Guess the New Civs

[craig123]

Well... actually...... there could be a spy named Francis Walsingham... because if they stated that England is getting a spy NAMED James, that means that possibly each civilization will get certain (if not all) specific named spies.

It's possible, I guess. Not sure how easy it would be to think of so many names for spies though.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Well, I think they could actually make SOME of the spies localized (James, Francis) and others just using strange names (Mr. X)

 

[Alk3Crimson]

England's fouth spy is obviously going to be Austin Powers. What other spy can freeze himself and come back in a later era?

 

[Guandao]

So we're going to get 9 civs, rite?

Byzantines-(kind of Middle Eastern, more Mediterranean)

Carthage (Mediterranean/North African)

Celts (Western European, generally)

Dutch (Western European)

Huns (Eastern European)

Mayans (Mesoamerican)


I hope the last three aren't European or Mediterranean. Unless they count the Spanish too . I'm hoping for more African civs (especially Ethiopia) and maybe one more Asian or American civ

 

[Omega124]

Huns (Eastern European)

Not quite. The Huns were nomads from the Central Asian steeps. When the Huns came past the Volga and into the heartland of the Roman Empire, they did not suddenly change their culture to match with the new natives.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I suppose this depends on what's important, geography or culture. In other words, is America an American civ?

 

[ShahJahanII]

I suppose this depends on what's important, geography or culture. In other words, is America an American civ?

I'd say culture is a lot more important.
I'd prefer Indonesia over the Huns. but there is a chance they will still make it in.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I suppose this depends on what's important, geography or culture. In other words, is America an American civ?

If the American colonies would have lasted only as long as the Huns lasted in Europe, then I would say Americans are (actually: were ) a European civ
Duration is as important as culture and geography in some cases
So yeah, in my eye the Huns are rather an Asian civ, not a European

 

[GenjiKhan]

I suppose this depends on what's important, geography or culture. In other words, is America an American civ?

Well,the USA is the only Civilization from America Continent whose soundtrack is from Europe,instead being from America .

 

[Pouakai]

I think Culture myself. I include America in Europe, and Egypt with Middle East

 

[Louis XXIV]

If the American colonies would have lasted only as long as the Huns lasted in Europe, then I would say Americans are (actually: were ) a European civ
Duration is as important as culture and geography in some cases
So yeah, in my eye the Huns are rather an Asian civ, not a European

I wonder if it's also important to distinguish between the rulers of the Hunnic Empire (both of them) and its subjects. The subjects were mostly Gothic, right? That complicates the classification a bit more that way.

 

[Bowsling]

Of course, "Huns" could be extended to include Bulgaria. That would give them at least a few cities.

 

[Louis XXIV]

"Could" in the sense that history would support that or "Could" in a completely disingenuous way?

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

The problem with the huns in particular is that technically they are from the European side of the steppes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Europe_orthographic_Caucasus_Urals_boundary.svg

The hun empire was entirely inside of those boundaries.

The other problem is, though they are originally from northern china, they migrated. They seperated and no longer were part of the Xiongnu or whatever other tribe you attribute to them, instead making a new homeland in Euopean Russia. Their empire was European, where their ancestors from was irrelevant or we'd all be African civilisations.

I would argue however that America is a European civ as it was a case of colonisation, ie. expansion of an existing European empire. The revolution changed nothing but the name in practice so it remains European, and a seperate case to the huns. They migrated before they became seperate and subsequently they can be seen to remain tied despite a revolution. The huns were completely tied up in their new western land and had little to do with asia.

 

[AbsintheRed]

The other problem is, though they are originally from northern china, they migrated. They seperated and no longer were part of the Xiongnu or whatever other tribe you attribute to them, instead making a new homeland in Euopean Russia. Their empire was European, where their ancestors from was irrelevant or we'd all be African civilisations.

I would agree with you, if they empire would have lasted a couple centuries longer
But they were too shortliving in Europe with a very distinct culture
Huns are a North-Asian civ, who happen to have their entire territory in a different continent

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I would agree with you, if they empire would have lasted a couple centuries longer
But they were too shortliving in Europe with a very distinct culture
Huns are a North-Asian civ, who happen to have their entire territory in a different continent

So there is a distinct numerical value to define when a people cease to be region locked? Length of reign has nothing to do with what area a civilisation

Obviously there is overlap between their European and Asian aspects, but they LIVED in Europe. Around 80% if not more of huns who ever lived, never saw asia and probably never even heard of it. They conquered much of Europe and became famous in European history.

They are irrelevant to Asia and vital to understanding early AD European history, and consequently regardless of their culture they are a European civ.

I'd also like to add that the polynesians were originally from the philippines and indonesia, yet their civ is entirely disconnected from these routes because the civ that was developed by this diaspora was irrelevant to their previous region, just like with the huns.

 

[AbsintheRed]

the civ that was developed by this diaspora was irrelevant to their previous region

I also think that's the key point
We only disagree where the huns and the hunnic culture developed more
IMO it's Asia, in your opinion it's Europe

 

[Bowsling]

"Could" in the sense that history would support that or "Could" in a completely disingenuous way?

Could as in the Bulgars were a later iteration of the Huns. I doubt Firaxis will make this connection though.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Could as in the Bulgars were a later iteration of the Huns. I doubt Firaxis will make this connection though.

Later iteration? That's just not true.
There might be some sort of minimal connection, but even that's very doubtful

Even Hungarians have a much deeper connection with the Huns, and IMO that's not significant either

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I also think that's the key point
We only disagree where the huns and the hunnic culture developed more
IMO it's Asia, in your opinion it's Europe

My main point is the huns were never in Asia. They are fundamentally European. Their ancestors were Asian, and that is irrelevant.