Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
Puglover I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the man who conquered the most people without ever spilling blood...
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But his empire was not of this world but of heaven.

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
Puglover I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the man who conquered the most people without ever spilling blood...
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It wasn't much of a foresight; only an ancient nomadic and Mongol custom of dividing the father's inheritance equally amongst the sons. So the sons (or their representatives) each got parts of Mongol empire. And Ogodei became the Great Khan and had nominal control over all the khanates (although even this nominal control evaporated after Kublai Khan's time). But in effect, it was a division of GK's empire, in accordance with custom.Originally posted by Dark Ascendant
Okay, the Macedonians couldn't find someone big enough to fill Alexander the Great's shoes. That's one place where GK did well; a smooth transition from him to Ogodai. I guess that was because GK had the foresight to think things through about his successors. It didn't help the empire in the end but at least it didn't split the empire between the sons of the Khan then and there.
The only reason why the Mongols never returned to loot Western Europe was because there's nothing worth looting there.Originally posted by carniflex
Compare the population of the mongol tribes united by GK, and the population of China in the middle age (even considering that GK conquered only the Kin Empire, and not South Song Empire). China was the most populated and advanced civilisation of the world. If GK and his successors had not ravaged the entire Eurasia (Kubilay: the Songs, Hulagu: middle east, Ogodai: eastern Europe, Baber and Akbar: India), except Western Europe , we would not speak english in this forum.
Timur was more Turkic, than Mongol IMO. He was a great Central Asian warlord, who pushed in all directions and routed the Golden Horde (the remnants anyway).Originally posted by carniflex
About Baber, he took Dehli in the mid 15th century and found the Moghol empire in north India. But he was a descendant of Tamerlan, who claimed being a descendant of Gengis Khan, and was a Mongol.
Therefore, I place Baber in GK's "successors" and Mongols.
Originally posted by Cimbri
The greatest conqueror is not a single individual.
At this point I think western culture is the greatest conqueror of all times
Cimbri
Originally posted by Lynx
Alexander the great, he went from greece to india in 13 years, genghis khan went from mongolia to russia in 20. Both used revolutionary tactics and ideas, but alexander was faster in his goals.
Well, you are underestimating Alexander really much!Originally posted by Wildbore
Ghenghis Khan because he conquered from the Pacific to modern day Kiev, alexander did barely anything, he basically walked through the world with a couple of soldiers, that is why when u see maps its just an arrow of where he went, not the total area he controlled.
Originally posted by Wildbore
Ghenghis Khan because he conquered from the Pacific to modern day Kiev, alexander did barely anything, he basically walked through the world with a couple of soldiers, that is why when u see maps its just an arrow of where he went, not the total area he controlled.
No, he died while the Mongols were returning to savage Xi Xia, the Sinicized Tangut kingdom on China's north-western frontier. In remembrance, the Mongols completely razed the Xi Xia capital...Originally posted by Cecasander
Well, it is true that the mongols conquered a very big part of the world, but that wasn't only Ghengis Kahn. He died when they were invading China, I believe, so most conqest was done by his follow-ups.
That's an application of the technology of the times; nothing about inherent 'conqueror' abilities in Hitler. Considering what GK had at his disposal, the Mongols did amazingly well.Alexander the Great did well too, in 30 years. But the biggest conquerer is Hitler, since there is no-one who conquered/allied about entire Europe (except GB and SU) in just 2 years
A listing of some of the Mongols' conquests...Originally posted by addiv
The Mongols conquered a big part of the world, but they didn't conquer any important European empires. Most of their territory was underdeveloped, empty, poor and had no important culture at the moment. So the Mongols didn't gain the (relative) power and supremacy the Roman Empire or Alexander the Great gained.