Half-Jewish...

[garric]

maybe you should show them proper respect and not repeat nazi doctorine?

Do not call me a Nazi. Like I said, we defeated the Nazis and I sure as hell will never become one and take such accusations seriously. You're spitting on the name of my grandparents.

oh and the russians didnt fight to free the jews, russians fought for their lives, what you dont think hitler wouldve killed all russians too, had he won WW2?

If Russia didn't defeat the Nazis all of the Jews would have been dead; so how's that? No, the main goal of Russia wasn't to free the Jews, neither was it for the Americans, however, does that excuse the Jews from giving sympathy to the people that still brought about their freedom?

 

[GenMarshall]

Is it just me or did this thread just witnessed the Godwin's Law ?

 

[Eli]

maybe you should show them proper respect and not repeat nazi doctorine?

And maybe you should calm down. The State of Israel uses the very same rule as a criterion for citizenship.

 

[Jawz II]

Do not call me a Nazi. Like I said, we defeated the Nazis and I sure as hell will never become one and take such accusations seriously. You're spitting on the name of my grandparents.


If Russia didn't defeat the Nazis all of the Jews would have been dead; so how's that? No, the main goal of Russia wasn't to free the Jews, neither was it for the Americans, however, does that excuse the Jews from giving sympathy to the people that still brought about their freedom?

what youre saying here is nazis doctorine, that is how they decided if someone was a jew or not, first they looked at the family background, if you even had 1 jewish grandparent, you were considered a jew by them, even if you didnt consider yourself one.

and even if you didnt have any jews in your immediate family, they had other tests, head measurements, head shape, hair colour etc.

so you should learn more about the things you say.
also, you should ask yourself why youre being so defensive about this? is it because your political views are extremly right wing?

but hey at least youre no racist, we made that clear in that other thread, so thats good.

ps. sympathy = good

 

[Phyr_Negator]

if you even had 1 jewish grandparent, you were considered a jew by them, even if you didnt consider yourself one

False. If you are unlucky ehough to have jews in family, then you are coincidered meichlinge(may misspell term), there were classes of meischlinge for 50% and 25% of jewish blood, but nevertheless that people was not opressed and only limitation was for taking important offices. But once they worked to harm the state in jewish way - they were treated as any other jew.
That soldiers are 50% jewish and managed to serve without any problem, the one at first picture get personal paper from Hitler, where he proves his aryan heritage.

 

[Jawz II]

False. If you are unlucky ehough to have jews in family, then you are coincidered meichlinge(may misspell term), there were classes of meischlinge for 50% and 25% of jewish blood, but nevertheless that people was not opressed and only limitation was for taking important offices. But once they worked to harm the state in jewish way - they were treated as any other jew.
That soldiers are 50% jewish and managed to serve without any problem, the one at first picture get personal paper from Hitler, where he proves his aryan heritage.

so if they werent considered jews, why did the guy need special papers from hitler?

oh and menschlich means human, it dosent mean "not jewish".

 

[Phyr_Negator]

I'm telling i can misspel the term, I remember cleraly there were meischlinge first class and meischlinge second class depending of father/mother or grandfather/grandmother. They were coincidered meischlinge anyway but that papers was just as sign of respect, mentioning some of them have problems and being ashamed of having jews in their families that paper would be valued highly as sign of acceptance into socium.

 

[Commodore]

It always made sense in my mind that when referring to the ethnicity to call them Hebrew, but when referring to their religion then you call them Jewish. I think this makes sense because you could be referring to a Hebrew who is not a Jew or a Jew who's not Hebrew, so it seems perfectly proper to have two terms to separate the two.

 

[Warman17]

Judaism is NOT an ethnicity although it shares some of the characteristics of being one. Semitic is an ethnicity. There is no such thing as a half-jew any more than there is someone who is half-pregnant. Someone claiming to be half jewish is either joking or mis-informed.

Judaism is not an ethinicity, jewish is. Jew can refer to any number of the following three: Religion, Culture, Ethnicity. For example a member of the jewish culture would engage in Jewish traditions and practices while he may not necissarily believe in the jewish religion or be a member of the jewish ethnicity. The may be a Jew who believes in the religious teachings but not engage i nthe culture or share a common background, etc.

It doesnt end there. Most Jews can be divided up into three seperate areas:
Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi.

Ashkenazi Jews are those we normally relate to as Jews, the ones whose ancestry dates back to Germany and Eastern Europe. They are the largest 'sect' of ethnic Jews. It was the Ashkenazi who developed Yiddish. There are further cultural differences and some lesser religious differences. Ashkenazi Jews make up the largest(80) percentage of Jews today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkanazi

Sephardi Jews are those whose ancestry dates back to Spain and Portugal. It was these Jews who were the ones persecuted in the Inquisition, and most of the first Jews in America were Sephardi. The Sephardi also have their own minor cultural and religious differences from the other two groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews

The Mizrahi Jews are those who lived in Arab/Muslim lands(almost all of them expelled except in Morocco and Tunisia). Mizrahi developed differently from their European counterparts as they lived in an Arab/Muslim world, not christian one and so they have adopted many Arab customs such as clothing and language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

However outwardly different looking the three sub-cultures look, they are all Jewish and share most of the same traditions and religious values.

There are also smaller sub-groups of Jews, for example those who live in Ethiopia, Greece, etc. These however are much smaller in size compared to the three main groups.

 

[Eli]

It always made sense in my mind that when referring to the ethnicity to call them Hebrew, but when referring to their religion then you call them Jewish. I think this makes sense because you could be referring to a Hebrew who is not a Jew or a Jew who's not Hebrew, so it seems perfectly proper to have two terms to separate the two.

Except that after 2000 years of living all over the world it becomes quite difficult to talk about the same ethnicity.

 

[Phyr_Negator]

Jews was concerned about purity of their blood and it was strange and octraciced to mix with non-jews, mentioning they were coincidered as something like animals. As a result today jews have whole lot of specific "jewish" genetic flaws' occurances -like in most countries preagant women pass test to discover if her child have down's syndrome and some other standart genetic flaws, but jews pass tests to define flaws that only jews can posess(Fankony syndrome, Goshe syndrome,Kanavan syndrome, Bloom syndrome and many others).

 

[Cuchullain]

So Jews don't make any real distinction between Semitic Jews and those of, say, European ancestry?

 

[Eli]

So Jews don't make any real distinction between Semitic Jews and those of, say, European ancestry?

Depends on what you call "real". There are some differences in traditions and some religious rituals and there was quite a bit of discrimination during Israel's early years.

 

[Shaihulud]

Being half a Jew is as sensible as a being Christian Jew for me, which is not at all.

 

[Atlas14]

Being half a Jew is as sensible as a being Christian Jew for me, which is not at all.

Thats how I thought, until recently when I realized being called half-Jewish in such a context is more often referring to a regional/historical group of peoples. As someone pointed out, its like being called half-Irish or half-German. That makes more sense than someone referring to themselves as Half-Jewish and referencing their religion as the "Jewish" part.

 

[Israelite9191]

In reference to Warman I would like to add that there are many other groups of Jews besides the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi. There are also the Azeri, Persian, Turkish, Indian, Chinese, Ethiopian, various African, and various other kinds of Jews. Jewish communities have been present around the Old World for millenia.

Don't call me a Nazi; my grandparents fought in the war to free your people from the Germans and I'd appreciate if you'd show respect to them by not making your claims. I'm sorry but I get emotional to these kind of things.

I didn't mean to call you a Nazi, I am sorry if you got that impression. There are many people who often do not realize when they do things such as quote Nazi doctrine, so I assumed you were one of those people. Again, sorry. Although, I feel I must remind you that historically Russians have been far crueller to Jews than Germans, so I suggest you don't go on a crucade to take the moral high ground. Although, do take note that myself, my family, and many Jews value the efforts of the Soviets in liberating our people. I have relatives who served at Stalingrad and elsewhere in the Soviet army.

 

[garric]

In reference to Warman I would like to add that there are many other groups of Jews besides the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi. There are also the Azeri, Persian, Turkish, Indian, Chinese, Ethiopian, various African, and various other kinds of Jews. Jewish communities have been present around the Old World for millenia.


I didn't mean to call you a Nazi, I am sorry if you got that impression. There are many people who often do not realize when they do things such as quote Nazi doctrine, so I assumed you were one of those people. Again, sorry. Although, I feel I must remind you that historically Russians have been far crueller to Jews than Germans, so I suggest you don't go on a crucade to take the moral high ground. Although, do take note that myself, my family, and many Jews value the efforts of the Soviets in liberating our people. I have relatives who served at Stalingrad and elsewhere in the Soviet army.

Don't try to guilt trip me.

See, this is the kind of thanks you get after your country saves your people from a fate worse than death. Oh well, what should I have expected from..

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Moderator Action: Cease the personal attacks
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

being half jewish/black/irish/mexican means exactly squat to me.

i really dont care what "ethnicity" a person is and to be honest it angers me when people bring it up. i never say "hey i'm mostly irish!", i dont feel a need to, in fact i hardly ever think of myself as anything other than human.

people give me strange looks and act adversely towards me when i say things like "and???" "so?" "your point?" like they're angry im not impressed or something. people like to wear their ethnicity on their sleeve and im not sure they understand why. being half irish doesnt make you any more irish than a potato does. the worst part is people believe certain behaviors/nuances/etc are somehow genetic with their ethnicity. like irish people and drinking for example. "im half irish so i can drink the whole lot of you under the table!" being half irish has nothing to do with it but hey...keep the stereotype alive!

 

[The Last Conformist]

Someday I'll figure out why everyone cares so much about Jews. Can't we obsess about Baha'i people or something for a week, just for a change?