GOTM 37 Second (and final) Spoiler.

Randy said:
I will do a better post in a day or two.
Don't bother ;) - you beat me by a beastly 2 points.
It looks like I will be medalless in this my last GOTM. As far as I can see Sir Pleb or Dynamic haven't posted yet. So even if I should beat grahamiam things don't look promising.

Congratulations! Your results have really improved, much faster than mine did.
 
Megalou said:
So one could say that you don't have time to hurry.

Hurry marketplaces that is.
warring without markets as a republic is suicide, so i do build them. to me, they're just as important as barracks. also helps in the end when you turn off research and short rush cav's :)
 
Yep Baby. I was thinking of the more "unnecessary" rushing, like in newly conquered towns that still have 7-8 luxuries. I don't think it makes much difference, so it'll be interesting to compare scores.
 
well, if randy beat you by 2 points, and i beat randy by 9 points... :mischief: really, i need to get off my butt and do a decent spoiler so we can rightly compare. i at least owe you that courtesy if this is your last gotm. :)
 
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My spoiler gave little info, but I'm too devastated (and shall hereby change name to Mini-Loo) to write another, so I'm offering my 17 page timeline here.

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Wow, I'm 2 points ahead of Megalou and 9 points behind grahamiam. Now I will have to do a better post so we can compare.
 
GOTM 37, Open latest patch.

Goal: Just win. This is my first diety game.

1250 BC: Arabs have “Construction”. It will cost 3 techs, 511gp, and world map. So we do the deal and enter the MA. We sell it to Carthage for 267gp and world map.

We declare war on Germany. We get Persia and Rome to help. This should keep the East out of my hair for a little bit. Persia paid 201 for “Construction” + alliance with Germany. Rome paid 7 for “Construction” + alliance with Germany. We sell “Construction” to France for 78GP. My plan is to give Rome and Persia some one to pick on besides me. It worked like a charm!

1175 BC: A barb got one of the scouts on its way home. Akwesasne founded in jungle to east. This is as far east as I expanded. I have 1 city on the land bridge to the west. If Rome or Persia want to attack me I hope to hold them here.

1150 BC: France hooks up our first trade route. We buy silk for fur, world map and 44gp.
1100 BC: Tyendenaga founded.
1075 BC: Kahnawake founded.
1050 BC: We got a barb village. Incense are hooked up. We sell India “Currency”.

QSC Stats:

13 towns.
33 populations.
1 settler.
6 workers.
2 slaves.
7 warriors.
1 spearman.
1 swordsman.
8 Mounted Warriors.
1 granary.
2 temples.

1214gp and 36gpt

Score:
Persia 643
Germany 614
France 610
Arabia 557
India 516
Carthage 504
Rome 485
Iroquois 449

QSC Score from CRpMapStat: 7186

Rome and Germany do not have “Currency”.
4 AI have “Literature”.
Persia has “Feudalism” but will not sell it.

India, Persia, Rome, and Iroquois are at war with Germany. As far as I know this has been the only war. I still have 10 turn left in this war. But I will stay at war with Germany until the end of the game.

975 BC: We trade Rome “Currency” for “Literature”.
925 BC: France and Persia sign a military alliance against Germany
One of our Mounted Warriors attacks Heidelburg and wins, starts our Golden Age.

I hit the “E” instead of “D” button (I’m still trying to buy “The Republic” or “Feudalism”). There in front of me is an option that said “Steal Tech”. I look at it for 10 minutes way all the odds go outside smoke a cig. Look at it more and more. Go outside and smoke more cigs. Come back in and do the following:

Felling brave we steel “The Republic” from Persia for 514gp. I can’t believe it worked! The RNG Gods sometimes just love you.
Wow, that went so well we try it again. We steel “Feudalism” from Persia for 514gp.

We sell “The Republic” to Arabia for 411gp, world map, and dyes.

We start the revolution. This will lose 1 turn of our Golden Age but in the long run I think it will work out better.

900 BC: We are now a republic
825 BC: We steel “Monotheism” from France for 563gp. (I’m starting to feel that I am really China in disguise).
775 BC: Trade “Republic” to Carthage for “Monarchy” and 25gp.
710 BC: The French city of Marseilles has The Great Library.

FRENCH WAR 670 BC to 410 BC.

670 BC: Demand 36gp from France, they pay. Cancel fur for silk deal. Declare war on France. Give India “Republic” to declare on France. Pay Carthage 116gp, wine, fur, & world map for war with France. We raise size 5 Avignon it had 2 workers and 2 catapults. Set lux to 10%. Capture Tours. Take 6 French slaves.
630 BC: Persia get Arabia into German War.
610 BC: The French have 6 main cities and 1 far away, yet they are still building 2 wonders?
510 BC: Marseilles falls with The Great Library!
490 BC: We learn “Engineering”, “Theology”, and “Chivalry”. Paris falls with silk, but the city screen does not show it?
470 BC: End of Golden Age. Marseilles Deposed! Marseilles falls again. Orleans falls with 6 slaves.
430 BC: We get “Printing Press”. We get a great leader!
410 BC: Persia gets India to declare war on Germany. Rheims falls. France is gone!

We tell India remove your troops or war! They remove. This lets us get the leader to Ganogeh to rush the FP. We have 15.1% of known world.

370 BC: Arabia and Germany make peace.

CARTHAGE WAR 310 BC to 50 BC.

310 BC: Demand Carthage to remove troops, they do it. Demand 19gp and WM, they do. Declare war on Carthage, get Arabia, Rome, and India to help. Take Leptis Magna.
290 BC: Sell Persia wine for 6gp and 6gpt. I don’t want Carthage to get Persia to help them so maybe this will stop that.
270 BC: We got “Education”. An elite Medieval Infantry made a leader. We rush Leonardo’s Workshop in Caughawaga. We capture Utica. This gives us dye our 5th lux.

210 BC: Steal “Gunpowder” from Arabia for 738gp. I’m starting to get hooked on this steal thing. With science set to 0% and stealing the techs I have a lot of money!

We have 1 saltpeter hooked up. I’m in 2nd place, 54 points out of 1st.

170 BC: Great leader.
150 BC: The city of Carthage fall it has 11 slaves in it!
130 BC: India took last Carthage core city, they have one city on the east side of the world.
110 BC: India and Carthage made peace, India broke our deal. Goigouen Founded.

We are 1 point out of 1st place!

70 BC: We steal “Astronomy” from Arabia for 762gp. We rush Copernicus’s Observatory in Akwesasne our jungle city. I want to have a nice cultural boarder here.
50 BC: we get Copernicus’s Observatory.

Carthage left their last city by boat, our 1hp of 5hp knight can just walk in and take the city! We do it! Carthage has been destroyed! (SEE PICTURE AT BOTTOM).

INDIAN WAR (red dot not feather) 30 AD to 290 AD.

30 AD: Demand 17gp from India, all they have. They pay. Demand “Banking”, they say no, we say war! Arabia joins the war for a map and 351gp

70 AD: Stole “Banking” from Arabia for 810gp. This steal thing is un real.

90 AD: We sell Arabia silk for map and 207gp. We see Persia has a small island town. Arabia get Persia to declare war on India.
110 AD: We pillage India’s fur. Raze the city of Theveste with 6 slaves.
130 AD: Sell Persia Wine for 168gp. Pillage Indian saltpeter.
150 AD: Pillage Indian iron.
170 AD: Persia get Arabia to declare war on Germany.
230 AD: Arabia made peace with India, Arabia brook our war treaty.
We get Rome to declare on India they were trading with them.
250 AD: Germany and Rome make peace.

280 AD: Stole “Chemistry” from Persia for 820gp. Calcutta fell. India has 1 city left.

Set science to 70%. At this point I am going to try to beat all AI “Metallurgy” and “Military Tradition”.

Sell “Banking” to Rome for spice, map, and 3gp.
Sell Arabia “Chemistry” for map, 44gpt, and 10gp.

290 AD: Sign right of passage with Arabia. I want to stage for my next target and pillage all resources on the first turn of the war.

Jaipur falls that’s the last Indian city. India is gone! Set science to 80% and lux to 10%.

300 AD: Sell Persia incense for 55gp and 6gpt. Just to slow their science a little.

340 AD: All foreign cities have been reduced to size 1.
We have 50 cities and 33.9% of the world.

360 AD: Persia and Germany make peace. We learn “Metallurgy”. Sell it to Persia for 37gpt, 83gp, “Navigation” and “Economics”. Sell it to Arabia for 59gpt and world map. We sell “Chemistry” to Rome for gems and 16gp. I can get “Military Tradition” in 6 turns. Set science to 100%.

Pull most Knights from Arabia to upgrade. Only left the ones (4) on their north iron. I was going to go to war next turn but decide to wait on cavs.

370 AD: Sell silk to Arabia for 10gpt and 89gp.
380 AD: Sell wine to Persia for 5gpt and 71gp. New Niagara Falls founded.

420 AD: We learn “Military Tradition” first. Upgrade 49 knights for 490gp. With 50 cavalry, 9 knights, and 29 musket men our army is only average to Persia but strong against Arabia.

430 AD: Arabia got JS Bach’s Cathedral, nice it will be mine soon! Persia and Arabia both learned “Military Tradition” just one turn after me. I will have to move on Arabia asap.

ARABIA WAR 440 AD to 500 AD

440 AD: With the right of passage and all troop in place we demand 75gp and “Music Theory” from Arabia. They pay. We declare on them any way, pay Rome “Metallurgy” to join in.

Pillage all iron, saltpeter, and horses in Arabia’s land.
Our 4 knights to the north pillage the iron and the three other try for Baghdad. I don’t think I’ll take the city but try any way.
Raze the city of Baghdad (more luck that is where all their dye is). One knight even made it back home alive and elite. He also got a leader late in the game. But I’m getting ahead.

450 AD: Steal “Physics” for 1010gp from Persia. Now I know I’m just China all wrapped up in feathers.

460 AD: We get a leader. (Not the knights).
470 AD: Our leader hurries Smith’s Trading Co. We get an other great leader! (Not the knights) We hurry Magellan’s Voyage with him! We don’t need it but it is the only wonder left. Mecca falls with The Hanging Gardens, JS Bach’s, 4 slaves and a catapult.
480 AD: We get both wonders.

490 AD: We get Rome to declare war on Germany. I want all there offence as far form me as possible. They will be my next target. Right of passage with Rome. After the stunt I just did to Arabia I can’t believe Rome fell for this.

500 AD: Medina deposed with a lot of cav. About 10 wonded. Retake Medina, Arabia is gone!

PERSIA WAR 530 AD to 700AD

530 AD: We try to steal “Magnetism” for 1034gp but it fails and war with Persia. I could have bought it for 2000gp+. Busted, my troops are all over Rome. But I have a lot of troop beside Persia, I have to go past to get to Rome so this is not the end of the world, will unless you live in Persia. I was going to leave Persia in tacked so this added about 40 or so years to my game.

We give Rome “Physic” for war with Persia. Sardis falls. Raze Hamadan.

570 AD: Leader from an old knight. (Yes, the one from the start of the last war.) We rename him and send him to upgrade. He was my last kniht.
600 AD: Persepolis fell with The Pyramids.
670 AD: Peace with Persia for their island city. Failed to steal tech from Persia. No war. They won’t sell their tech, so war.
690 Gordium deposed to Persia. We retake it. Take a Persian city in north.

1 TURN ROME WAR

We are 37 tiles short of winning so war on Rome, we have a unit on every one of their iron and saltpeter. We demand 17gp and map. They pay. With the right of passage we move in and attack.

We take 4 cities.

700 AD: WE WIN!!!!

Firaxis score: 10985
Jason score: 11130
 
Sorry, but my notes are crap.

Exit Ancient age in 1050BC, with 11 cities and 19 swords and some other stuff. Currently at war with France, using an MA with India vs them. I have razed and replace 1 French town.

In 1000BC, Carthage declares against us but never really threatens as they have been at war vs the Arabs most of the game.

In 975BC, the Persian SoD shown in my AA spoiler attacks and punches thru. In desperation, I sign on the Romans vs Persia for Republic and 81g. I lose Oil Springs in 925BC but capture it back in 710BC

In 875BC, I get my 1st Great Leader via an elite sword vs a French warrior. Hurry the Great Library in Grand River.

In 850BC we revolt to Republic and kick off our GA the following turn with an MW kill of a Persian immortal.

Peace with Persia in 690BC so I can concentrate on France and Carthage, paying them 240g, which is fine since research is off.

650BC, Germany cheerfully convinces the Indians to declare on us, which is good since they were #2 on my list.

550BC has our 2nd Great Leader, and he rushes Leo’s in Sala in 510BC

In 370BC, I capture the last French town on our side of the choke, getting 1 more town for peace. Disband the town since Germany will get it next turn.

By 230BC, I have made a significant drive with knights into Indian land. I sign peace for another town, leaving the last town for Carthage to take.

130BC has the Great Library become obsolete due to Education, but I get all the way to Chem’s with it.

70BC, Carthage declares on us and I destroy them by 10AD. They were very weak and could not counter Knights. I also got another Great leader in 30BC, and he was used to hurry the FP in former Carthage lands.

At around 150AD, I start warring with the Arabs and it’s quite a back and forth battle. The mountains are difficult and a lot of knights are lost. I finally learn MT in 320AD and we start making real progress. By 460AD, the Arabs are destroyed, but no before producing another Great Leader in 250AD, which is used to rush Copernicus in Sala.

Also during this time, Rome gets a little frisky and tries to punch thru the choke hills with about 10 or 12 MDI’s and LB’s. By this time I have roaded those hills and placed fortifications on them. 3 muskets and a knight hold but barely (down to a 1/5 musket), with more Roman units on the way. I MA Persia vs them in 280AD and they immediately turn around. This was very close.

With the Arabs almost finished by the early 400’s, I start trying to figure out a way to take the other half of the landmass. At this time, Persia controlled the other side of the choke and were very strong. The obvious opponent to take out was Rome but I had no access (a Persian Musket blocked the way). Therefore, I established New Oil Springs across the bay, using 2 galleons and a caravel to escort troops. No sooner had I landed 2 cavs and 2 workers, than the German’s sneak attacked me (460AD). I lose the workes but hold the town. Sign Persia and Rome on against them, thinking that this would at least gas one of them. Progress was slow but I finally capture Berlin with the Pyramids in 560AD. Germany was soon after destroyed by the Persians or Romans.

In 570AD steam came in and I finally shut off research.

In 640AD, I set up an RoP Rape against Rome, taking 5 cities on the 1st turn and completely crippling them. Only RoP rape of the game and very unsatifying :( I'd rather have lined up on the border and seen how many I could take the 1st turn but Persia knew Nationalism and I wanted Rome out before they learned it too. I even sign Persia up against them to make sure I don’t get sneak attacked. Rome (the city) was a tough nut to crack (cost me 6 or 7 Cav’s), but was finally taken a few turns after the rape.

Rushed some settlers and filled in the gaps as quick as possible, triggering a dom win in 710AD.

Tech progression( lost all Glib tech dates except the last few):
250BC: Gunpowder
130BC: Education and Chemistry
30AD: PP (beaten by 1T by Persia)
210AD: buy Astro from Germany for Metal. Not sure when I got Metal.
320AD: MT, Banking, Navigation, Music Theory
380AD: Physics
450AD: Magnetism and buy Economics
No notes for ToE.
570AD: Steam
Research shut off and short rushed cav’s via muskets from here on out.

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Here are the mini-map of my war end dates. I made all of them from my autosaves so they are before I took the last city or cities.
 
@Randy,
All those stolen techs - I've never seen anything like it. Wonderful story about the D and E buttons. And then you demanded Music theory + gold and GOT it? You were out of despotism much earlier than me. OTOH my Golden Age came a bit later which may be a slight advantage (bigger empire - more revenue). Comparing some more, you captured the Great Library which of course is a big advantage. You attacked Persia which as you say was probably a slower alternative than Rome. I don't understand how a Persian musketman could have blocked your way. On the land bridge?

More comparing: it looks like I founded more cities in unlikely places. E.g. I claimed spices from Rome long before the war against them. I also fought only pikemen (like cutting through butter) in Arabia whereas you seemed to have a slightly tougher time there. Finally, you smoke and I use wet snuff. I can't believe the latter is the one that is banned in EC. It should have its own place in the tech tree. :lol: It's all about money.
 
@ Megalou

No one was on my land bridge. The Persian War was due to my failed try to steal “Magnetism”. I didn't even need it. I just got so used to taking the techs at will that I forgot what could happen if it failed. So I had a 4 turn delay while troops came back from Rome. I was goning to attack after the tech steal. I think Rome would have fallen in 2 to 3 turns. So that may have set me back 100 years.
 
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Going for 20K culture.

Link to Ancient Age spoiler

Warfare and Expansion

At the beginning of the Middle Ages at 825BC I was at war with Persia and with Arabia. I didn't expect to see much action in either of these wars: in the east Rome and Germany were allied with me against Persia; in the west Carthage and India were allied with me against Arabia.

In 800BC Carthage brought France into the anti-Arabian alliance. This was very good news. France would start sending troops through Carthage to reach Arabia. After a while I'd be able to attack a vulnerable France.

I'd started short rushing Mounted Warriors recently and had 12 at this date. A few of them were waiting at the Persian border for a Persian unit to wander past. In 730BC they got their chance, destroyed a Persian unit, and triggered my Golden Age.

A few Civs knew Feudalism and Engineering. Presumably these were Persia and Germany's free techs. So I researched Monotheism while I built up my military and watched France send troops toward Arabia. Unfortunately France learned Feudalism during this time so my MWs would be facing Pikemen, not just Spearmen.

In 590BC I learned Monotheism. My military was up to 29 MWs. I declared on France, then traded Monotheism to Carthage and India to get Feudalism, Engineering, and alliances against France from both of them. That would take care of all of France's offensive units, trapped in Carthage and India now :)

Even though she had the Great Wall France fell fairly quickly. I razed one city to make space for my intended future Palace location and captured the rest. In 470BC I took the Great Wall from France. In 430BC I took Hanging Gardens. In 410BC I got leader #1. I saved him to rush Bach's later on. And in 390BC I eliminated France from the game.

At the same date, 390BC, I learned Theology. My Golden Age research, combined with the AIs having spent a lot of time at war, had resulted in me keeping up with the AI research pace. Germany and Rome had recently made peace with Persia. So I made peace too and then traded Theology around to get Invention and 103gpt.

Next I built up the population in my intended new Palace city, moved almost my entire military there, and jumped the Palace in 290BC. My part of the world then looked like this:

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Next I worked on building and researching for a while. I didn't want my next war until I both had Knights (by trading for Chivalry when possible, my own research was aimed at the 20K goal) and had used my saved leader.

In 90BC my leader rushed Bach's. By this time I had 25 Knights as well as 6 elite Mounted Warriors. Carthage was my next target because she had the Pyramids. I declared on her immediately.

Nothing special in this war. I got leader #2 early in it and used him for an army to enable Heroic Epic. My casualties were high but I was disconnecting and reconnecting iron and short-rushing MWs for upgrading - I stayed roughly even with my losses.

In 190AD Carthage was out of the game and I declared on Arabia, who had not yet learned Chivalry. In 250AD I traded for Metallurgy and decided to slow down while researching Military Tradition. Did lots of short rushing and in 300AD I was able to upgrade 53 units to Cavalry.

In 320AD Persia started a new war on me. I allied Rome and Germany against her and sent a few Cavalry to defend the bridge. Aside from that I'd ignore Persia for a while, wanted to clean up the western lands first.

In 330AD I finished off Arabia. In 360 declared on India. I went slowly, farming for leaders, but no luck. I took India's last continental city in 420AD, reducing her to one island town:

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By this time I'd had a very large number of elite wins without producing a third leader. Yuk, just what I didn't want in a 20K game, a leader drought.

Still at war with Persia, I repositioned my cavalry and began invading her. This war was straightforward. Along the way I learned Steam Power and began building railroads.

During the invasion of Persia I decided that India would be my final "captive" opponent. I surrounded her island town and gave her peace.

I eliminated Persia in 560AD. Near the end of that war I finally got leader #3. I wasn't counting elite wins and can't be sure but suspect this was a record leaderless run for me. I used this leader for Universal Suffrage. After this there wasn't much for another leader to do for a while so I stayed at peace with my remaining rivals. I was now well ahead of them in strength and in tech, I could afford to delay hitting them for a while.

In 650AD it was time to continue. I declared on Rome and got leader #4 immediately. I slowed down until he was used. Then in 750AD got leader #5 and after that gave Rome peace.

Soon after, in 830AD, Germany sneak attacked me. No big deal, my forces were far stronger. I got leader #6 during this war then gave Germany peace in 990AD. At that time my world looked like this:

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My military consisted of only cavalry and artillery. I'd now ensured that neither Rome or Germany could get rubber so it was safe enough to delay finishing them off until I needed leaders. And my military was strong enough that I could afford the long border I had with both Civs.

In 1180AD I declared on Rome, immediately got leader #7 and carried on to eliminate her in 1190AD.

In 1300AD I declared on Germany, immedately got leader #8, got leader #9 two turns later, and eliminated Germany after that in 1315AD.

20K Culture

During the final stages of the game I milked for score while continuing to add culture to Niagara Falls. After a while it became diminishing returns. Many of the late wonders improved my projected 20K date by only two or three turns. Still they added up and were worth doing.

Throughout the game I researched toward enabling culture 20K builds, treating military and milking goals as secondary most of the time.

In 1762 Niagara Falls reached 20K culture. Not a great 20K date in PTW. I didn't get a single ancient wonder. And I did poorly in the Middle Ages with a long leaderless run. Still, the game was easier than I expected for deity level. I never fell behind in tech and was able to control the game from the start of the Middle Ages, resulting in Niagara Falls making good progress on its own. And I did get a nice score to go with that 20K date ;)

Culture improvements in Niagara Falls were:
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[I] date   improvement          comments[/I]
2110BC  Temple               built + pop rush
1150BC  Forbidden Palace     built
 975BC  Library              built
 800BC  Colosseum            cash rush
 570BC  Cathedral            cash rush
  90BC  Leonardo's           built cascade, went for Sistine but missed it
  70BC  Bach's               leader#1
  30BC  University           cash rush
 150AD  Heroic Epic          built
 380AD  Shakespeare's        built
 550AD  Newton's             built
 560AD  Universal Suffrage   leader#3
 670AD  Smith's Trading      built
 690AD  Theory Of Evolution  leader#4
 760AD  Military Academy     built
 770AD  Hoover Dam           leader#5 (funny in Niagara Falls!)
 850AD  Battlefield Medicine built
 900AD  Wall Street          built
1180AD  Research Lab         built
1190AD  SETI                 leader#6
1255AD  United Nations       leader#7
1310AD  Cure For Cancer      built
1315AD  Longevity            leader#8
1355AD  Apollo Program       built
1360AD  Manhattan Project    leader#9
1435AD  The Pentagon         built
1460AD  Intelligence Agency  built
 
MiniMe said:
There was however a minor detail I forgot. Having the Great Library gave me Chivalry very early. Something I would probably not have researched for a long time if at all. This means that after I triggered GA, I can no longer build cheap Mounted Warrier. I need to make heavy invest in Knights. Not good, I would have liked to build hordes of MW until Cav and then mass upgrade.
There is a way to handle this, though some people consider it an exploit. I built Mounted Warriors for a long time after learning Chivalry in this game:

I positioned 9 workers and a swordsman on an iron mountain. I pillaged all other sources of iron. (In the past I jave actually abandoned a town which turned out to be on iron to make this work :) ) Each turn the nine workers would road the iron, then I'd upgrade MWs produced in the prior turn, then the swordsman pillaged the iron before the turn ended.
 
@SirPleb
Thanks for the hint. I am quite disappointed I didnt think of this myself during the game. Exploit or not, I would have used it:)

Talking about mistakes, my other messup was to attack Persia just after they entered IA and they must have gotten Nationalism as free tech because rifles were all over. Instead should have taken out the others first who were still lots of turn from IA. When I after a difficult war with Persia got to India/Arabia/Germany they also had rifles of course.

BTW, congratulations with the 20k victory. Is it the highest AND lowest scoring 20K this month?? :)
 
I don't have too much to say as I didn't really have time to take notes for most of this one. I conquered and conquested much as all of you did. A turning point was when I captured the GL from the French in 70AD and get around twenty techs from it. After that I went on to wipe out everyone, reucing Germany and Persia to one or two cities. I didn't want a late domination victory, so I decided to hunker down and go for 100k, as that shouldn't be too popular this month, I hope. In the end, I ended up crossing the threshhold in 1776. Nothing great, but the game was a blast.
 
MiniMe said:
Is it the highest AND lowest scoring 20K this month?? :)
No, Redbad also made a fine effort. As a language teacher I must of course admonish Redbad for not dividing his spoiler into paragraphs, which may explain why you missed it. :mischief:

I'm getting a bit bold in my remarks here due to my imminent disappearance from the forum (until the advent of Civ IV), but I hope it is not considered as flaming. :)
 
Megalou said:
No, Redbad also made a fine effort. As a language teacher I must of course admonish Redbad for not dividing his spoiler into paragraphs, which may explain why you missed it. :mischief:

Hmmmm, that was indeed why I missed it yes. It even was the first post in this thread. My apologies to Redbad for disregarding his blob of text :p
 
MiniMe said:
@SirPleb
Talking about mistakes, my other messup was to attack Persia just after they entered IA and they must have gotten Nationalism as free tech because rifles were all over. Instead should have taken out the others first who were still lots of turn from IA.


:hmm: I thought that my mistake was that I left Persians to be while attacking others. They were only nation capable of killing me and they did it at the end :(
 
solenoozerec said:
:hmm: I thought that my mistake was that I left Persians to be while attacking others. They were only nation capable of killing me and they did it at the end :(

It is true that fear of mighty Persia was the thing that made me attack them. But taking out carthaginian core with my bright and shining cavalry just before that was an affair of about 3 turns. At that time I even saw Indian spearmen. India was just begging to be next, as was the Arabs. But I had to be a hero and go after Persia. Very tough and long war and afterwards all the others had riflemen. Clearing out the left side of continent first would also have saved lots of transport cost. Think about it: First carthage, then everyone over to Persia, then everyone back to Arabs, then Germany sneak attacked so everyone over to germany. Then finally everyone back to India.
 
I find myself with a victory condition dilema.

I am about a 3rd of the way thru the modern era. I just self-researched Synthic Fibers. I control everything west of the chokepoint and have close to 100 Modern Armor invading Persia. I think I have the game in the bag. I can kill both Persia and Germany before they can build a SS. So far neither has started. (France who was the tech leader is down to 1 city on the island, had 4 parts a one point.)

It is 1848AD.

I captured UN around 40-50 turns ago. I have violated just about every kind of agreement possible so I never considered Diplomatic VC. In hindsight, I have heard enough to realize I probably could have pulled it off.

Anyway, at this point I think I can get any VC I want. (Except 20K, of course.) The question is which would be best?

I am around 50% of tiles towards Dom limit. I have enough stuff to get there pretty quickly. (10-20 turns)

I have culture in the 40,000s vs. Persia in the 60,000s but I have Internet so I am gaining fast. This one is a reach but I probably get there before a Histograph win. Not sure, I haven't done the math. Edit: Oops, just checked MapStat - 51,000 vs 80,000 - more of a long shot then I thought.

I have the army and two productive cores with around 20+ cities able to build Armor anywhere from 2 to 6 turns.

My research rate is low, 10-12 turns/tech. But I have been buying tech pretty successfully. So I can probably double my research pace if I don't research. I have been able to steal tech a couple of times as well.

I have been thinking SS VC or Histograph, but this has been going on so long I am tempted to take a dom win.

Anyone got any advice or ideas?
 
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