Oracle (for CoL) and the Hanging Gardens.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

This was an evil, evil map. I wonder what's happened to Ainwood I loved it though.

• No good long-term city spots other than the capital.
• No contact with other AIs until optics - by which time on immortal level they're virtually guaranteed to have a massive tech lead over you.
• Lack of happiness resources

But the best bit of it was the islands in the starting screenshot - which made me think we were on an islands map with the setting to create lots of small islands - which I'd expected to mean at least some other AIs can be contacted with workboats. I planned for that, and gradually realized as my 3rd workboat explored the island that that just wasn't going to happen...

I started out by building a worker while researching fishing then swapped to two workboats (for the clams). My map at 175AD (coz I forgot to take a 500AD one) looked like this:



I later regretted both my 2nd and 3rd city placements:

• Bombay was placed on the assumption I could do conquest with galleys and so didn't need a good long-term city. Just wanted to work the two golds quickly. Had I realized this was going to be a long-term game I'd have put it on the coast.
• Madras was placed when I could see the copper and horses but not the iron. At that point I judged that my only opponents on the main continent would be barbs and chariots were my best defence against them.
• Of course, *then* I realised the nature of the map - in the light of which I should go for the colossus, so had to found Bangalore as an overlapping city to get the copper.

Other than that I didn't bother founding much anything till much later because of spiralling maintenance costs on immortal and no other good city spots.

Key points.

• I managed to chop the great lighthouse (not very useful at that point, but what else is there to build? And in the race to get optics asap every little helps...)
• But then I failed to get the colossus. I don't understand why. I was a couple of turns away, realized I could poprush it, so I poprushed it. That should guarantee you get it shouldn't it, coz the player goes first? Yet the next turn *after poprushing it* I get the message saying, you can no longer build the colossus. Your hammers have been converted into (thankfully, lots and lots) of gold. Uh???????????????

After that I had a rethink, and decided, instead of beelining for optics, to beeline for monarchy, and just use lots of units to get my cities large.

As of 500AD I'm 3 turns from monarchy, I have machinary plus forges, but my civ doesn't look much different from the 175AD screenshot (one more city SW of the fish to the NE of the island). I have no contact with any other civs. Hopefully once I have monarchy, things will move forward, but I'm pretty sure I'm in trouble - I've gotta be way behind the other civs in techs, and my prospects of winning this game are not looking good.

 

[Jove]

@DS: Are you completely sure some AI didn't finish the Colossus the turn you poprushed it? The computer will allow you to build a wonder for one more turn after an AI completes it.
The sequence could have been: The Colossus has been completed in a foreign land! -> You poprush it that turn -> next turn You Can No Longer Build The Colossus (because it was already built)

If that's not the case, if you actually rushed a 'live' wonder and got beat to it anyway, well that's a new one...

 

[jesusin]

This was an evil, evil map. I wonder what's happened to Ainwood I loved it though.

I forgot to say that I am enjoying this map immensely.

It is a new situation (we had been left alone before, like GOTM1 once you killed the Greeks, but we always had good lands to work on), so new ideas are needed. Refreshing.

A little crabs and a little lake in the NE tip would have made my live so much easier, though...

 

[oncable]

Contender

At 500 AD total pop 18 in 5 cities.
In capital have library, lighthouse, forge, Oracle, Colossus, Nat Epic.
In city2 have library, Parthenon and forge.
In city3 have library, granary and GL.
Capital will have to double as GP farm.

Keep bumping happy cap and no religions so have to use the whip, which is something I should do more often in my games in general, given how effective it is.

Working on cultural win so will have to depend on good old open borders to bring me some religion once somebody finds me.

Still only warriors for defense though and have a barb axman threatening. It's always interesting when playing cultural to see how weak an army you can get away with.

 

[humbe]

Finally a spoiler thread

Contender save.. Goal: Stay alive to see an AI win with a spaceship.. (Never played immortal difficulty before)

Total crap island. If it wasn't tundra it was desert.. I don't really see how I'm supposed to have a chance versus the AI here..

I researched fishing -> bronze working -> meditation. I actually got to found the religion anyways. I then beelined to writing for library and then metal casting to build the Colussus. Then I went for monarchy to get hereditary rule, so I wasn't limited by happiness. Then I beelined for optics to meet the AIs so I could start trading.

I thought the islands that was visible would be bigger. Thought it might be the same island too.. So I put 2nd city on same spot as DynamicSpirit, to get gold, stone and food. I ended up founding a lot of crap cities as there was nowhere else to grow. Two north in the tundra, one west and one east, both on the coast. One in each of the 3 islands, spaced apart as far as I could get. Finally one all the southwest to take advantage of the sea resource there.

I'm unsure where I was at 500 AD, my game is done and submitted. I'll stop here to be sure not to reveal anything.

 

[Bartholomaï]

I really made some stupid mistakes, I built the pyramids, but I forgot to change my civics!
My cities stayed really small because of the unhappiness (no religion), and my cities were poorly defended.
Well, this wasn't one of my best games

 

[Cactus Pete]

Much more difficult map than is typical for GOTM, particularly at a high level. Enjoying the challenge and (as mentioned above) the need to try new tactics, but it's going to be a long game.

I missed the Pyramids by one turn around 825BC. Without the added science from specialists, that significantly delayed Astronomy beyond 500AD. Be very interested to know when other players researched it, but wouldn't that have to wait for the second spoiler?

 

[JerichoHill]

At 500 AD I am 5 turns away from Optics.

I built Stonehenge, Oracle, and the Colossus.

I used the Oracle to sling to Metal Casting.

I founded Buddhism and have that in every city.

I have 6 cities, with about 21 pop. I've been using the whip heavily. Most of my cities are founded on the coast for the commerce bonus. I absolutely loved the two tiny islands SE of our main continent.

I'm really hoping for some barb continents when I get optics...give me some room to expand.

My goals are to tech to liberalism, which I think I can get, tech broker my way to improving my economy, and hopefully score a diplomatic win when I meet my neighbors. I know that I'm behind in tech...

DynamicSpirit, I played Bombay 1 West for the coastal commerce bonus. I settled Bangalore on the Copper to get the bonus for the Colossus immediatel, and I settled Madras on the horses, and I settled on the iron on the farther island.

 

[blastoidstalker]

This my first time playing vanilla in over a year and the rust showed.
I placed my capital 2 North to make room for another city to the south, which was a mistake as the fish i was leaving room for was needed for one of the island cities. I was so focuesed on REX and strapped by the happiness cap, that I could not completely fog bust, and had some Barb annoyence. I had yto build pyramids just for the happy bonus from representation, also builot the great library. At 500 AD I had settled most of my own island, the resource islands to the south and am praying to get to astornomy before the others to settle some barb lands, as that i feel will be the only hope I have.

 

[dr_s]

I agree that this map was both evil and fun. In an offline game, I probably would have abandoned pretty early; I'll have to rethink that attitude.

I founded on the PH and built a worker while I researched BW, following Cactus Pete's suggestion from the pre-game thread. I didn't have a specific VC in mind, but I knew it probably wouldn't be culture, so I didn't worry about religions. I founded Bombay in 2640 one east of where Dynamic Spirit founded. This meant missing out on the sheep, but I just couldn't landlock it. I didn't think I would be able to grow big for a long time due to happiness, and figured that three farmed FPs would provide enough food.

I founded my third city on the copper, and the fourth up north to get the sheep/deer. Those were the only four cities I had for a long time. I build the Great Library in 800 BC. I teched Monarchy in 675 BC to switch to HR and built a ton of warriors to fogbust and improve happiness.

In 500 AD I'm still at four cities and have just finished MC, on my way toward Optics/Astro.

 

[Bleys]

I got off to a great start, getting Buddhism, and a fast 2nd city, and a bunch of fogbusting Warriors. 2nd city in stone-FP area, and wanted the GLH-Colossus combo, and Mids for happiness (ambitious, I know).

However, I had horrible luck with barbs popping on the few "shadowed" tiles, and then horrible rolls lost my 2nd city to them when it was 3 turns from completing the Oracle. I tried to take it back, but I was a goner, pulling my other fogbusters back to 2nd city just opened the door for more barb spawning. Excessive whipping in my cap combined with 3 living barbs and only a single warrior left in my cap, I retired. BTS Barbs are so very very different from Vanilla, I think I just "assumed" they would found a city to the north and I would have peace until they popped out some Axes.

Oh well, Immortal is a rough grind anyway, and I just dont enjoy it nearly as much as the lower levels. I guess I am just a Monarch level players at heart, heh.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Contender. Conquest, if feasible, or any VC.

I thought this map was pretty workable. I thought in advance that pyramids/SE would be the way to go. Takes advantage of small coastal cities and gets you your GSes for Astro. So I was hoping for stone and I wasn't planning to chop too much of the forest, so I researched Fishing and built a wb.

I missed on the PYramids for no good reason, but there were two bad reasons. First, I'm so used to playing epic that I was in too slow of a rhythm. They were completed and it was already going on 500bc before I noticed. Second, my fogbusting was a little bit lazy and I suddenly got a bunch of tiles pillaged around 1000bc. So I had to come ujp with a new plan, but this was bad because my REX was focused on specialists, not cottages. Most of the middle game involved me flipping from one VC to another, trying to figure out what might win (at all). I still thought COnquest might be the easiest, so I focused on that. I decided that I was going to need hereditary rule to make any progress so I beelined Monarchy, and settled in for the long haul...

I was thinking maybe if I can get to Liberalism first, I'll have a chance...

My earliest save is 250ad (I was just playing...)

Research
Fishing 3720bc
BW 3120bc
Agriculture 2800bc
AH 2320c
THe Wheel 2000bc
Sailing 1720bc
Writing 1360bc
Masonry 1240bc
Math 850bc
Poly 750bc
Phood 700bc
CoL 400bc
Hunting 375bc
Pottery 325bc
Mono 225bc
Monarchy 50bc
IW 125ad

Cities
Lowther Castle 3940bc on plains hill.
Delhi 2560bc S of Wgold (on coast)--I cared more about coastal than sheep, but this cost me the pyramids, I guess. I farmed the river cities.
Bombay 1400bc N of island horses for barb protection and excellent SE city (yeah right)
Madras 475 bc N of the SEmost deer to get both of those deer and the four river tiles
Bangalore 350bc SW of island copper
Calcutta 225bc S of western fish
Lahore 25ad N of NE sheep

250ad pop29

Oracle in distant land 1560bc !!!
Pyramids in distant land 725bc (I sure wasted that opportunity...)

 

[Gnejs]

Contender, unclear goal at the start.

Settled in place, worker first+BW. Strategy was to chop the Oracle for CoL and run a bunch of scientists to lightbulb my way to Astronomy (gambling on no galley routes on this map). When my warrior spotted the first gold, the second gold, and then the stone, I realized that I would have to eat my words from the pre-game discussion about not building the Pyramids.

My Oracle in Delhi comes a bit late since I want to save some forests for the pyramids. There are also some tense moments in the early game as the barbarians give me a headache, but I place a warrior on the forested plains hill between Delhi and Bombay and watch a bunch of barbs suicide against it. The Pyramids do get built by me and I can switch to REX and grab the few workable city sites on this island. Really cool map, especially the awkward little resource islands just off the coast. By 1 AD I still haven't settled these. There is a difficult choice to be made here, especially since a resource won't be connected unless there is a city on the same island (a lesson I have learnt the hard way).



Early builds in Delhi:
Worker
Warrior
Warrior
WB
WB
Warrior
Warrior
Settler
Worker
Warrior
Oracle (1480 BC), grabbing CoL and founding Confu in Bombay
Warrior
Worker
Warrior
Pyramids (825 BC)

Research:
BW 3360 BC
Fishing 3120 BC
Polytheism 2640 BC - missing Hindu by 4 turns
Wheel 2360 BC
Priesthood 2120 BC
Writing 1600 BC
CoL 1440 BC (from Oracle)
Masonry 1440 BC
Pottery 1240 BC
Hunting 1040 BC
Monotheism 825 BC, switch to Org Rel and Representation
AH 675 BC
Sailing 550 BC
Maths 300 BC
Metal Casting 25 BC

Cities:
Delhi 400 BC in place
Bombay 1960 BC - 2xgold, stone, sheep, in same spot as jesusin. Really annoying that this city wasn't coastal...
Madras 525 BC between Delhi and Bombay, cottage city that can double as coastal production city
Bangalore 75 BC - NE corner with fish, deer. GP farm to be switched to coastal production working plains hill mine + 2 tundra mines
Calcutta 50 AD - Lake, 2 deer, in same spot as jesusin. Pure GS city, no production at all

I missed the Pyramids by one turn around 825BC.

Oooh, then I must have been really close to missing out on them too!

 

[LowtherCastle]

@Gnejs: Yours looks very well played. Even if I had achieved my plans, yours is much better.

 

[Gnejs]

@Gnejs: Yours looks very well played. Even if I had achieved my plans, yours is much better.

Seems I was more lucky than I knew. Against "your" AIs I wouldn't have built the Oracle in time...

 

[JerichoHill]

Here is my Auto-Log under the spoiler:

Highlights:
Delhi founded in 3960 BC
Founded Buddhism in 3320 BC
StoneHenge in 2000 BC
Oracle in 1360 BC
Built the Mahabodhi in 800 BC
Colossus in 50 BC

Spoiler :

Turn 1/460 (3960 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:24:39]
Delhi founded
Delhi begins: Warrior (5 turns)
Research begun: Fishing (7 Turns)

Turn 2/460 (3920 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:24:57]

Turn 3/460 (3880 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:25:13]

Turn 4/460 (3840 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:25:18]

Turn 5/460 (3800 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:25:24]
Delhi's borders expand
Delhi finishes: Warrior

Turn 6/460 (3760 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:25:31]
Delhi begins: Warrior (5 turns)

Turn 7/460 (3720 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:25:45]
Tech learned: Fishing

Turn 8/460 (3680 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:25:49]
Research begun: Sailing (14 Turns)
Delhi begins: Work Boat (10 turns)

Turn 9/460 (3640 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:41:46]
While defending in the wild near Delhi, Warrior defeats (1.60/2): Barbarian Wolf (Prob Victory: 100.0%)

Turn 10/460 (3600 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:41:59]

Turn 11/460 (3560 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:03]
Delhi grows: 2

Turn 12/460 (3520 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:06]

Turn 13/460 (3480 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:18]

Turn 14/460 (3440 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:20]

Turn 15/460 (3400 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:22]
Delhi finishes: Work Boat
While defending in the wild near Delhi, Warrior defeats (1.80/2): Barbarian Wolf (Prob Victory: 100.0%)

Turn 16/460 (3360 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:29]
Warrior promoted: Woodsman I
Hinduism founded in a distant land

Turn 17/460 (3320 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:43]
Tech learned: Meditation
Buddhism founded in Delhi
Buddhism has spread: Delhi
Delhi finishes: Warrior

Turn 18/460 (3280 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:42:46]
Research begun: Sailing (12 Turns)
Delhi begins: Work Boat (8 turns)
State Religion Change: Asoka(India) from 'no State Religion' to 'Buddhism'

Turn 19/460 (3240 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:09]

Turn 20/460 (3200 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:11]

Turn 21/460 (3160 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:14]

Turn 22/460 (3120 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:17]
Delhi grows: 3

Turn 23/460 (3080 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:22]

Turn 24/460 (3040 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:25]
Delhi finishes: Work Boat

Turn 25/460 (3000 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:32]
Delhi begins: Warrior (3 turns)

Turn 26/460 (2960 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:53]
Delhi's borders expand

Turn 27/460 (2920 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:43:58]

Turn 28/460 (2880 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:01]
Tech learned: Sailing
Delhi grows: 4
Delhi finishes: Warrior
While defending in the wild near Delhi, Warrior defeats (1.22/2): Barbarian Lion (Prob Victory: 99.5%)

Turn 29/460 (2840 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:11]
Research begun: Bronze Working (13 Turns)
Delhi begins: Fast Worker (6 turns)

Turn 30/460 (2800 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:32]

Turn 31/460 (2760 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:34]

Turn 32/460 (2720 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:39]

Turn 33/460 (2680 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:43]

Turn 34/460 (2640 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:45]
Delhi finishes: Fast Worker

Turn 35/460 (2600 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:44:48]
Delhi begins: Lighthouse (6 turns)
While defending in the wild, Warrior defeats (0.50/2): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 96.7%)

Turn 36/460 (2560 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:45:12]

Turn 37/460 (2520 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:45:16]

Turn 38/460 (2480 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:45:23]

Turn 39/460 (2440 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:45:29]

Turn 40/460 (2400 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:45:38]Delhi grows: 5
Delhi finishes: Lighthouse

Turn 41/460 (2360 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:46:14]
Delhi begins: Stonehenge (15 turns)
Tech learned: Bronze Working

Turn 42/460 (2320 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:50:27]
Research begun: Priesthood (6 Turns)
Civics Change: Asoka(India) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 43/460 (2280 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:50:50]

Turn 44/460 (2240 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:50:54]

Turn 45/460 (2200 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:50:58]

Turn 46/460 (2160 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:51:07]

Turn 47/460 (2120 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:51:14]
Tech learned: Priesthood

Turn 48/460 (2080 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:51:26]
Research begun: The Wheel (7 Turns)
Research begun: Pottery (7 Turns)

Turn 49/460 (2040 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:52:08]
Research begun: The Wheel (7 Turns)

Turn 49/460 (2040 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:52:40]
While defending in the wild near Delhi, Warrior defeats (0.96/2): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 99.4%)

Turn 50/460 (2000 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:53:17]
Delhi grows: 4
Delhi finishes: Stonehenge

Turn 51/460 (1960 BC) [02-Mar-2008 19:53:35]
Delhi begins: Settler (8 turns)

Turn 52/460 (1920 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:16:23]

Turn 53/460 (1880 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:16:26]

Turn 54/460 (1840 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:16:42]
Tech learned: The Wheel

Turn 55/460 (1800 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:16:46]
Research begun: Pottery (8 Turns)
Delhi finishes: Settler

Turn 56/460 (1760 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:17:02]
Delhi begins: The Oracle (19 turns)
Delhi begins: Fast Worker (5 turns)

Turn 57/460 (1720 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:19:20]

Turn 58/460 (1680 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:19:34]
Delhi finishes: Fast Worker
While defending in the wild, Warrior loses to: Barbarian Warrior (0.68/2) (Prob Victory: 74.9%)

Turn 59/460 (1640 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:20:07]
Delhi begins: Warrior (2 turns)

Turn 57/460 (1720 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:21:24]

Turn 58/460 (1680 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:21:31]

Turn 59/460 (1640 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:21:41]
Delhi grows: 5
While defending in the wild near Delhi, Warrior defeats (0.70/2): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 99.4%)

Turn 60/460 (1600 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:22:02]
Warrior promoted: Woodsman II

Turn 61/460 (1560 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:27:13]

Turn 62/460 (1520 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:27:30]
Tech learned: Pottery
While defending in the wild near Delhi, Warrior defeats (1.16/2): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 91.9%)

Turn 63/460 (1480 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:27:42]
Research begun: Iron Working (17 Turns)

Turn 64/460 (1440 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:28:14]
Bombay founded
Bombay begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)

Turn 65/460 (1400 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:28:38]
Delhi's borders expand

Turn 66/460 (1360 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:28:54]
Research begun: Iron Working (17 Turns)
Delhi grows: 4
Delhi finishes: The Oracle

Turn 67/460 (1320 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:29:14]
Tech learned: Metal Casting
Delhi begins: Buddhist Temple (5 turns)

Turn 68/460 (1280 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:30:18]
Judaism founded in a distant land
While defending in the wild near Bombay, Warrior defeats (1.36/2): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 90.1%)

Turn 69/460 (1240 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:30:43]
Warrior promoted: Woodsman I

Turn 70/460 (1200 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:31:03]
Delhi grows: 5
Delhi finishes: Buddhist Temple

Turn 71/460 (1160 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:31:21]
Delhi begins: Settler (7 turns)
Bombay grows: 2
Buddhism has spread: Bombay

Turn 72/460 (1120 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:34:29]
Bombay's borders expand

Turn 73/460 (1080 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:34:45]
While defending in the wild, Warrior defeats (0.80/2): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 96.4%)

Turn 74/460 (1040 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:35:08]

Turn 75/460 (1000 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:35:16]

Turn 76/460 (975 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:35:19]

Turn 77/460 (950 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:35:30]
Delhi finishes: Settler
Bombay grows: 3

Turn 78/460 (925 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:36:13]
Delhi begins: Fast Worker (4 turns)
Tech learned: Iron Working

Turn 79/460 (900 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:36:49]
Research begun: Polytheism (8 Turns)
Research begun: Writing (8 Turns)

Turn 80/460 (875 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:37:39]
Madras founded
Madras begins: Lighthouse (15 turns)

Turn 81/460 (850 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:38:08]
Delhi finishes: Fast Worker
Bombay finishes: Lighthouse

Turn 82/460 (825 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:38:33]
Delhi begins: Forge (15 turns)
Bombay begins: Warrior (15 turns)
Moses (Great Prophet) born in Delhi
Bombay finishes: Warrior

Turn 83/460 (800 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:39:05]
Bombay begins: Buddhist Monastery (60 turns)
Delhi finishes: The Mahabodhi
Confucianism founded in a distant land

Turn 84/460 (775 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:39:42]
Bombay grows: 3

Turn 85/460 (750 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:39:53]
Tech learned: Writing
Delhi grows: 6

Turn 86/460 (725 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:40:48]
Research begun: Compass (18 Turns)

Turn 87/460 (700 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:41:10]

Turn 88/460 (675 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:41:22]

Turn 89/460 (650 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:41:28]
Delhi grows: 5
Delhi finishes: Forge
Madras's borders expand

Turn 90/460 (625 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:41:53]
Delhi begins: Settler (7 turns)
Delhi begins: Warrior (2 turns)
Delhi begins: Galley (7 turns)
Madras grows: 2

Turn 91/460 (600 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:42:36]

Turn 92/460 (575 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:42:44]
Buddhism has spread: Madras

Turn 93/460 (550 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:43:20]
Delhi finishes: Galley
Bombay finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Madras finishes: Lighthouse

Turn 94/460 (525 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:43:40]
Delhi begins: Settler (6 turns)
Bombay begins: Granary (60 turns)
Madras begins: Barracks (30 turns)
Delhi begins: Warrior (2 turns)
Delhi begins: The Colossus (25 turns)
Delhi begins: Work Boat (3 turns)
Delhi grows: 6

Turn 95/460 (500 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:44:21]

Turn 96/460 (475 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:44:24]
Delhi finishes: Work Boat
Bombay grows: 3

Turn 97/460 (450 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:44:35]
Delhi begins: Settler (7 turns)

Turn 98/460 (425 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:45:06]
Delhi finishes: Settler

Turn 99/460 (400 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:45:16]
Delhi begins: The Colossus (125 turns)
Christianity founded in a distant land

Turn 100/460 (375 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:45:30]
Delhi grows: 4

Turn 101/460 (350 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:45:56]
Bangalore founded
Bangalore begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)

Turn 102/460 (325 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:47:01]

Turn 103/460 (300 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:47:19]
Bombay grows: 4
Madras grows: 3

Turn 104/460 (275 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:47:28]
Delhi grows: 5
Bombay finishes: Granary

Turn 105/460 (250 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:47:42]
Bombay begins: Buddhist Temple (40 turns)

Turn 85/460 (750 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:48:48]
Tech learned: Writing
Delhi grows: 6

Turn 86/460 (725 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:49:00]
Research begun: Compass (18 Turns)
Delhi finishes: Forge

Turn 87/460 (700 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:49:32]
Delhi begins: Work Boat (3 turns)

Turn 88/460 (675 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:49:54]

Turn 89/460 (650 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:50:01]
Delhi grows: 4
Madras's borders expand
Buddhism has spread: Madras

Turn 90/460 (625 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:50:10]
Delhi finishes: Work Boat
Madras grows: 2

Turn 91/460 (600 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:50:17]
Delhi begins: Galley (5 turns)

Turn 92/460 (575 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:50:29]

Turn 93/460 (550 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:50:44]
Delhi grows: 5
Madras finishes: Lighthouse

Turn 94/460 (525 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:50:55]
Madras begins: Granary (30 turns)

Turn 95/460 (500 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:51:08]
Delhi finishes: Galley

Turn 96/460 (475 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:51:12]
Delhi begins: Settler (7 turns)

Turn 97/460 (450 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:51:36]

Turn 98/460 (425 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:51:49]
Delhi finishes: Settler

Turn 99/460 (400 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:51:59]
Delhi begins: The Colossus (125 turns)

Turn 100/460 (375 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:52:17]
Delhi grows: 4
Christianity founded in a distant land

Turn 101/460 (350 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:52:27]
Bangalore founded
Bangalore begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)
Bombay grows: 4
Bombay finishes: Buddhist Monastery

Turn 102/460 (325 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:52:49]
Bombay begins: Granary (20 turns)
Tech learned: Compass

Turn 103/460 (300 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:53:02]
Research begun: Hunting (2 Turns)
Madras grows: 3

Turn 104/460 (275 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:54:17]
Tech learned: Hunting
Delhi grows: 5

Turn 105/460 (250 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:54:27]
Research begun: Animal Husbandry (4 Turns)
Bangalore grows: 2

Turn 106/460 (225 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:54:53]

Turn 107/460 (200 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:54:57]

Turn 108/460 (175 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:55:04]
Tech learned: Animal Husbandry
Delhi grows: 6
Buddhism has spread: Bangalore

Turn 109/460 (150 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:55:13]
Research begun: Machinery (25 Turns)
Bombay's borders expand
Madras finishes: Granary
Bangalore's borders expand

Turn 110/460 (125 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:55:39]
Madras begins: Buddhist Temple (40 turns)

Turn 111/460 (100 BC) [02-Mar-2008 20:55:51]
Bombay finishes: Granary
Bangalore grows: 3

Turn 112/460 (75 BC) [02-Mar-2008 21:12:54]
Bombay begins: Buddhist Temple (40 turns)
Bombay grows: 3
Bangalore finishes: Lighthouse
Taoism founded in a distant land

Turn 113/460 (50 BC) [02-Mar-2008 21:13:20]
Bangalore begins: Granary (60 turns)
Bangalore begins: Buddhist Temple (40 turns)
Bangalore begins: Granary (60 turns)
Delhi finishes: The Colossus

Turn 114/460 (25 BC) [02-Mar-2008 21:13:53]
Delhi begins: Library (8 turns)
Delhi grows: 7
Madras grows: 3

Turn 115/460 (0 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:14:51]
Bangalore grows: 3

Turn 116/460 (25 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:15:13]
Mahavira (Great Prophet) born in Delhi
Bombay grows: 4

Turn 117/460 (50 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:17:58]
Delhi finishes: Axeman

Turn 118/460 (75 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:18:05]
Bombay finishes: Buddhist Temple

Turn 119/460 (100 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:18:26]
Bombay begins: Library (18 turns)
Madras grows: 4

Turn 120/460 (125 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:18:43]
Bangalore grows: 4

Turn 121/460 (150 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:18:56]
Delhi begins: Buddhist Monastery (5 turns)
Delhi grows: 8
Bombay grows: 5
Bangalore finishes: Granary

Turn 122/460 (175 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:19:31]
Bangalore begins: Buddhist Temple (40 turns)

Turn 123/460 (200 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:19:39]
Madras finishes: Buddhist Temple

Turn 124/460 (225 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:19:49]
Madras begins: Library (23 turns)
Delhi finishes: Library
Bombay finishes: Library
Madras grows: 5
Bangalore grows: 3

Turn 125/460 (250 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:20:16]
Bombay begins: Settler (13 turns)
Delhi begins: Granary (5 turns)
Delhi finishes: Granary
While defending in the wild, Axeman defeats (3.20/5): Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 99.8%)

Turn 126/460 (275 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:21:26]
Delhi begins: Buddhist Monastery (6 turns)
Bangalore grows: 4

Turn 127/460 (300 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:21:46]
Delhi grows: 6
Bangalore finishes: Buddhist Temple

Turn 128/460 (325 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:21:57]
Bangalore begins: Axeman (18 turns)
Bangalore begins: Library (90 turns)
Tech learned: Machinery
Delhi finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Madras grows: 6
Bangalore grows: 4

Turn 129/460 (350 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:22:31]
Research begun: Optics (12 Turns)
Delhi begins: Axeman (3 turns)

Turn 130/460 (375 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:22:51]
Delhi grows: 7

Turn 131/460 (400 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:23:00]
Delhi finishes: Axeman
Madras's borders expand

Turn 132/460 (425 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:23:08]
Delhi begins: Fast Worker (4 turns)
Bombay finishes: Settler
Bangalore grows: 5

Turn 133/460 (450 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:23:32]
Bombay begins: Forge (40 turns)
Bombay grows: 4
Madras grows: 7

Turn 134/460 (475 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:24:14]
Calcutta founded
Calcutta begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)
Madras finishes: Library
Bangalore finishes: Library

Turn 135/460 (500 AD) [02-Mar-2008 21:24:54]
Madras begins: Forge (60 turns)
Bangalore begins: Buddhist Monastery (60 turns)
Delhi finishes: Fast Worker
Madras grows: 6
Bangalore grows: 4

 

[jesusin]

Early builds in Delhi:
Worker
Warrior
Warrior
WB
WB
Warrior
Warrior
Settler
Worker
Warrior
Oracle (1480 BC), grabbing CoL and founding Confu in Bombay
Warrior
Worker
Warrior
Pyramids (825 BC)

Hmm, very different game. At 825BC I had had 4 cities for a long time. Once you have explored the whole map there are not more than 2 good city spots, so it is ok. But, weren't you worried in the early game about having only 2 cities for so long?

Early builds in Delhi:
Cities:
Delhi 400 BC in place
Bombay 1960 BC - 2xgold, stone, sheep, in same spot as jesusin. Really annoying that this city wasn't coastal...
Madras 525 BC between Delhi and Bombay, cottage city that can double as coastal production city
Bangalore 75 BC - NE corner with fish, deer. GP farm to be switched to coastal production working plains hill mine + 2 tundra mines
Calcutta 50 AD - Lake, 2 deer, in same spot as jesusin. Pure GS city, no production at all

Capital and GPFarm were on PH in my game, just besides in yours. What's better?
PH in capital gives quicker start. But being isolated, we have a long time to play with opur island and my capital was hammer-poor longterm. Undecided.
PH in GPFarm allows to hire specialist immediately. Non-urgent buildings are slowly built. Granary and lh are whipped. I only used the tundra mines while building the NE. Your buildings must have been built faster, but at the cost of 1 citizen working the PH mine. Undecided.

I love your Madras. I never thought of it, not having any resource. It would have been very good in my game, it would have worked the capital cottages while the capital was busy with the clams, the lake and the mines.