Guess the New Civs

[truenarnian]

Khmer and Mali are out from far too similar existing Civs, that is, Siam and Songhai.

I don't disagree with them being out, but I really hope that Khmer isn't out for the reason you are giving. Surely from an objective point of view there is *at least* as much different between Khmer and Siam as there is between Austria and Germany. I think that "we" (Westerners) conflate SE Asia in a way that is over-broad and specious. I would love to see another Asian or African civ (or Inuit!), but despite my bias, I believe the point I'm making is fairly made.

 

[Guandao]

The Khmer and Thai languages are also not related. They're both tonal though. Khmer is in the Austro-Asiatic language family (which includes Vietnamese, Mon, and others) and Thai is in the Tai-Kadai family (Includes Lao, Zhuang, and others). So it's more like Austria and Hungary (having two unrelated languages)

Also, I don't recall the Khmer empire having the Father governs children concept.

 

[dagriggstar]

Timur will finally appear, cos they have horses. As far as I can tell, that's the reason why we have the Huns.

It didn't exist as a nation before.

It had been unified before...

Fun fact - even under the British it wasn't completely unified, the Portuguese and French held (albeit small) territories there until India was independent of Britain. Then there's the whole princely state thing...

 

[GenjiKhan]

I agree... I don't know how a simple question of how many Colony civilizations are there got to another histroical discussion, I guess my point was they are very unlikely to add a Colonized (post Renaissance) nation as a civ, they are more likely to add a Native (Inca, Aztecs, Iroquois etc) instead of Canada, Brazil, whatever.

But Inca,Aztecs and Iroquois ARE ALREADY in the game(use Caps because people insists to forget this fact) . And Western North American natives were partially represented in Civ 4 BTS,while Eastern South America keeps empty . And it's not possible to add an Native civilization from there,because I can assure that ALL of their cities' name would come from Brazil's minor cities .

 

[Stefanskantine]

You forgot Poland!

 

[Mad Man]

God damn it, why wasn't history as intresting in school! I never knew that D:.

This is because schools have no real interest in making history interesting, they'd rather talk about who made the lawnmower and witch congressman talked a hole in the ground to create the 10th amendment.

 

[janboruta]

Since Ehtiopia uses the most modern leader of all available in Civ 5, then Brazil under Pedro II or Gran Colombia under Bolivar make much more sense - especially to fill out South America. They would be much more a representation of a certain state or country rather than a civilization, though. Gran Colombia in particular, as it was (and is via its successor states) a part of Latin American culture and civilization group, which is still strongly tied to Spain (unlike the US, whose cultural connection to England/France/Germany has loosened up a bit since the 1700s). Brazil developed a more unique culture, and therefore could be the last mystery civ, but I doubt it - it would be stupid then not to include Portugal. And as we know, Lisbon is just a city-state now (but it might be a sign that a Portugal DLC will arrive some time)

After all the PAX news I'm still guessing the mystery civ will be African or Asian. Most likely Kongo, the Zulu, or an Indonesian civ (I mean the region, not the modern state). What I wish it would be, then Lithuania (unique religious playstyle - maybe prolonged immunity to conversion) or Sumer. I've ruled out Hungary and Poland, because they have remained as city-states in the lates coverages, but as we know, it's easy to swap a CS name with a new one to make place for a full civ.

 

[Train]

Maybe the addition of Citrus and Coffee as new resources could be related to the addition of Brazil in the expansion.
Brazil is the largest producer of both resources in the world today.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Actually, it's Citrus or Coffee, not and. There's one resource starting with a C and people were debating what it is.

 

[fuzzatron717]

my guess is on coffee.

 

[apocalypse105]

Because having Sid Meier as the leader of a historical civilization would be incredibly stupid. It won't happen though.

I thought they had it about developing the game

 

[Louis XXIV]

my guess is on coffee.

I'll let you look at the picture and make your own judgment. Link

This picture is much better quality than the ones that led to the initial speculation that it was coffee.

 

[fuzzatron717]

ok after viewing it carefully it's citrus. You can just make out the "I", and wouldn't coffee appear brown on the screen? Oh and one more thing, where he get that is it new or a new interview?

 

[Louis XXIV]

It's from the demo.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

But Inca,Aztecs and Iroquois ARE ALREADY in the game(use Caps because people insists to forget this fact) . And Western North American natives were partially represented in Civ 4 BTS,while Eastern South America keeps empty . And it's not possible to add an Native civilization from there,because I can assure that ALL of their cities' name would come from Brazil's minor cities .

You missed my point. COmpletely.

I know they are in there.

My point is that if they are going to add a civilization I think they will always choose the proper heritage over a colony (so they will pick the natives who lived in Brazil over Brazil, that's my point) I think America is the only colony that has their represntation, don't think Canada, or Australia have ever been properly represnted.

 

[awesome]

The same applies to Brazil. They're just a bit later to rise to global power. On a scale of 6000 years, that difference is small.

only the "differentiating itself" of what i said part applies to brazil. it doesn't have anywhere near the influence yet.

It didn't exist as a nation before.

there have been empires that covered the majority of modern india, though, like the mauryan and mughal empres

 

[SammyKhalifa]

You missed my point. COmpletely.
I think America is the only colony that has their represntation, don't think Canada, or Australia have ever been properly represnted.

Carthage.

 

[awesome]

he means colonial era colonies.
but, as for ethiopia, that thing on wikipedia where it says zulu also says that ethiopia is getting a stele. as much as i don't like that they got one in civ 4 because of how many other civilizations had steles in history, that would kind of make up for the modern unit and leader, if they're getting it.
plus, ethiopia's ability represents most of its history, not just modern times.

 

[Louis XXIV]

The wikipedia thing is essentially people making stuff up. It's a combination of released info, rumors, and wishful thinking. Often when they don't know, they've resorted to what was in Civ4 (the Numidian Cavalry being a good example, which they replaced when info became known). I do hope it's the Stele because they have some cool ones and the Civ needs something probably culture-related (or better yet, make it a monument that gives both culture and faith).

 

[awesome]

oh, i know, that's why i said "if they're getting it." and i was thinking a culture-and-faith-giving monument, too.