Guy I went to school with murdered

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http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/display...me=yes&more_nodeId1=163047&contentPK=20492005 (BBC link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/7372786.stm )
Two people remained in police custody today as detectives continued their investigation of the murder of a 22-year-old man in Bath.

The 22-year-old victim had been found with severe injuries in Bath on Sunday night and later died.

The man, who lived in a nearby flat, had been found lying in a residential street in the city at 6.15pm on Sunday.



Police have not revealed where he was attacked or what sort of weapon was used.

After the incident, detectives arrested five people - three women and two men - in connection with the killing and with the supply of controlled drugs.

A 46-year-old woman, from Shepton Mallet, arrested on suspicion of murder was today still in custody, along with a 21-year-old man arrested on Monday, also on suspicion of murder.

A 26-year-old woman and 21-year-old man, both from Shepton Mallet and also arrested on suspicion of murder, have now been given police bail pending further enquiries.

A 20-year-old man from Radstock arrested on suspicion of being concerned in the supply of a controlled drug has additionally been bailed pending further enquiries.

A post-mortem took place late yesterday to establish the official cause of death.

Police had been called to Ringswell Gardens at Lambridge after reports of a man lying in the road.

When officers arrived, they found the man, who has not been officially identified but is named in tributes as Ben, to be bleeding.

He was taken to the Royal United Hospital, where he died of his injuries shortly afterwards.

Parts of the street were cordoned off by police tape and a forensic tent was erected to protect clues, while scenes of crime officers combed the street.

An incident room has been set up at Bath police station where a team of officers are working and have launched house-to-house inquiries.

Police, who are searching for a car seen in the area, say the man may have known his attackers.

Superintendent Geoff Spicer said: "A team of officers are working on this investigation to piece together exactly what happened and why a 22-year-old man lost his life.

"At this stage the motive seems unclear, however we are exploring the possibility that the victim may have known who attacked him.

"We would like to hear from anyone who may have information to assist the inquiry.

"We are particularly keen to speak to anybody who may have seen a small red hatchback in the area on Sunday either before or after 6.15pm."

But Supt Spicer is keen to reassure the people of Bath that they should not be unduly worried about the weekend's events.

He said: "Serious violence in Bath is very rare.

"Events like this on the streets are few and far between. I would remind the community of Bath that this is a very safe place to live, work and visit.

"The neighbourhood beat teams will continue to patrol to provide community reassurance."

Nearby resident Paul Rylance, 55, believes he may have seen the victim just minutes before he was attacked.

He said that at around 6.10pm he had looked out of the window of his flat, which overlooks Ringswell Gardens, and he saw a man wearing a hooded top.

He said: "He was wandering around by the end of the alleyway at the end of the row of houses. I thought he looked a bit suspicious but it went out of my head.

"When I looked out again a bit later the tent was up and there were police everywhere.

"They were searching with torches throughout the night.

"I did not see what happened. Then when I heard the description that the police issued I put the two together."

Flowers were placed at the scene by friends of the dead man yesterday.

Police are appealing for anyone with any information about how the man, who is white, and was wearing a grey hooded jumper and khaki camouflage shorts, came by his injuries to contact Bath CID on 0845 456 7000.
I knew the guy. Used to sit with him in tutor group at school. Since school i'd see him about occasionally, said hello and so on. He was less than a week older than me. Hard to comprehend what has happened:(

Feel really bad for his brother.
 
It's allright I gets easier with time. I personally know 3 people that have been murdered. And more than that who have been killed.
 
It's allright I gets easier with time. I personally know 3 people that have been murdered. And more than that who have been killed.
Goes to show how dangerous life is these days:( I've never known anyone whose been murdered before, and to think i'd been round the guys house and stuff when I was younger really saddens me.
 
It's allright I gets easier with time. I personally know 3 people that have been murdered. And more than that who have been killed.
Why not just say more than 5 who were murdered, or is there some kind of more justified killing so that they are just "killed"?
 
Goes to show how dangerous life is these days:( I've never known anyone whose been murdered before, and to think i'd been round the guys house and stuff when I was younger really saddens me.

Oh yeah. Death's cold embrace awaits you around every corner. That's why I eat a 1.5lb rare steak weekly, binge drink heavily on the weekends and smoke cigarettes, and play the lotto. Tomorrow could be the big day!
 
Why not just say more than 5 who were murdered, or is there some kind of more justified killing so that they are just "killed"?

8 people I personally knew who were killed in Iraq. Various reasons, IED's mostly, 2 from bullet wounds and the bleeding that occured as a result.

3 people I know murdered. 1 guy right after Iraq who was killed by some guy from another unit. A buddy from high school was murdered by a non-mutual friend about 2 months after graduation. And I had a friend kill another friend in a DUI accident so, he was charged with involuntary vehicular manslaughter but I call it murder. up to speculation though.
 
Why not just say more than 5 who were murdered, or is there some kind of more justified killing so that they are just "killed"?

Chazumi is in the military so they were probably buddies killed in action... Which is usually considered different than murder. They could also have been killed in accidents drunk drivers etc.


I'm really sorry to hear about that Davo, it must be awfull. I've never had anyone I really knew at all die, except my Grandfather but I didn't really know him, it must be horrible:(

Edit: X-post with Chazumi, I was right...
 
So you call drink-driving accident a murder but not killing in war one? What doublestandards...

War is just institutionalised murdering.
 
My sympathies and condolences, Davo. Hope they catch the bastards.

The article makes it sound like it was drug related....what do you know about that, and what kind of drugs was it likely?
 
I'm really sorry to hear about that Davo, it must be awfull. I've never had anyone I really knew at all die, except my Grandfather but I didn't really know him, it must be horrible:(
Yeah, and it's weird because the only person I know who has died was my Grandmother (so similiar to you) and that was a logn time coming (she'd been really ill for ages and ages) so I wa sprepared, but this was out of the blue and whilst he wasn't a close friend or anything he did play a role in my past and it's strange to think i'll never see him round town or anything again, and obviously such a violent death is shocking.
 
My sympathies and condolences, Davo. Hope they catch the bastards.

The article makes it sound like it was drug related....what do you know about that, and what kind of drugs was it likely?
No idea really. He was a nice guy, may have dabbled like alot of people but he wans't a druggy or anything.
 
So you call drink-driving accident a murder but not killing in war one? What doublestandards...

War is just institutionalised murdering.

I wouldn't consider any death that occured due to my units actions murder. We have a standard called ROE or rules of engagement. Basically you cannot fire on anyone unless they are an immediate threat to you meaning basically they point a gun at you or are obviously a point man for an IED, in which case you follow the rules of elevating aggression which is "Shout, show, shove, shoot, shoot to kill."

For instance a guy walking up to an OP we had on route apple. He had an AK in his hands and was walking towards the gate when the gaurd yelled "STOP!" and held his hand up. He didn't stop so he pointed his weapon at him and repeated "STOP!". Then he shot a pen-gun flare at the man and again yelled at him to stop. The man kept walking and pointed his AK at the tower in which case they shot and killed him, so they had to forego the warning shot and went straight to shoot to kill.
 
No idea really. He was a nice guy, may have dabbled like alot of people but he wans't a druggy or anything.

I wasn't implying that, but if people are killing each other over dope these days, we've reached a sad state of affairs....
 
Goes to show how dangerous life is these days:(
These days? Sad and horrible this is, new this ain't. In fact, the general trend in the past centuries is a considerable reduction in such crimes.

Still sucks when it happens though :(
 
I wouldn't consider any death that occured due to my units actions murder. We have a standard called ROE or rules of engagement. Basically you cannot fire on anyone unless they are an immediate threat to you meaning basically they point a gun at you or are obviously a point man for an IED, in which case you follow the rules of elevating aggression which is "Shout, show, shove, shoot, shoot to kill."

For instance a guy walking up to an OP we had on route apple. He had an AK in his hands and was walking towards the gate when the gaurd yelled "STOP!" and held his hand up. He didn't stop so he pointed his weapon at him and repeated "STOP!". Then he shot a pen-gun flare at the man and again yelled at him to stop. The man kept walking and pointed his AK at the tower in which case they shot and killed him, so they had to forego the warning shot and went straight to shoot to kill.
Another example of acting too late, leading to overacting.

About those killed by IED's? So if I drink and drive over someone, I'm a murderer but if I plant and IED to kill the same guy I'm just a killer :rolleyes:
 
Very sorry, man. That hurts. :(

I knew a guy when I was a kid. He was something like four years older than me, but he would loan me some of my favorite games. Very generous. Now, about a year ago, I find out that he raped another of my old friends, and committed suicide in custody. I hadn't seen him in years.
 
Sorry to hear that, Davo. :(

In my experience, it does get easier. The pain of losing someone you care about is just as bad every time, but the denial stuff, the rebellion against death, the "why?", that gets less intense.

Also, it would be nice to not turn this thread into a flamewar about Iraq.
 
My condolences, Davo.
 
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