[GS] GS impressions/random observations thread.

[Disgustipated]

I see no way to remove ski resorts once you place them, so place them wisely. Don't be like me and realize you might want to put a national park there later.

 

[FenrisWolf456]

Yes, after the initial news about the SV revamp I was under impression that those speed up projects would each just chip 1 ly off the total travel time, but it appears they increase the speed of the travel by 1 ly which is quite a boost. And quite a relief, frankly, otherwise it would be quite a chore.

It remains a mystery though, why Earth based laser stations need a spaceport and a rocket launch.

Hey, they spent a lot of time on that graphic and are going to use it as much as possible.

I guess I figured the land laser would take up a square on the map, which would be less than ideal.

I'm sort of boggled as to why the terrestrial laser isn't a building for the spaceport ... it would give more of a reason to have more than one spaceport in your entire civilization. And we could have pretty lasers shooting up into the sky on the map.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I'm sort of boggled as to why the terrestrial laser isn't a building for the spaceport ... it would give more of a reason to have more than one spaceport in your entire civilization. And we could have pretty lasers shooting up into the sky on the map.

Though being able to run the project in several cities might be a minor reason for 2+ spaceports.

 

[Jewman]

Though being able to run the project in several cities might be a minor reason for 2+ spaceports.

with my first Mali playthrough I had a monster faith/gold economy and bought 6 spaceports easily and pumped out projects while buying builders nonstop. It was so much quicker than I thought it was going to be. In fact, my late blooming science was the only thing that slowed me down because I had a hard time getting to the exoplanet expedition tech in the future era.

 

[Disgustipated]

Someone has to say it. Eleanor/England is absolute garbage. Canada is better than her. I hate that I just rage quit her. I'm just getting gang banged from all sides, not from conquest/military, but from religion. Finding a religion in Gathering Storm is just the worst thing you can possibly do. Good luck trying to keep that religion. I concentrate so much effort trying to keep my religion I can't concentrate on expanding and building theater squares. And all my neighbors have encircled me and I no longer have room to expand, and I'm heading into a dark age. Yeah the map screwed me over, but this civ offers nothing to counteract that. Garbage level. At this point I think even Georgia is better. I'm so frustrated right now. When I get mad at the game I know it's time to quit.

I can say I'm never founding a religion again. This is the last straw.

 

[TomeTraveler]

Someone has to say it. Eleanor/England is absolute garbage. Canada is better than her. I hate that I just rage quit her. I'm just getting gang banged from all sides, not from conquest/military, but from religion. Finding a religion in Gathering Storm is just the worst thing you can possibly do. Good luck trying to keep that religion. I concentrate so much effort trying to keep my religion I can't concentrate on expanding and building theater squares. And all my neighbors have encircled me and I no longer have room to expand, and I'm heading into a dark age. Yeah the map screwed me over, but this civ offers nothing to counteract that. Garbage level. At this point I think even Georgia is better. I'm so frustrated right now. When I get mad at the game I know it's time to quit.

I can say I'm never founding a religion again. This is the last straw.

I just finished a game as Dido that saw two huge fights against other religions before I won a CV. First my ally Suleiman started spamming Islamic apostles into my territory like it was going out of style. I hadn't originally intended to build too many holy sites but I ending up needing to, to amass enough faith to defend my religion. I built up some 200 grievances against his failure to promise to stop spreading his religion, so when the alliance expired I declared a holy war, originally intended to be just a spanking but it lasted most of the rest of the game since he wouldn't make peace due to a 60-turn betrayal emergency my declaration caused (first time I've seen one for anything other than 30 turns). So I ended up liberating Kandy and Palenque and taking all his cities but one before the emergency finished, and won the game a few turns after that. Meanwhile, Kristina from the other continent had begun pasting my shores with Protestant apostles. This wasn't so difficult as Suleiman to fight off as by now I had a decent faith base. By the time she gave up my inquisitors were up to 280 faith cost.

It's the most insistent I've seen AI about spreading religion in a long time, maybe forever.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I don't typically bother with religion because the reward doesn't seem to be worth the investment. You don't need it to get Faith.

But it sure seems like the AI are hells bells about spamming apostles now.

 

[Sagax]

Still feeling dirty after my last Inca game, so I am switching to something relatively milder...

I am actually starting an Indonesia game. We still have no idea if they actually got changed in GS - the first GS stream implies that they did, but tooltip don’t mention anything. Maybe I will discover something...

 

[iammaxhailme]

I hate not having a religion in civ. It feels like I'm losing control over something. I 100% quit if I don't get a prophet in every single game regardless of victory type, unless it's a really early domination focused civ like the Zulu

 

[iammaxhailme]

Just played through my first game as Eleanor (France, synergizes much better with her). At first I didn't think much of her loyalty thing... until I started getting to the industrial and early modern era when I had a lot of money and could quickly buy my way up to art museums in my small secondary new cities. That's -2 from writing and -3 more from arts, in cities you can spam out. You don't need a ton of great works, just move them around as needed.

I have so far absorbed 2.5 entire civs (on an 8 size map) without firing a shot

 

[Deggial]

I don't typically bother with religion because the reward doesn't seem to be worth the investment. You don't need it to get Faith. ...

I really like to have a religion for my conquest games. All my armies are accompanied with an inquisitor, even if I don't play Spain.
That loyalty boost due to the conversion helps to secure the freshly conquered cities quite a bit.

Mandatory? No.
But really handy for sure.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

So is Democracy pretty good still? It has an incentive to send trade routes internationally while there are now things that make routes over rail and sea more lucrative.

 

[WillowBrook]

We already know the "surprise attack" achievement is getting triggered by things other than moving into enemy territory via a tunnel or Incan mountain road. Here's one for the list: paradropping a spec ops into enemy territory.

 

[Sagax]

So is Democracy pretty good now? It has an incentive to send trade routes internationally while there are now things that make routes over rail and sea more lucrative?

If the world loves me - for sure. International trade routes to allies become undeniably superior to internal ones.

If I am a warmonger, however... Also, sometimes AI will just stop renewing friendships/alliances for no apparent reason.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think this may be a bug:

The Great Scientist who reveals Oil early: if that Oil is under a district or wonder, it begin accumulating in your stockpile even before you get Refining technology.

 

[WillowBrook]

I think this may be a bug:

The Great Scientist who reveals Oil early: if that Oil is under a district or wonder, it begin accumulating in your stockpile even before you get Refining technology.

Ah, yes, I think that was happening for me in my first game. I hadn't paid close attention but then saw I was accumulating oil before refining. I had that scientist.

 

[OmegaDestroyer]

I've noticed something strange about the Recruit Partisans operation. Now the partisans that spawn seem to only hunt down my trade units. It does not matter if my units are even close to where the partisans spawn either. I'm finding it far more of an annoyance to me than the other civs.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I think this may be a bug:

The Great Scientist who reveals Oil early: if that Oil is under a district or wonder, it begin accumulating in your stockpile even before you get Refining technology.

I was getting Iron from a city-state before I had bronze working. I can imagine my leadership council wondering why they kept getting sent those giant barrels of rocks.

 

[iammaxhailme]

So is Democracy pretty good still? It has an incentive to send trade routes internationally while there are now things that make routes over rail and sea more lucrative.

I've found myself taking Communism a few times for the science boost (which is totally illogical and ahistorical) but Democracy is still quite strong. Fascism is as usual only good for gunshoots.

 

[Disgustipated]

I still like Democracy for cultural victory. I'll still go Communism for Science victory I think. Pretty much the same way I did R&F.

Finally finished a game with Eleanor of France, a real game that is, not just the quarter game for the achievement. I flipped 3 cities and a city state. It took an enormous amount of work to get those cities. I didn't want the city state, that was the first to flip, they have less ability to defend themselves against pressure. It was still quite hard to flip cities. Though I could have used rock bands at the end perhaps. And for some reason I never could get Quebec City in the South to flip. It's a neat mechanic, but it takes a looooong time for any payoff, and even then it is lackluster. Keeping spies alive was difficult as well, but eventually I just went to Cryptography. It's the only way.

I tried Bread and Circuses in addition, but that didn't seem to help.