GR13 - AWE on LK's world map

[vmxa]

Ok I evaluated the losses for India and I now suspect they are even weaker in terms of research. They are at least 12 turns and more likely 14 or 15 turns in this tech.

They have to have dropped a lot in beakers over my turn set. So that is something like 150-200bpt. I think I put them at least 5000 beakers to start my session. That means they are 6000 to 6200 now. They are not going to get any breakthrough in the next turn set regardless of what they are researching.

They would need about 4000 more beakers to finish flight. Even if they are able to maintain 200bpt and their price is 10k, that is 20 turns. They are done researching. We may as well pick what ever tech we want for the next one.

Me I prefer tanks to deal with infantry here or in the New World. Flight will be nice to stop those bombardment, but we will have a lot of arties to use to slow them a ton, till we do get to flight.

Either way is not a big deal. We could always get lucky and one of the other top tech civs could give it to us, but I doubt it. They are all in the same shape as India now and will suffer even more soon as we can reach a lot of there towns.

 

[Greebley]

That is one of my worries - the AI will die too quickly. I think China is our best bet for a tech since they will be strong the longest.

 

[M60A3TTS]

I got it. Just got a start on turn 4. No sign of flight from our friends. We have Kazan at the cost of a knight army. Mongols have moved their capital to eastern Siberia.

 

[ThERat]

We have Kazan

sounds good.

Greebley, again a request. In case M60A3TTS finishes tomorrow night (US sat night), could I play my turns first. I would be able to finish it in Sunday my time and you can play your turns from Sunday onwards.
Thanks

 

[vmxa]

We have to remove pressure from Kazan and hold it for a time, before we can risk selling off our hand made barracks. It still save us a lot of cash and now we get those healing barracks where ever go on the contient.

 

[M60A3TTS]

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Preturn- Destroy Koenigsburg for 7g. Cav army vs. musket.

Kill a pair of Persian red cav at Baghdad. Knight army kills Chinese rifle/settler. Whack a Russian and Indian pair of the same flavor. Add Mongol and Indian rifle. While I know the cash is for spying, we can always go to the bank for more. 16 vet spears and 3 pikes upgraded to infantry. 80 gold gets us a spy with the Mongols. 89 gold and spy dies in Babylon. 134 gold gets us a spy with Australia. 70 gold and a spy dies against Zulu. 74 against Persia. Another dead spy.

Turn 1 (1758AD)
Kill Mongol 3 rifles and a cav plus 15 gold. Ullangom destroyed.
Kill 3 Mongol rifles and a cav. We lose 2 cav. Get 15 gold and Choyr is destroyed.
Kill 3 Chinese rifles, a cav and an LB along with 7 gold and New Something is destroyed.
Kill 2 Mongol rifles and a cav plus 10 gold. New Almarikh is destroyed.
Kill 3 Mongol rifles and a cav plus 15 gold. Hovd is destroyed along with Knights Templar.
Kill Russian rifle plus 59 gold. Magnitogorsk destroyed.
Kill 2 Russian rifles plus 90 gold. Pharsalos is destroyed.
Kill 2 Mongol rifles and a cav plus 10 gold. Tosontsengel is destroyed.
Kill Persian rifle plus 38 gold. Istakhr is destroyed.
Kill 3 Chinese riders, 2 rifles, and an LB behind our lines.
Kill Russian spear with settler.
Kill 3 American cav with settler.
Kill 2 Chinese rifles with 2 settlers.
Trade a cav for three Russian rifles.
Kill Mongol rifle
Spend more dough. Upgrade 20 cannon to artillery.

IBT- Persia throws down a new town. Mongols pick off a few stray workers with cav.

Turn 2 (1760AD)
Kill Persian rifle and get 36 gold. Altin Tepe destroyed.
Kill 3 Russian rifles and get 66 gold. Novosibbirsk destroyed.
Kill 3 Mongol rifles and a cav and get 17 gold. Atlay is destroyed.
Kill 2 rifles at Punjab and one at Paoting.
Kill 3 Mongol rifles and get 17 gold. Dalanzadgad destroyed.
Kill 2 Mongol rifles and get 12 gold. Almarikh is destroyed.
Kill 5 Chinese rifles and get 11 gold. Nanking is destroyed along with Newton’s U.
Kill 2 Persian rifles and get 38 gold. Zohak (capital) is destroyed.
Kill 2 riders.
Kill Bab rifle.

IBT- Bombardment and a few landings.

Turn 3 (1762)

Kill 3 Chinese rifles and get 11 gold. Paoting is destroyed.
Kill 3 Russian rifles plus 73 gold. Lose a pair of cav. Mycenae (capital) is destroyed.
Kill 2 Russian rifles plus 76 gold. Tver is destroyed.
Kill 3 Mongol rifles plus 19 gold. Choybalsan is destroyed.
Kill 4 Mongol rifles and a cav plus 19 gold. Uulanbaatar (capital) is destroyed.
Kill 2 Russian cav plus 76 gold. Lose a cav. Samara is captured.
Kill 2 Russian rifles plus 80 gold. Ephesus is destroyed.
Kill Bab rifle, Carchemish is destroyed.
Assorted goodies- 1 Indian MI, 3 riders, Aztec settler, 2 Mongol cav, Persian cav, Russian rifle and LB, Bab rifle. DD Ptolemy sinks Zulu caravel.

IBT- Chinese capture a couple cannons. A little bombardment.

Turn 4 (1764AD)

Kill 3 Russian rifles. Irkutk is destroyed.
Kill 3 Mongol rifles and a cav plus 329 gold. Batshireet (capital) is destroyed.
Kill 3 Chinese rifles plus 9 gold. Shanghai is destroyed.
Kill Chinese rifle, LB and cannon
Rocky Mountain High founded
Kill 4 Chinese rifles, collect 332 gold. Do sacrifice a knight army unfortunately.
But Kazan is captured along with Sun’s.
DD Ramses sinks red Russian transport. Three red frigates trapped east of the Italian peninsula. Literally shooting fish in a barrel.
Kill French rifle with settler.
Kill 2 Chinese rifles at New Busiris
Kill 2 Chinese riders and an MI with settler.
Get my two cannons back and kill another Chinese rifle and LB.

IBT- Mongol and Russian town founded. Sword army in Kazan attacked by rider? Dummy dies.

Turn 5 (1766AD)

DD Ramses sinks frigate #1.
4 Cav army kills 3 Chinese infantry and a rider. So they have RP. Hangchow is destroyed. Mongols got a cash infusion so it looks like they’ve traded it around.
Kill 2 Indian rifles plus 467 gold. Punjab is destroyed.
Live and Let Die founded
Kill 3 Chinese infantry and Xinjian is destroyed.
Trade a cav for Mongol rifle and kill the new Mongol town plus 211 gold.
DD Imhotep sinks Iro frigate
Kill Chinese rifle.
Kill 2 German rifles plus 24 gold and New Shanghai is destroyed.
Kill 2 German rifles plus 26 gold and Bremen is destroyed.

IBT- Mass production in and the AI still doesn’t have flight. Start researching it at 90%, due in 8.

Turn 6 (1768AD)

Kill 2 infantry at Anyang
Kill 2 Mongol defenders and 220 gold. Mandalgovi is destroyed.
Kill 4 Chinese infantry and Macao is destroyed.
Kill 5 Chinese infantry and Beijing is captured.
Kill 3 Chinese infantry but lose another knight army. Canton is destroyed.
Abandon Beijing.
Kill 2 Persian rifles and 41 gold. Hert (capital) is destroyed.
Trade a cav for 2 Persian rifles and 45 gold. Bampur is destroyed.
DD Ramses and Imhotep sink a frigate. DD Ptolemy sinks an Indian transport
DD Nefertiti sinks an Aussie frigate.
Kill 4 Chinese riders
Kill Chinese rifle, MI, LB and settler.
Kill Iro rifle and settler.
Do another cannon upgrade of about 20.

IBT- Southern European Defense riots. A couple Mongol cav snag a few workers.

Turn 7 (1770AD)

Tippicanoe founded
Kill Chinese MI and Mongol settler.
Get MGL for an army.
Kill 4 Chinese infantry and Anyang is destroyed.
Kill 2 Mongol infantry and a cav and 228 gold. Capture Har-Ayrag.
Do the same to Tes for 234 gold.
Kill 3 infantry and level Baruun-Urt (capital) for 360 gold.
Kill 3 Chinese infantry and Kaifeng is destroyed.
Bombard India’s capital Chittagong and destroy rax, market, library, bank, cathedral, university, harbor
Kill 3 Mongol cav, Cossack, 2 Chinese infantry, 2 rifles and rider. Bab rifle.
DD Imhotep sinks Aztec frigate. DD Ptolemy sinks Zulu caravel.
Our fleet is up to 9 destroyers BTW. And I'll stop here with close to 40 enemy towns erased.

Flight in 7 at 90%. The AI doesn't have it, and we could be waiting a while for that. 5600 gold in the bank at -430 gpt means we will have plenty of cash considering all the Mongol towns to plunder. Although we aren't stealing it through espionage, the AI is still paying for our research essentially.
The tank vs flight thing is becoming irrelevant as the AI won't get to either before we can and our industrial output is starting to crank out serious #s of troops.

A lot of workers are stored at Baghdad as needed. I created some towns labeled Central Asian Outposts and stored some stuff there for the next player. The AI has been just about walled into Siberia and eastern Manchuria. Pop 9 is about their biggest town. The Mongol borders and rough terrain will make for slower going though.

 

[M60A3TTS]

 

[vmxa]

Looking good, but why not let the Indian settle and then raze it? BTW why do we want spies with all those lame civs?

 

[M60A3TTS]

You're right, the settler thing was a mistake. On the spy thing, it's pocket change but I was surprised the Zulu one failed.

On our navy, we have 15 additional destroyers coming on line in the next 5 turns, so that will help out the frigate nuissance. Other tidbit courtesy of F3

1756-1770AD

cav 127>130
inf 83>174
arty 38>65

 

[ThERat]

Looking good, hope we are soon ready for a landing in America.

Greebley let me know whether I can slot in my turns today...thanks

 

[Greebley]

Go ahead and play ThERat. I have something I need to do first anyway and couldn't start right away.

 

[ThERat]

Pre-Turn
familiarize myself with the situation, it has been a while since I played and the game sure looks different now
my goal will be to take out Madagaskar, Britain, then South East Asia with Indonesia and Philippines
identify Songhai slaves, merge and rush a transport in France

MM extensively, fail steal on sanitation, increase research to 100%

IT some workers get stolen and harbors take ages to complete
we get a ton of infantry, I change a few to Cavalry for better attack

1. 1772AD
bomb and take out 2 Iro frigates

It's Mongols and India we are after for their money
found Mongol Hordes to get access to Darhan, raze it for 249g and 4 arty
take Ta-Tu for 256g, Uliastay for 260g
raze Tabriz for 271g, capture Tsetserleg for 281g
need to stop there since road access is incomplete for the next cities and we ran out of armies
found Northern Tundra and take out Russian Arkhagelsk

move our entire Maginot wall of infantry eastwards
dang a lot of frigates, disband some useless cats to speed up 2 transports
unload 2 Cav armies in Britain

stats: 6 cities taken for 1.3k

IT French declare war on Chinese
China lands some units, so do Mongols, but they also got a free roaming Cav that steals some workers
India lands a settler on the continent, sure, go ahead
we better find it
our production is truly impressve by now
we also get 3 new transports

2. 1774AD
clear the Chinese settler quatro, leave Mongols and Indians alone as that will mean money for us

Britain:
bomb Brest from the mainland and take it so we can send reinforcements immediately
while liberating Besacon, get a leader (later abandon city)
raze Rouen and move towards the last French city there

Asia:
drop army next to Chittagong
find that I need to remove the Indian settler pair to make way for Singapore
this city is needed to give our transport a safe harbor before dropping units in Indonesia
raze last Russian city Chelyabinsk in the tundra
raze Mongol Ereen for 299g, take Tumentsogt for 311g, fight my way to take Hutag for 324g
this enables us to capture New Delhi in the far north grabbing 493g
New Bombay is next for 507g, realize we do not need it, since the other cities have no border expansions
abandon it, do the same with New Delhi
raze New Hangchow to clear the lines behind so that we can shift our attacks forward
raze New Madras for 523g

Africa: land an army and 6 units in Madagaskar, Zulu's defend still with ancient units

stats: 11 cities taken for 2.46k

IT we lose 2 exposed transports, 2 Persian + 1 Mongol Cavs are roaming in the trundra on their side of Maginot
Mongols found a city in former India as planned
India lands another victim settler pair
Russia and Babylon join the war against France
again we get a ton of units, swap more to cavs
start Kahun on a prebuild for a wonder (after it built an army), done in 15, we gotta watch that

3. 1776AD
Afirca:
capture New Bapedi in Madagaskar, Zulu are OCC

Britain:
raze Dijon and there is only 1 city in Ireland laft

Asia:
need to take out 4 units to raze the Babylonian capital Mari
raze Eerdenet for 322g, there are 2 Mongol cities left in the north before we can sweep eastwards and narrow the front substantially
autoraze new Mandalgovi for 337g
time to create some havoc in China
raze Ningpo, destroy New Nanking
found Unlock China to gain access to Tsingtao which we raze
take Shantung, New Canton, New Beijing

raze India's capital for 550g, land an army in Sumatra

stats: 11 cities taken for 1.2k

IT lose a transport with a Cav army on the wat to Ireland, thought we are safe there
the whole world allies against France
India get another town down on our continent

4. 1778AD
Africa:
take last Zulu city and Zulu's are NOT destroyed
locate 2 caravels, take them out and

Asia:
almost lose a fully healed army, but take out Ondorhaan for 368g
Bayanhongor is taken out for 388g and the northern part is free of the enemy
shift our Maginot line further east

found Unlock China part 2 to get at Chengdu, which is kept
raze size 12 Chinan and get an army for the effort
Tatung is razed, so is Yangchow
abandon Unlock China Part 2
move east, raze Chinese Salzburg
raze Persian Dakyanus for 60g, Tureng Tepe for 70g

raze New Delhi once again for 475gold, raze Ganges in Sumatra for 492g

stats: 12 cities taken for 1.8k

IT nothing much this time, the AI seems dead except the American Civs

5. 1780AD
Asia:
raze Babylon Larsa
take Mongol New Tsingtao for 430g
raze Pune for 518g, New Calcutta for 540g
raze New Xinjian
can't reach the rest of the towns due to lack of roads and tundra forest

found Get Russia and rush a transport there
rush another transport

stats: 5 cities taken for 1.5k

flight is due in the IT

 

[ThERat]

IT The AI drops several settler pairs, Iro's have some formidable naval forces
we get flight, on to MT in 6

6. 1782AD
swap Kahun back to army, our prebuild would be too fast
I refrain from building airports as they would slow the game even more. We can build plenty of airfields if required

Asia: raze Chinese Bonn and New Shantung, there are plenty of workers + airfields inside
turns out that it was 20 workers and 9 artillery, some of them our own
autoraze Merv for 64g and Behistun for 193g, the result:

capture New Lahore for 583g
take out Tobolsk, take Babylonian Nimrud, our lauchpad for America
Babylon has now more cities, yet it is still alive, some settlers must be hanging around
raze French Bordeaux (defended by pike/spear) :lol
capture New Jaipur as a second launchpad for 621g
raze New Paoting and New Yangchow and our entire continent is free of the enemy

time to plan for a proper invasion in America, this means sending over 2 armies next turn, razing a city and then sending over tons of units via arifields

start to convert former China/Mongolia into a big airfield array
land 3 more armies in Japan

stats: 11 cities taken for 1.46k

IT we get some landings, scary is the LB landing of Mongols in Madagaskar

7. 1784AD
spy on New Hyderabad and find they got only 2 rifles inside, but 8 annoying frigates
take it out with our army there, Madagaskar free of enemy cites as well now (get 628g)

while taking out a landing in England, almost lose an infantry against a warrior
bomb New Macao in japan and it has quite a few units inside
take out 8 units and raze the city, use a slave for an airfield
autoraze New Dacca in Sumatra for 659g

land the first army in Alaska
take out some Aztec frigates, land an army in Ireland

build more airfields, and lift some to Japan, England and Madagaskar
oure tedium

IT defeat 6 Chinese that attack our airfield


8. 1786AD
set up attack on 2 cities in Japan
get another Cav army in England taking out a Cav
our first bomber run destroys a harbor and stalls the game :lol"
autoraze Moscow in the far north arctic
raze Cologne in Ireland

destroy the first city in Alaska, it has a settler underneath, we are able to plant an airfield
send over our inf army and a whole bunch of units

land army in Borneo, move south in Sumatra, land next to Hannover

I feel this is the best time to hand over, when the invasion starts
Greebley, we have a ton more units, you can decide to build more airfields and send them now, or we send them next turn

I left 2 units active to highlight the areas where we do have units
the big airfield and near our capital, where various stacks are
there are more armies in the east to launch to America

MT is due in 4 at -572gpt, but we do have 9000g in the kitty

 

[ThERat]

save

and some pictures:

our airfields, there are more and we can build more, but maybe we simply wait for the IT before sending more units over

our airfield beachhead, transports can reach the shore in 1 turn, we might want to send over more armies, artillery and settlers

the world

we are currently making progress in Japan, Indonesia and starting America

 

[vmxa]

Now that is a lot of airfields. Must have been a real bore to plant all of them.

 

[vmxa]

Looks like Iroq will need a lot of pounding with over 300 infantry. They do not have much bombardment to aid them.

 

[Greebley]

Ok, I got it.

 

[ThERat]

Looks like Iroq will need a lot of pounding with over 300 infantry

considering the amount of Cavs they have, it might be wise to send some more infantry over for the initial onslaught, they might be able to reach us with rails.

 

[vmxa]

Lets not send them via naked transports. Someone mentioned more cavs rather than infantry for attack, but they have the same attack rating, other than the retreat and I like a few inf armies to soak up those bombers and cavs.

We don't need the extra movement as we have so many armies. Any unit you would attack with a cav can be attacked by an infantry, but the infantry will stand a better chance on defense. In fact if it still has 3HP, will probably be left alone.

The trick is to get a place the AI will attack them, like a beach head town. I doubt we can do that after we have a few towns laid down. Our attacking them will a lot more tedious and costly. Well I guess we can afford the cost though.

I was shocked to see how small the Aztecs military is, given how much land they controlled.

 

[Greebley]

In four turns it won't matter a hill of beans which is better. I won't be building either of them ever again

Just going to go with what ThERat set up.