GOTM 31 Spoiler 3: End Industrial age / end game submitted
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Indeed!mabellino said:DaveMcW
I love the name of that city on the 2 tile island... inspired!
I figure that it's the single reason this particular award was still lacking in his collection. 
Dave: I do appreciate you entering the competition, in spite of all that.
Let's see,
When I entered the industrial age, the English were destroyed, I shared the starting continent with the Iroquois, had gotten all the maps via trades after the Iroqois had settled the east end of the Aztec continent.
I'm not at war, and I'm not looking for it, so I find a couple unclaimed patches of land on the Aztec continent in the seam between the Aztecs and Iroquois, and found two cities (one on north coast, one on south).
In communicating with other civs, I realize Germany is in the tech lead, and has Communism, Espionage, Industrialization and Corporation, which I lack. I immediately set my research priority to Electricity, in the hopes of a lucrative trade in about 12-15 turns.
Meanwhile, the Aztecs decide they don't others on their continent, so they declare war on the Iroquois and me. They take my two cities, but I take one of theres, and then we go back and forth for several turns not accomplishing much, but some killing. I see that most of the land where the Irquois were on the continent is now vacant, so I sue for peace and build 5 or 6 settlers to send over there, establishing a nice, corrupt colony.
The Zulu are occasionally at war with the Iroquois during this time, and manage to take Iroquois cities in the southern tundra region of the starting continent, and then declare war on me (what have I ever done to you??). Again, the war is indecisive, establishing only that there aren't going to be any Zulu on my continent, and that even under French rule, the southern tundra cities aren't ever going to be all that much.
Finally, I discover electricity, and every French citizen's hair stands on end! I get the Germans on the telegraph:
Will give you electricity-stop-
in return, expect industrialization, communism, espionage, corporation, 30gpt, 180gold, world map-stop.
Germany says "OK", and then I make lesser deals with the Carthagenians and Greeks for Refining and Steel and fewer gpt, in exchange for Electricity alone. I start researching Replaceable Parts, so when something breaks, I don't have to just trash the whole thing (hey, it's a big idea!).
This science coup is followed by some blunders: I don't trade Replaceable parts for combustion when I have the chance (I wanted to monopolize artillery and infantry--that was short lived). I get flight and then inadvertently trade it to Hanniballine on HER turn. I build the Theory of Evolution one turn before I would have discovered a tech anyway. Uggg! At least I have tech parity with the germans.
After I discover electricity, the Iroquios decide to declare war on me, pretty much out of the blue. I've been trading with them to get coal, and railroaded most of my turf under that agreement. Now were at war, my workers don't have much to do before I advance a bit, and my priority is to get the coal on the west side of the continent. I've got cavalry, riflemen, some infantry, and some artillery, and march through the Iroquios lands pretty fast. A great leader emerges and allows me to jump my palace to the north central part of the starting continent (with FP in the south, west of Paris).
After destroying the Iroquois, I own the whole starting continent, but not the island to the north. I start sending my troops to the Aztec continent in anticipation of war with them, and Germany later. War with the Aztecs procedes smoothly, as they've been at war with everyone else on and off for the last 100 years, and all their cities are size 1 or 2. They have a few infantry, but mostly riflemen, and then some pikemen, catapaults, and museum stuff. I'm able to get another great leader out of the Aztec war, and he rushes Hoover Dam in Paris. When I get them down to 1 city, one turn from destroying their civ, Germany declares war on me. This just a one turn before I discover Motor Transport. They'll have panzers, and I'm not sure if they've had their golden age yet.
Germany pulls Greece and Zululand into war against me, while the Carthagenians are my allies (they destroy the Aztecs shortly thereafter). Zulu and Greek bombers keep bombing roads to resources on the aztec continent (all redundant), so I figure a couple of workers just (re)building roads around there will keep the AI bombers focused on worthless targets. The Greeks make an amphibious assault and move about 6 Marine units into one of my cities, but my stack of 25 artillery followed by cavalry and a cavalry army retake the city on the next turn. German amphibious efforts are even more pathetic. They land a Marine, a panzer, and infantry on a hill next to a small, formerly Aztec, then German, now French city on the West Aztec continent. My artillery redline the invaders and all the ships that brought them there (a transport, a destroyer, a battleship, and two carriers with no airplanes), then bombers finish off the ships, while cavalry and tanks destroy the land units. I lost one cavalry to the panzer...did I trip Germany's golden age?
Eventually, I'm able to make peace with Germany.
It is now 1802, a couple of years into the modern era. Germany has rocketry, and I'm 7 turns away. I'm at war with Greece and Zululand, but I won't have much expeditionary capability for a few turns.
My estimate of the situation, and strategy for the future:
Germany will go for a spaceship victory, and is the only real threat to me.
In order to gain a tech lead, I need to build up the former Iroquois and English cities on the old continent--they can be productive...I'll bring settlers and workers from overcrowded cities to the south, to increase population, and build economic and education improvements to increase the cashflow. I'd like to build a spaceship myself, but if Germany can build one sooner than I can, I'll need to go for a domination victory.
I'll taper off production of military units, and continue at war with Greece and Zululand only as far as my current military will take it. Probably one amphibious assault on Greece and capturing a few cities. Zululand is far to the south and can't effectively strike me.
OK, comments on my assessment of the situation or strategy? Should I switch my research to computers so I'm not on the same tech path as the AI (or should I switch after I discover rocketry?)
DogmaDog
When I entered the industrial age, the English were destroyed, I shared the starting continent with the Iroquois, had gotten all the maps via trades after the Iroqois had settled the east end of the Aztec continent.
I'm not at war, and I'm not looking for it, so I find a couple unclaimed patches of land on the Aztec continent in the seam between the Aztecs and Iroquois, and found two cities (one on north coast, one on south).
In communicating with other civs, I realize Germany is in the tech lead, and has Communism, Espionage, Industrialization and Corporation, which I lack. I immediately set my research priority to Electricity, in the hopes of a lucrative trade in about 12-15 turns.
Meanwhile, the Aztecs decide they don't others on their continent, so they declare war on the Iroquois and me. They take my two cities, but I take one of theres, and then we go back and forth for several turns not accomplishing much, but some killing. I see that most of the land where the Irquois were on the continent is now vacant, so I sue for peace and build 5 or 6 settlers to send over there, establishing a nice, corrupt colony.
The Zulu are occasionally at war with the Iroquois during this time, and manage to take Iroquois cities in the southern tundra region of the starting continent, and then declare war on me (what have I ever done to you??). Again, the war is indecisive, establishing only that there aren't going to be any Zulu on my continent, and that even under French rule, the southern tundra cities aren't ever going to be all that much.
Finally, I discover electricity, and every French citizen's hair stands on end! I get the Germans on the telegraph:
Will give you electricity-stop-
in return, expect industrialization, communism, espionage, corporation, 30gpt, 180gold, world map-stop.
Germany says "OK", and then I make lesser deals with the Carthagenians and Greeks for Refining and Steel and fewer gpt, in exchange for Electricity alone. I start researching Replaceable Parts, so when something breaks, I don't have to just trash the whole thing (hey, it's a big idea!).
This science coup is followed by some blunders: I don't trade Replaceable parts for combustion when I have the chance (I wanted to monopolize artillery and infantry--that was short lived). I get flight and then inadvertently trade it to Hanniballine on HER turn. I build the Theory of Evolution one turn before I would have discovered a tech anyway. Uggg! At least I have tech parity with the germans.
After I discover electricity, the Iroquios decide to declare war on me, pretty much out of the blue. I've been trading with them to get coal, and railroaded most of my turf under that agreement. Now were at war, my workers don't have much to do before I advance a bit, and my priority is to get the coal on the west side of the continent. I've got cavalry, riflemen, some infantry, and some artillery, and march through the Iroquios lands pretty fast. A great leader emerges and allows me to jump my palace to the north central part of the starting continent (with FP in the south, west of Paris).
After destroying the Iroquois, I own the whole starting continent, but not the island to the north. I start sending my troops to the Aztec continent in anticipation of war with them, and Germany later. War with the Aztecs procedes smoothly, as they've been at war with everyone else on and off for the last 100 years, and all their cities are size 1 or 2. They have a few infantry, but mostly riflemen, and then some pikemen, catapaults, and museum stuff. I'm able to get another great leader out of the Aztec war, and he rushes Hoover Dam in Paris. When I get them down to 1 city, one turn from destroying their civ, Germany declares war on me. This just a one turn before I discover Motor Transport. They'll have panzers, and I'm not sure if they've had their golden age yet.
Germany pulls Greece and Zululand into war against me, while the Carthagenians are my allies (they destroy the Aztecs shortly thereafter). Zulu and Greek bombers keep bombing roads to resources on the aztec continent (all redundant), so I figure a couple of workers just (re)building roads around there will keep the AI bombers focused on worthless targets. The Greeks make an amphibious assault and move about 6 Marine units into one of my cities, but my stack of 25 artillery followed by cavalry and a cavalry army retake the city on the next turn. German amphibious efforts are even more pathetic. They land a Marine, a panzer, and infantry on a hill next to a small, formerly Aztec, then German, now French city on the West Aztec continent. My artillery redline the invaders and all the ships that brought them there (a transport, a destroyer, a battleship, and two carriers with no airplanes), then bombers finish off the ships, while cavalry and tanks destroy the land units. I lost one cavalry to the panzer...did I trip Germany's golden age?
Eventually, I'm able to make peace with Germany.
It is now 1802, a couple of years into the modern era. Germany has rocketry, and I'm 7 turns away. I'm at war with Greece and Zululand, but I won't have much expeditionary capability for a few turns.
My estimate of the situation, and strategy for the future:
Germany will go for a spaceship victory, and is the only real threat to me.
In order to gain a tech lead, I need to build up the former Iroquois and English cities on the old continent--they can be productive...I'll bring settlers and workers from overcrowded cities to the south, to increase population, and build economic and education improvements to increase the cashflow. I'd like to build a spaceship myself, but if Germany can build one sooner than I can, I'll need to go for a domination victory.
I'll taper off production of military units, and continue at war with Greece and Zululand only as far as my current military will take it. Probably one amphibious assault on Greece and capturing a few cities. Zululand is far to the south and can't effectively strike me.
OK, comments on my assessment of the situation or strategy? Should I switch my research to computers so I'm not on the same tech path as the AI (or should I switch after I discover rocketry?)
DogmaDog
denyd
Emperor
Oh Great, I've milked from the late 1700's to 2012 and now I see Dave McW has chosen that for his victory option. Well, spank my butt 
and call me loser.
Talk about wasted time, cleaning up pollution and disbanding extra military units, I could have launched in the early 1800's or won via conquest or domination earlier than that, and I sold off all my culture items in the early 1900's to prevent a 100k win. My score was going to be about 10K, which I thought might have a chance for a medal against the other announced Histographic players (High Desert, et al), but at this point, I'm going to go home switch my capital from wealth to the last space ship part, use Richelieu (GL saved since the German war of elimination) to rush that part and end the game in 2013 AD. I've got 6 MA armies sitting within 1 move of the last 4 cities (1 Zulu, 1 Greek & 2 German), so I could go for domination or conquest but the spaceship will probably be a slightly higher (and has a snazzier ending), then I'll probably go have a good
and call me loser.Talk about wasted time, cleaning up pollution and disbanding extra military units, I could have launched in the early 1800's or won via conquest or domination earlier than that, and I sold off all my culture items in the early 1900's to prevent a 100k win. My score was going to be about 10K, which I thought might have a chance for a medal against the other announced Histographic players (High Desert, et al), but at this point, I'm going to go home switch my capital from wealth to the last space ship part, use Richelieu (GL saved since the German war of elimination) to rush that part and end the game in 2013 AD. I've got 6 MA armies sitting within 1 move of the last 4 cities (1 Zulu, 1 Greek & 2 German), so I could go for domination or conquest but the spaceship will probably be a slightly higher (and has a snazzier ending), then I'll probably go have a good
I know how you feel, Denyd. I went after a 100k victory this month, and saw Karasu was doing the same which was bad, but now also SirPleb has announced to go for this goal. 
denyd
Emperor
OK, Dave McW admit it you're playing a different game than the rest of us.
I looked at you victory screen: 482,124 gold & 2532gpt, how did you do that?
I noticed the Cavalry, why not Modern Armor and what was the Galleon for?
I also noticed you had only size 12 cities, why not build hospitals and grow to the 30+ size?
How did you get a city named Paris on the other island?
Why not Democracy instead of Republic?
How close were you to the Domination and how did you keep from going past the limit?
Why were you building Cure for Cancer on a place that would never finish it?
I'm also quite amazed though we were nearly even at 2000 BC (I founded a town the next turn to make it 4 to 4) by 1000 BC you were ahead by 4 towns. Also I didn't meet the other AI until 850 AD when you had already settled into milking mode!!
If you ever decide to run an Emperor/Diety training game, please put me on the list of students.
I looked at you victory screen: 482,124 gold & 2532gpt, how did you do that?
I noticed the Cavalry, why not Modern Armor and what was the Galleon for?
I also noticed you had only size 12 cities, why not build hospitals and grow to the 30+ size?
How did you get a city named Paris on the other island?
Why not Democracy instead of Republic?
How close were you to the Domination and how did you keep from going past the limit?
Why were you building Cure for Cancer on a place that would never finish it?
I'm also quite amazed though we were nearly even at 2000 BC (I founded a town the next turn to make it 4 to 4) by 1000 BC you were ahead by 4 towns. Also I didn't meet the other AI until 850 AD when you had already settled into milking mode!!
If you ever decide to run an Emperor/Diety training game, please put me on the list of students.
DaveMcW
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1800 gpt was from core cities with stock exchanges, the rest was from corrupt cities with 21 trade (+2 gold), marketplaces (+1 gold), and building wealth (+1 gold). My specialists were scientists, otherwise they would add another 1000 gpt. 250 turns * 2500gpt is a big number.
The cavalry was for barb patrol, the galley was for transport. I didn't bother upgrading since they did the job just fine.
Hospitals do increase your score by letting you work the tiles some cities are built on, but they require a lot of extra work. You need mass transit to control the pollution from overpopulation, and then you need to fix citizens every time the 1 pollution from mass transit hits a tile or causes global warming. After 120 turns of micromanaging I just wanted the game to end.
I abandoned Paris in the middle ages, and it popped back up as I was rebuilding the Aztec lands.
The reduced corruption from democracy was not worth 8 turns of anarchy.
I was 1 tile away from domination, as shown by MapStat.
The cavalry was for barb patrol, the galley was for transport. I didn't bother upgrading since they did the job just fine.
Hospitals do increase your score by letting you work the tiles some cities are built on, but they require a lot of extra work. You need mass transit to control the pollution from overpopulation, and then you need to fix citizens every time the 1 pollution from mass transit hits a tile or causes global warming. After 120 turns of micromanaging I just wanted the game to end.
I abandoned Paris in the middle ages, and it popped back up as I was rebuilding the Aztec lands.
The reduced corruption from democracy was not worth 8 turns of anarchy.
I was 1 tile away from domination, as shown by MapStat.
DaveMcW said:
That's what I call walking the tightrope.
You'd need to do some clever computations to keep your cities from unwanted cultural boundery growth. Or did you just abandon cities that are about to grow?
Of course. Very clever! The beauty of simplicity.
This was my first GOTM as well as my first game on emperor. I played PTW. I finished the English quite early to secure the Iron, but waited to take on the Iroqois. I was already in republic when I cleared our continent with my first wave of cavalries. I was astonished how weak the Iroqois were. My troops sliced through his territory facing not much resistance. He was able to throw 6 or 7 cavalries against my troops until I cut off his horses. I had a good amount of cannons, so his defensive units fell quickly giving me two leaders out of this war. One army was built and with the second leader I completed my FP in London. After this war I did not declare any other war, but all the other guys thought that they should visit me. All of them got a bloody nose. Then they turned against each other. I even did not have to encourage someone, so due to their constant wars against each other I catched up in tech by the modern era. Greece completed the UN, but as they were in war almost all the time I was quite sure that Alexander would not call for the vote. Generally I did not build any wonder. I just took what the English and Iroqois gave me. That were just a few of the early ones. I also traded not that much on techs. I tried to research as much as possible by myself. My spaceship launched in 1976, but after the winning popup the game quitted with a failure notice. I think I have put one file-package in the wrong directory, so I will not submit this one. My last save is too far back. I played from the early afternoon until late in the evening without saving in between. 
Have you got an autosave? If you have I'm sure the GOTM staff would be OK with you replaying the final turn (after you fix the install!).markh said:... so I will not submit this one. My last save is too far back. I played from the early afternoon until late in the evening without saving in between.
markh said:
Well done for winning. It is great to have new players. Losing all those moves sounds really painful. Given the inherent instability of computers and Civ, maybe you ought to consider turning on autosave. The gotm installation does seem to occasionally deliver a final kick in the teeth to some unlucky players. It might be wise to save on the turn before winning as well. We would like as many submissions as possible, especially as your score sounds slightly lower than mine
.Thanks offa. It would be a pain to replay. Normally I save one turn before victory, but this time I must have too tired. Originally I wanted to finish the next day, but it is always just one more turn. I already heard my bed calling for me. I was even too tired to smash my PC. Next time I will be more careful.
Ouch 
that hurts, markh.
Reloading in this case would have been perfectly legitimate, and would have earned you your first entry in the GOTM tables -and not even a bad one, at that
At least, I hope you had fun with the game anyways; better luck next month with the submission!
And remember that you can always PM a staff if you have problems with the installation.
that hurts, markh.Reloading in this case would have been perfectly legitimate, and would have earned you your first entry in the GOTM tables -and not even a bad one, at that
At least, I hope you had fun with the game anyways; better luck next month with the submission!
And remember that you can always PM a staff if you have problems with the installation.
markh said:
If you remember the Firaxis score you got, you can check that as soon as the Jason calculator is updated for GOTM31, on this page
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