Guess the New Civs

[dagriggstar]

Afghanistan is the only real "new" civ I can think of that isn't already included and could have some espionage related bonus. Even then though, it'd just be like "It is harder for spies to succeed with their objectives".

Would be much easier to re-work espionage benefits to existing civs.

 

[Grubnessul]

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

The Inuits (which is a web of societies rather than a single Civ) have dominated their part of the world, no less than the Polynesians at least.

 

[tofofnts]

So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start

Actually, now it seems more like math wants hungary or poland

 

[Louis XXIV]

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.

Wouldn't that be unfair to the Celts. It would really hurt their uniqueness if another civ gets the same thing from a different terrain type.

I've suggested something before where they could cross snow tiles and there was no city unhappiness penalty for cities founded on tundra or snow (the cities would still be low in pop just because the tiles aren't good food tiles, but the people will be content and you'll get a decent amount of golden ages).

 

[dagriggstar]

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

The irony here is that Babur conquered the Delhi Sultanate and setup the Moghul dynasty in India from his power base in ... Afghanistan ...

Afghanistan has a pretty chaotic history, but at various times they have been a major regional power, ruling over Iran, Central Asia, Pakistan and parts of India at some points.

 

[Beefie]

Wouldn't that be unfair to the Celts. It would really hurt their uniqueness if another civ gets the same thing from a different terrain type.

I've suggested something before where they could cross snow tiles and there was no city unhappiness penalty for cities founded on tundra or snow (the cities would still be low in pop just because the tiles aren't good food tiles, but the people will be content and you'll get a decent amount of golden ages).

It wouldn't be unfair to the Celts as they begin with bonus faith from forests as it's their UA whereas the new tundra based Civ has to generate enough faith to pick the "dance of the aurora belief". The benefit they would have is there wouldn't be much competition, if any, for that belief.

I like your idea for a UA, it could have good synergy with a UI which works on tundra/ice tiles such as (forgive me if I'm being ignorant) an Igloo giving bonus food and production

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

Well you are probably not aware of the Ghaznavid empire then. The capital Ghazne happens to be inside afghani borders.

But I would rather have central asia filled up with the karakhanids:

 

[GenjiKhan]

So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start

Actually, now it seems more like math wants hungary or poland

If somehow,you give bonus to civilizations which happens to have a Empire in a area with no Representation in Civ series,I'm sure Brazil and Majapahit would get more points . Thanks to the dlc of Polynesia,we know that this factor should have taken into account .

 

[Stormy28]

Just because that pantheon is there doesn't mean the inuit will be in. It could be for Russia, Denmark and/or any civ one time I played Songhai I ended up in a whole bunch of tundra's. Just saying. And I did not have the disable terrain base thing on either.

I wasn't talking about tundra based effect. I was just saying the name of the Belief is almost certainly a reference.

 

[Radu_Magus]

Very cool map, Hakan-i Cihan.

 

[Grubnessul]

Well you are probably not aware of the Ghaznavid empire then. The capital Ghazne happens to be inside afghani borders.

But I would rather have central asia filled up with the karakhanids:

I was indeed not aware of that empire. My objection was not inasmuch against a civ based in Afghanistan, but an Afghani civ. Which sounds like a horrible idea. Glad someone picked up on the Moghul irony

Timurids would be a nice civ to have, although it would be hard to distinguish their gameplay from the Mongols and the Huns. Come to think of it, Timur would be a more interesting character than Atilla. At the very least because he build cities.

TIMMEH!

 

[dagriggstar]

Timurids would be a nice civ to have, although it would be hard to distinguish their gameplay from the Mongols and the Huns. Come to think of it, Timur would be a more interesting character than Atilla. At the very least because he build cities.

TIMMEH!

Agree on Timur > Atilla. I don't think it'd be that hard to distinguish from the Mongols and the Huns, since the Timurids actually built up there cities. Always thought a UA where they can capture other cities great people progress (conquer city, all great people progress from the conquered city is transferred to the capital) or automatic golden age with a great general spawn or something like that. Obviously the UU would need to be horse base though, a caravanserai UB or UI would be unique though.

What is the difference between a civ "based in Afghanistan" vs an "Afghani civ" anyway ?

 

[Grubnessul]

That the civ is not called Aghanistan.

And I like great people progress capture upon conquest. Now all we can hope for the final civ to be the Timurids although I don't think I'd put money on it.

 

[Civciv5]

Afghanistan would not be a bad idea for a civ.
Especially when it is in a sort of Afghani-Pakistani Empire.
Most of empires of Afghanistan owned Afghanistan and Pakistan(Ghaznavid,Ghurid,Durrani Empires)
None of them lasted long enough to be classified as a civilization.
They have an unbreakable cultural,historical and political bond.

 

[Grubnessul]

I think the name Afghanistan is both to modern and a little political sensitive atm. Of the three empires you mentioned, would they be interesting/inspiring enough to play? We have the Scourge of God, the Sword of Islam (Timurlane) would be a nice addition. Though as said, another horse-based conquer civ. Although I'm not sure whether there were any other empires in that region which were not horse/horde based.

 

[fuzzatron717]

We need more civ's that support pikeman and longswordsman and you know would be a good civilization would be either armenian empire or the bulgarian empire although bulgarian empire won't be very popular with civ fans due to over amount of euro civs, but the 1st mexican empire was quite large. It could represent southwestern U.S native tribes, but not likely. Also the hephthalite empire could used it's in central asia so we a civ that can found tengiism geographically at least. So ya reply.

 

[Scaramanga]

Sorry, has Portugal been definitely ruled out? Because there was a Lisbon city-state somewhere? I think they'd fit with this set.

 

[fuzzatron717]

Sorry, has Portugal been definitely ruled out? Because there was a Lisbon city-state somewhere? I think they'd fit with this set.

Yes Portugal is a city-state and been confirmed as a mercantile city-state.

 

[Camikaze]

Yes Portugal is a city-state and been confirmed as a mercantile city-state.

*Lisbon.