Great Wonders Elimination Thread

[Leucarum]

I'm a bit shocked that the Coliseum is getting voted down already! It's a wonder that is so much of an early boost that I'll often make getting it part of my early game priorities. If you do push it - the AI rarely beelines to it first. Huey Teocali on the other hand is very map dependant and even then the effects are not super inspiring. I'll occasionally build it if its hanging around.

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [3]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [9]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [18]
Estádio do Maracanã [6]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [16]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [15]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [13]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [1]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [17]

 

[Josephias]

+1) Ruhr Valley (13 >> 14) Ok, I'll stop defending underdogs for now and I'll go for an obvious good one that unexpectedly is at less than 15 already. A potential Ruhr Valley city is enough reason to deviate to Science Victory if you had not decided to devote completely to a different victory type. Of course, this is situational as you have to find a nearby hills+river area, but undeniably powerful if you have this possibility.

-3) Colossus (9 >> 6) Colossus was not mean to go in the first batch, but now it is already time. It is difficult to defend a +1 extra trade route (which is easily achieved by one extra island city + dock-lighthouse) with empire wide benefits (Huey Teocalli), Extra cards (Potala, Alhambra), DV points (Potala, Liberty) or even Taj's "forget about forcing you age points" confort effect (even if it is not relevant for many).

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [3]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [18]
Estádio do Maracanã [6]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [16]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [15]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [14]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [1]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [17]

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Angkor Wat [4] 3+1, plus 1 pop/housing in every city is very good as population is required for districts, wish it came with an amenity as well that's the downside.

Estádio do Maracanã [3] 6-3, too late too situational, bit of a meme, build it once for the achievement and forget about it!

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [4]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [9]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [18]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [16]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [15]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [13]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [1]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [17]

 

[pjotroos]

Three posts were made while I was writing this, so hopefully I got the scores right.

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [1] (4-3) Of all the ones remaining on the list, I'm least likely to build this. It takes some doing to line up the extra population and housing in a way that will genuinely translate into benefits of an earlier district. Sure, I'll grab it if there's nothing else to do, but I'd rather have Taj Mahal (the extra points from that can add up enough to give me a golden era when I would've gotten normal without it) or even Huey, if the city has big enough lake.
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [18]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [16]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [15]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15] (14+1) I'll happily invest the production or engineer charges into it early in order to have super-powered city waiting for the space race, especially if the city has nothing else crucial waiting to be built. Not the absolute top tier wonder, but doesn't deserve to be below par just yet.
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [1]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [17]

 

[Civ Chemist]

Mont St. Michel [16] (15+1): Love this wonder. As I've said in previous posts, in my experience reliquaries strategies usually lead to the fastest culture victories (except for MagCathy), and this is the key for the strategy to work. It also helps a lot that the AI doesn't really care for this wonder and I don't remember the last time I was not able to build it. It also has very easy placement requiriments (marsh or floodplains). The only downside is that it loses a lot of power if you were not able to pick reliquaries, but since the AI almost never picks it, it's not that big of a problem.

Hagia Sophia [13] (16-3): Probably a controversial downvote, but I never bother with this wonder in religious victories. On land maps it comes too late to matter, especially since you probably want to research printing (for the extra CS) before buttress. And on water maps it might be useful, since you have to beeline carthography anyway, but at that stage of the game the extra charge is not really that important since most of the conversion will be done through theological combat anyway. It also loses a lot of value if you are in a exodus golden age, have mosques or your apostles pick up extra charge promotions. It hardly matters if you have 8 or 9 charge apostles.

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [1]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [18]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [1]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [17]

 

[bengalryan9]

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [1]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [19] (18+1) Agreed that this is a must for cultural games, and it's generally pretty easy to build as well.
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [1]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [14] (17-3) Oh boy, more ships in a game where having a strong navy isn't all the important - but only if you spend production on them, and only if you happen to have an industrial zone on the coast. It just doesn't really fit into how the game is actually played IMO.

 

[Pure24]

Taj Mahal [1-3= -2]. On a personal taste level, I rarely find myself building this wonder, much less PLANNING for it, which tends to be very important. I just find myself building it when I have nothing to do in a city, or want to boost my Theatre Square adjacency. But that can be true for every wonder. Sorry bud.

Angkor Wat [1+1=2]. Won't last, but I wanted to give it a shout-out before it disappears. Whenever I go for an aqueduct-industrialzone-dam set up, I always make space for this little big guy. Comes at an awkward time and not really cheap (not expensive either, though. It's middle of the road for plenty of things). But it really helps boost mid-game cities and reaching desired district pop requirements.
I also just like it.

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [19]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Huey Teocalli [4]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [21]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Taj Mahal [ELIMINATED]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [14]

 

[Francel]

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [19]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Huey Teocalli [1] (4-3) - Although this has the potential to be useful in select cases (does it buff polders?), it takes what are usually bad tiles and makes them mediocre. There are better sources of amenities out there as well, such as colosseum.
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22] (21+1) - This is easily one of my favorites. Extra great person points are always useful, as evinced by Bologna winning the city-state elimination thread. Moreover, it pairs very well with high faith output, my modus operandi. Patronage, I've found, is an easy way to ensure golden ages. Thus, it's almost like getting the Taj Mahal too.
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [11]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [14]

 

[JesseS]

Petra [11+1=12] I'm surprised to see Petra so low right now. Sure, it's a bit of a meme, but I often find a large stretch of desert hills that are otherwise unworkable yet turn into the best city in your empire with Petra. The AI barely prioritizes it too, so you can let it wait for a while and just use a few Magnus chops.

Venetian Arsenal [14-3=11] 920 production and a coastal industrial zone, so that you can hard-build twice as many ships? No thanks, if I need a navy, I'm just going to build some quadririemes and upgrade them .

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [19]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Huey Teocalli [1]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[Foulweather]

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [15]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [19+1=20] I usually go for a Culture Victory with a National Parks or seaside resort play, so this is the wonder I'm always aiming my whole game toward. Playing the appeal game can be frustrating (why do rainforests give negative appeal?), but this helps every tile in my empire and not only lets me build more parks/resorts in places I couldn't previously, it also boosts the tourism of those I can already build. Eiffel Tower + Cristo Redentor turns every otherwise mediocre flat coast tile into Ipanema. And, of course, it is so so pretty to look at.
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Huey Teocalli [1-3=-2, Eliminated] Sorry, there just aren't a lot of lakes tiles in my empires I guess. I've built this a couple of times just for fun, it may give me a couple amenities which are easier to buy off the AI anyway at 2 gpt, and the buff to lake tiles still leaves them not really productive enough to work. Thoroughly uninspiring wonder that I'm always happy to see the AI take the time to build.
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [14]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[xaiviax]

Pre-Columbian Americas, The Maya Civilization vs The Inka Empire

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [16]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [16] (15+1) I don't like chicken pizza. But while I do like chopping down jungle, I still also like this jungle Petra.
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [11] (14-3) Good luck researching engineering before the Deity AI finishes building this.
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[JJOne]

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17](16+1) Two free civics are always useful. And you also get some GP points, and some slots.
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [13] (16-3) It seems really hard to make it in a city with enough jungle tiles to count.
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [11]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[Jewelrunna]

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [13]
Colosseum [16]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [13]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

Colosseum [16] (15 + 1): Not sure why this wonder got downvoted a bit early on, it's easily a top five wonder in the game. Build it, and you never have to worry about amenities ever again. Well planned, this is essentially +8 Culture, +8 Amenities. It's pretty easy to get that number to 10 or 12 each too. It's really, really good.

Machu Picchu [8] (11 - 3): This wonder's pretty powerful; problem is you're never going to build it. Usually in my games, the deity AI builds this wonder before you even get the tech needed to start building. Maybe this isn't a fair metric to evaluate a wonder on, sure, but in my book if you can't ever reliably build a wonder, it doesn't matter how good it is.

 

[Datian]

Well, since the new criteria seems to be the capacity to build a wonder before the AI, I'll stick to this policy. In the end, I suppose the winners will be among Broadway, Great Zimbabwe and Amundsen-Scott, since the AI never builds them.

Moderator Action: The rules for this thread haven't changed so please abide by them - "The difficulty is assumed to be the highest that you are comfortable with - this may introduce some different reasoning, since I am aware some Wonders can be effectively impossible to obtain on higher difficulties but straightforward on lower ones, but I want to ensure maximum participation." --NZ

Alhambra [12]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [13]
Colosseum [13] 16-3 How many times has the AI built before I could ? Hence, it must quickly go away.
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [14] 13+1 Always available, so it must be great.
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[lotrmith]

Alhambra - I had to look up what it does to remind myself why I never build it. I'm never particularly pressed for military slots especially in the Industrial Era, and down a path of the tech tree I don't prioritize often (Castles).

Colosseum is stupid good. It costs very little for a huge return on investment. It's a risk if you hard build it, sure, but if you're chopping effectively then it can come out on one or two turns (including the entertainment district and arena). For the record, I don't often see the AI pursue this even on Deity.

Alhambra [9]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [7]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [13]
Colosseum [14]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [14]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[Archon_Wing]

Alhambra [9]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [8] 7+1. I mean, this is basically 1/3 of Ruhr Valley and Oxford Uni in every city. It comes late, but there's still plenty of time to get it for science victories since there's no competition for it and all you really need is a polar site with some trees to chop. And it's not like Ruhr is any good outside of SVs anyways
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [10] 13-3 Unlike Petra or St Basil's which transform terrain that was useless to begin with, this is kinda sideways because you'll probably get more just by removing all the Jungle, outside of some niche Sacred Path/Brazil strats. It's also in a really weird part of the tree at that point. Honestly, I've never had a game where I was like "Wow, I have Chichen Itza!"
Colosseum [14]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [14]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [16]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [15]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[hhhhhh]

Oxford University [17] (16+1) If you time it well you can use it to unlock some tech whose Eureka are hard to do.

Ruhr Valley [12] (15 - 3) Just to make my points clear (and I won't downvote it tomorrow), I'm not saying Ruhr Valley is that bad. But [12] is a good place for it - it's not a game-changing wonder but a fetish. Just like VI's Petra, in Civ V it's insanely good, but in VI it's at [12] right now - and it's due to some inherent design problem of Civ VI, namely that you can pump your production as high as you want, but it's just not as efficient as chopping trees. Don't hate me for saying this, blame the designer.

I admit that Broadway [15], Hagia Sophia [13], Országház [15] and University of Sankore [13] are not as good as Ruhr Valley, but that's it. Anything rated over [13] right now other than these four is better than or as good as Ruhr Valley. Meanwhile you can say Ruhr Valley is as good as Petra or Great Zimbabwe, I've no objection to that.

This seems very disingenuous. There are way more than 50 turns between Industrialization and Science Victory, simply because of how much tech you need to unlock – and even more if you're unlucky with how the future era tech tree pans out. This is all the more true because Industrialization is a tech you need to rush if you're doing Science Victory (it is en route for Spaceports, it unlocks Factories & Coal, and it buffs all your mines), meaning you're probably unlocking it comparatively early – and possibly around 100 turns before your eventual victory.

That you win 50 turns after Industrialization is not an exaggeration, not an overstatement, it is just something that's bona fide doable. To see people (not TCBB) say that you got "nothing to do" after Industrialization to justify the value of Ruhr Valley just shows how boring this wonder is. If you really have nothing to do, how about building Oxford University to unlock two techs for free and gain +20% science in one city? Or Bolshoi Theatre for two civics? Or Big Ben to obtain some good amount of gold. Even building some units for the usually "hard" eurekas is a better option than building Ruhr Valley. If you really need 100 turns from Industrialization to science victory, shave 30 turns from your science victory you will find the uselessness of Ruhr Valley. To shave 30 turns:

• If you settle wide enough and have power in all your campuses (with research labs) at one point you should be able to unlock one tech per turn.
  
• Don't build it, but Renya-gold-buy (or Moksha faith-buy if you have a good amount of faith) Space Port (7200g, and 15% off on Democracy). (See? If you don't build it you won't need Ruhr Valley, and it can be done in any city instead of your Ruhr Valley city.)
• Once you realize that you can buy it, you can settle a city in the south tundra area to chop the projects out.
• You can shave 20 more turns if you take advantage of the Royal Society ability etc.
• Make sure that your spaceship travel 50 light years within 5 turns of unlocking Offworld Mission. If you are lucky you can make it 4 but 5 is always doable.
• Finally and most importantly, don't build Ruhr Valley. It's a trap.

The only time I had nothing to do in late game for science victory is when I do deity OCC. In that case late game is a drag.

Ruhr Valley: not a fan either but the Production is not that wasted. With the +15% Production card, the cost of Ruhr Valley drops to 1080 Production, while the bonus Production can be increased with Production cards (so that +32 can be +48 with +50%).

BTW assuming you got that +32 from my model, your math is incorrect here. When I did that +32 the assumption is a 100 production city, with 10 mine/quarry, so it will gain 10 production from Ruhr Valley, and another 22 from the +20% bonus. So that 22 won't be affected by any other modifiers. Even if you have a +50% (you usually won't), the +32 will become a +37 not a +48. Still making Ruhr Valley pretty bad.

Alhambra [9]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [8]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [10]
Colosseum [14]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [14]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [17]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [12]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [11]

 

[bbbt]

Colosseum [15] 14 + 1- With Jebel Barkal gone (too early imho) and the Colosseum of all things getting downvoted already, I feel like the strength of area of effect wonders is being overlooked these days. You can get a significant faith or culture/amenities output, both of which are valuable commodities, and you don't have to work any tiles for it. A significant bang for your buck in a densely spaced civ.

Venetian Arsenal [8] 11 - 3 - Otoh this wonder should be ridiculously powerful. A free ship for every ship you build in every city. Except ships are not a terribly valuable commodity with the state of naval combat in Civ at this point. The equivalent production - especially with the right policy cards - is probably enough ships to defeat the AI.

Alhambra [9]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [8]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [10]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [14]
Great Zimbabwe [14]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [22]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [17]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [12]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [8]

 

[cylenalag]

Great Library [11](14-3) While the random tech boost is nice whenever another player gets a Great Scientist, in my Science game I generally hoard all the Great Scientists save for maybe the first two. Could potentially be a boon to non-science games, but isn’t enough to not get my downvote this round. By the time I build it, I’ve researched much of the Ancient and Classical era techs, and don’t always need the Great Work slots. Also the AI is fond of it and I have bigger fish to fry when I get Recorded History.

Oracle [23](22+1) And now we get to my upvote! Granted I said I generally get a majority of Great Scientists and this is a very strong proponent of that whether from the patronage discounts (easily overlooked imo in a tight race) or the raw +2 GPPs per district which is usually why you build the Oracle in the first place! It is unfortunately the most expensive ancient era wonder but a few chops with Magnus are enough to beat out the AI, which generally doesn’t build it too often. A safe bet and can snowball with other things like Divine Spark pantheon, Pingala Grants in the Oracle city, Bologna Suzerain, etc.

Alhambra [9]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [8]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [10]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [11]
Great Zimbabwe [14]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [23]
Országház [15]
Oxford University [17]
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [12]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [8]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

Alhambra [9]
Amundsen-Scott Research Station [8]
Angkor Wat [2]
Apadana [16]
Big Ben [17]
Bolshoi Theatre [17]
Broadway [15]
Casa de Contratación [11]
Chichen Itza [10]
Colosseum [15]
Colossus [6]
Cristo Redentor [17]
Eiffel Tower [20]
Estádio do Maracanã [3]
Forbidden City [17]
Great Library [11]
Great Zimbabwe [14]
Hagia Sophia [13]
Kilwa Kisiwani [23]
Machu Picchu [8]
Mahabodhi Temple [19]
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus [22]
Mont St. Michel [16]
Oracle [23]
Országház [12] (15-3) I was debating whether to downvote this or Venetian Arsenal, but since this hasn't been touched yet, I'll go with this. On paper it looks great. Double diplomatic favor from suzeranity can really add up, especially if you're Matthias or Rough Rider Teddy and are hoarding all the city states. The problem is that ultimately doesn't help much. I've built it in my last few diplomatic victory games and the problem is I don't get much use out of it. By the time it's completed I only need one world Congress meeting (maybe two) to get the votes needed for a DV. Statue of Liberty is a much better option for DV in my opinion. Between wonders, all the DF you can get from city states without it, disaster emergencies, etc. I can get enough favor and Diplo points already. Sure it doesn't hurt, but it's just not that effective in practice.
Oxford University [18] (17+1) Always a must-build for me in SV. Put it in a high pop Pingala city with full campus for a strong and relevant science bonus. Pairs especially well with Kilwa.
Petra [12]
Potala Palace [13]
Pyramids [23]
Ruhr Valley [12]
St. Basil's Cathedral [16]
Statue of Liberty [17]
Temple of Artemis [19]
Terracotta Army [18]
University of Sankore [13]
Venetian Arsenal [8] This isn't that great for coastal civs because many of them already have bonuses for getting a big navy. Norway and Phoenicia have production bonuses towards ships, Indonesia can buy with faith, Victoria gets free ships from building her harbor and can steal with Sea Dogs, etc. It's simply not a problem getting enough ships to achieve naval superiority. This on top just seems like overkill.