Hamas rips of Mickey, but China takes the whole magic kingdom!

[Pasi Nurminen]

On the basis of volume alone IP theft in China could pay off. If/when the Chinese government decides to enforce IP laws, you've got a market of over a billion people who have already been exposed to the brand and are now willing to buy legit copies.

 

[Che Guava]

Pocohontas, unless you want to call that colonial English.

I would, being that america didn't exist tat the time....

The Emporer's New Groove, unless you want to call that Mexican.

I'd call it peruvian, and no.

Dumbo, unless you want to call that african (or was he an Indian elephant?)

If we open it up to Pixar, well you cant get more American than Cars, Toy Story and The Incredibles.

Those are more original stories, and while I have no problem with that, they aren't folk-tales, as we were originally discussing.

 

[nihilistic]

On the basis of volume alone IP theft in China could pay off. If/when the Chinese government decides to enforce IP laws, you've got a market of over a billion people who have already been exposed to the brand and are now willing to buy legit copies.

"willing to buy legit copies"? You are kidding right?

Anyway, regarding the Disney stuff, even if China decides to adopt copyright laws I don't think the park will be torn down. There is no chance that China will adopt the ridiculous us version of death of author + 70 years. In any case Mickey Mouse will remain in the public domain there.

 

[Babbler]

But Through the Looking Glass was written by a englishman...come to think of it, I can't think of any Disney film based on 'american folklore'...

What about The Song of the South?

Jim Crow is as American as apple pie.

 

[Masquerouge]

This rocks! A whole copy of the Disney park!
Piracy on a whole new scale!

 

[aelf]

China seems to be shameless. I always tell that to my friends and family, but they maintain a ridiculous bias just because our ancestors came from there hundreds of years ago.

Any historical Chinese film that isn't lamenting the weakness of China in the 19-20th century (eg. Opium War) is either trying hard to glorify the revolutionary period (from Sun Yat Sen to Mao) or reminiscing about the long-gone glories of the various dynasties. Face it. For the past two centuries, China has contributed little. Today, it's a Communist country gone wrong, espousing the most vile sort of capitalism while maintaining a repressive political environment. Really, if Iran is bad, China is about the same, only most people turn a blind eye to it because it's bigger and richer. Well, bigger and richer also means more dangerous.

And if the Black Death wasn't enough, China is giving the world the Avian Flu now. And it's about to become the chief contributor of carbon emissions, and probably other forms of pollution, with little remorse. The Chinese need to wake up and start becoming responsible citizens of the world. 5000 years or more of history should produce something!

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Which Disney story did AEGIS appear in?

 

[Ramius75]

And if the Black Death wasn't enough, China is giving the world the Avian Flu now. And it's about to become the chief contributor of carbon emissions, and probably other forms of pollution, with little remorse. The Chinese need to wake up and start becoming responsible citizens of the world. 5000 years or more of history should produce something!

dude ? why was china responsible for avian flu ?? The should someone account for AIDS ??

As for the chief contributor, then shouldnt u go and look for the ppl that produce the most per capital instead of targetting 1 country with 1.3 billion ppl ? how much carbon did 1 person release while compared to others more "developed" countries ?? in fact, China did rectify Kyoto treaty with the REST OF THE WORLD while some other rouge countries continue to pollute away.

http://www.chinagate.com.cn/english/news/48926.htm

China is also trying to battle pollution before things gets worse, but with 1.3 billion ppl. Its could be consider a very difficult task.

I believe that China is indeed more responsible than actually most other western countries and of coz it got its flaw. but the accusation is ridiculous here. The chinese invent paper so that u dont need to wipe ur ass with leaves.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

"willing to buy legit copies"? You are kidding right?

I was speaking of the distant future. China is still too poor for most people, even in urban areas, to afford to buy legit copies of Hollywood DVDs. Hell, VCDs are still far more common. Trust me, many if not most pirated DVDs in China are of truly horsehockey quality.

 

[Nylan]

dude ? why was china responsible for avian flu ?? The should someone account for AIDS ??

As for the chief contributor, then shouldnt u go and look for the ppl that produce the most per capital instead of targetting 1 country with 1.3 billion ppl ? how much carbon did 1 person release while compared to others more "developed" countries ?? in fact, China did rectify Kyoto treaty with the REST OF THE WORLD while some other rouge countries continue to pollute away.

http://www.chinagate.com.cn/english/news/48926.htm

China is also trying to battle pollution before things gets worse, but with 1.3 billion ppl. Its could be consider a very difficult task.

I believe that China is indeed more responsible than actually most other western countries and of coz it got its flaw. but the accusation is ridiculous here. The chinese invent paper so that u dont need to wipe ur ass with leaves.

Ridiculous grammar aside, inventing paper doesn't make them productive members of the world community in modern times, nor does their "population control" methods...along with many Chinese Capmunist policies.

 

[Ramius75]

Ridiculous grammar aside, inventing paper doesn't make them productive members of the world community in modern times, nor does their "population control" methods...along with many Chinese Capmunist policies.

so may i know who are the "responsible" member in the world community now ? Should the GOV be more resonsible towards their own citizen 1st and then to the global population ? to avoid double standards, so tell me what the rest of the world is doing right and what china is doing wrong ?

 

[aelf]

dude ? why was china responsible for avian flu ?? The should someone account for AIDS ??

Avian flu did originate in China, where the farmers feed their poultry all sorts of nonsense. Sure, you can say the same about mad cow disease in Britain, but China actually took pains to try and cover it up. It doesn't matter if people die. Profit and reputation (if there's any) is most important. Long live Mao!

And have you seen pictures of the dead pigs floating down some Chinese river lately?

As for the chief contributor, then shouldnt u go and look for the ppl that produce the most per capital instead of targetting 1 country with 1.3 billion ppl ? how much carbon did 1 person release while compared to others more "developed" countries ?? in fact, China did rectify Kyoto treaty with the REST OF THE WORLD while some other rouge countries continue to pollute away.

http://www.chinagate.com.cn/english/news/48926.htm

China is also trying to battle pollution before things gets worse, but with 1.3 billion ppl. Its could be consider a very difficult task.

The latest news is China reluctantly agreed to try and reduce emissions. And nobody is sure how much would actually be done. I believe China was exempt from the original Kyoto Pact because it's considered a developing country, which is the main reason why the US refused to ratify the treaty. Sure, the Americans are not being angels here, but many of them are actually for it. From China, all I hear is cries of, "Hey, we're still developing so we should be excused from everything!"

I don't think China deserves to be treated that way. It has its lousy wealth distribution (despite being politically Communist) to blame for many regions that are still developing. Compare the region of Hangzhou with that of Heilongjiang or something. And the amount of pollution it's contributing is huge and rising, set to overtake even that of the US.

I believe that China is indeed more responsible than actually most other western countries and of coz it got its flaw. but the accusation is ridiculous here. The chinese invent paper so that u dont need to wipe ur ass with leaves.

I just knew the invention of paper would come up. Read my post. I said, for the past two centuries China has not contributed very positively to the world. I didn't say that it never contributed or that it's a lousy civilization.

 

[shortguy]

But Through the Looking Glass was written by a englishman...come to think of it, I can't think of any Disney film based on 'american folklore'...

"Song of the South"? Don't know that they (we?) want to own that one though.

 

[Ramius75]

Avian flu did originate in China, where the farmers feed their poultry all sorts of nonsense. Sure, you can say the same about mad cow disease in Britain, but China actually took pains to try and cover it up. It doesn't matter if people die. Profit and reputation (if there's any) is most important. Long live Mao!

And have you seen pictures of the dead pigs floating down some Chinese river lately?

Again this is ignorant. Even the more or lesser sensible politician will not point fingers on the origin of disease becoz no one can confirm and do anything about it unless it was man-made. Its like pointing finger to which country should be responsible for the 1st strain of flu virus EVER!! This is totally bullfeathers and impossible to point any fingers. Do try to read more and understand. May i know how old are u ?

The latest news is China reluctantly agreed to try and reduce emissions. And nobody is sure how much would actually be done. I believe China was exempt from the original Kyoto Pact because it's considered a developing country, which is the main reason why the US refused to ratify the treaty. Sure, the Americans are not being angels here, but many of them are actually for it. From China, all I hear is cries of, "Hey, we're still developing so we should be excused from everything!"

Again another bullfeathers. U mean China is reluctant to implement which it eventually did is wrong while some other countries can continue to flaunt it repeatedly and openly ?? Why must china be put into different category from other developing countries and compare with develop countries like USA ? Do u understand the different in per capital pollution and GDP per capital ? Just that the whole country got a combine GDP of 1st world doesnt mean that once distributed by the population. Its enough. This understanding even contradict ur own argument in the next paragraph.

I don't think China deserves to be treated that way. It has its lousy wealth distribution (despite being politically Communist) to blame for many regions that are still developing. Compare the region of Hangzhou with that of Heilongjiang or something. And the amount of pollution it's contributing is huge and rising, set to overtake even that of the US.

We should look at a chart now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

Below is the carbon dioxide emissions per capital ranking of the world and we can see that most of the "developed" countries are high up in the ranking while China is below at rank 99. So if every chinese is to entitled the same pollution as every american. then they still have a long long way to go. So before 1 point fingers at somebody else. They have to look at themselves before making baseless accusation else it just look hypocritical.

I just knew the invention of paper would come up. Read my post. I said, for the past two centuries China has not contributed very positively to the world. I didn't say that it never contributed or that it's a lousy civilization.

Who are u to determine the development and contribution of a country based on the date/time duration u give? Why only 2 centuries but not 500 years, 5000 years or 10 years ? China did in fact lose much of its competitiveness when it was repeatedly invaded by many nations like. UK, USA, France, japan, Austria, during the Qing dynasty and then once again by the Japanese during WWII. It then experience a long period of stagnation's due to civil war and then once again during the cultural revolution.

not taken into accounts of things it had contributed in the past. but in 1997, Asia suffered the most during the economy crisis where most countries has their currency value depreciated by currency speculators. and most other developed countries namely USA and Japan also start to depreciate their money in order not to suffer losses in exports etc etc. only 1 country that time never depreciate their money much and put a stop and create a base for the crisis to stabilize and thats China. It could very well depreciate its money and enjoy even better competitiveness against other Asian countries but it did not. Hence building up its reputation again as a world power.

hence ur views are narrow and bias therefore i advised u to start reading and understand more about history before making senseless accusation.

 

[Tee Kay]

Edit: crosspost with Ramius

Avian flu did originate in China, where the farmers feed their poultry all sorts of nonsense. Sure, you can say the same about mad cow disease in Britain, but China actually took pains to try and cover it up. It doesn't matter if people die. Profit and reputation (if there's any) is most important. Long live Mao!

Yeah and Europeans are to blame for smallpox, measles, etc. Down with Europe!!! What about AIDS?

Why not go on to blaming China for the Black Death too? Oh wait... of course you've already have.

The latest news is China reluctantly agreed to try and reduce emissions. And nobody is sure how much would actually be done. I believe China was exempt from the original Kyoto Pact because it's considered a developing country, which is the main reason why the US refused to ratify the treaty.

China is cleaning up due to international pressure, while the US is using China as an excuse to do nothing.

I don't think China deserves to be treated that way. It has its lousy wealth distribution (despite being politically Communist) to blame for many regions that are still developing. Compare the region of Hangzhou with that of Heilongjiang or something.

Well, China is a developing country...

I just knew the invention of paper would come up. Read my post. I said, for the past two centuries China has not contributed very positively to the world. I didn't say that it never contributed or that it's a lousy civilization.

And the US contributed the atomic bomb, the British sells opium and the Germans built death camps.

 

[Ramius75]

@aelf - i like to apologize for being mean here and OOT in a thread. But only wants to clear some misunderstanding about china against some bias accusation from the western hypocrite media and some politicians.

 

[aelf]

Again this is ignorant. Even the more or lesser sensible politician will not point fingers on the origin of disease becoz no one can confirm and do anything about it unless it was man-made. Its like pointing finger to which country should be responsible for the 1st strain of flu virus EVER!! This is totally bullfeathers and impossible to point any fingers. Do try to read more and understand. May i know how old are u ?

Err, it's kinda well known. The first instance of it was in China, and they tried to cover it up. How is my age relevant to this?

implement which it eventually did is wrong while some other countries can continue to flaunt it repeatedly and openly ?? Why must china be put into different category from other developing countries and compare with develop countries like USA ? Do u understand the different in per capital pollution and GDP per capital ? Just that the whole country got a combine GDP of 1st world doesnt mean that once distributed by the population. Its enough. This understanding even contradict ur own argument in the next paragraph.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. But China's economy is strong and growing at such a rate that it's going to overheat. What excuse do they have not to play their part and be more eco-friendly? The fact that they are so many poor people in the country? Like I said, it's bad wealth distribution. Where did all the money from the trade surplus with the US go? Into the CCP's, officials' and budding capitalists' pockets, I suppose.

Anyway, there are lots of poor and even homeless people in the US as well. What makes China much less economically developed than the US, then?

We should look at a chart now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

Below is the carbon dioxide emissions per capital ranking of the world and we can see that most of the "developed" countries are high up in the ranking while China is below at rank 99. So if every chinese is to entitled the same pollution as every american. then they still have a long long way to go. So before 1 point fingers at somebody else. They have to look at themselves before making baseless accusation else it just look hypocritical.

If you notice, China is ranked lower than Uzbekistan and Jamaica in that chart. Do you think China produces less emissions than these countries? China has more than a billion people. It could be the biggest polluter in the world, but when the amount is divided by more than a billion, it's going to look small. Yeah, you can claim that the average Chinese is more eco-friendly than a person from Reunion Island, but that is a mere statistic. What is the reality? How many people in China are actually responsible for the emissions and what is the real amount they produce? I strongly suspect the numbers are not favourable for China.

Who are u to determine the development and contribution of a country based on the date/time duration u give? Why only 2 centuries but not 500 years, 5000 years or 10 years ? China did in fact lose much of its competitiveness when it was repeatedly invaded by many nations like. UK, USA, France, japan, Austria, during the Qing dynasty and then once again by the Japanese during WWII. It then experience a long period of stagnation's due to civil war and then once again during the cultural revolution.

Err, I'm just saying that China's contribution to world for the past two centuries is small. It's simply a statement. I'm not using it to pass judgement on the Chinese civilization and its development as a whole. And, yes, China had suffered stagnation for various reasons during this time. But now it seems to be back on track, so why not be a more responsible player in global affairs?

not taken into accounts of things it had contributed in the past. but in 1997, Asia suffered the most during the economy crisis where most countries has their currency value depreciated by currency speculators. and most other developed countries namely USA and Japan also start to depreciate their money in order not to suffer losses in exports etc etc. only 1 country that time never depreciate their money much and put a stop and create a base for the crisis to stabilize and thats China. It could very well depreciate its money and enjoy even better competitiveness against other Asian countries but it did not. Hence building up its reputation again as a world power.

China's currency is undervalued percisely so that it can enjoy the kind of massive trade surplus that you see now. And, if that is not enough, the local industries enjoy export subsidies while Intellectual Property is trodden on. Simply bad behaviour for a WTO member.

hence ur views are narrow and bias therefore i advised u to start reading and understand more about history before making senseless accusation.

Maybe your views are biased. Are you from Singapore?

Yeah and Europeans are to blame for smallpox, measles, etc. Down with Europe!!! What about AIDS?

Why not go on to blaming China for the Black Death too? Oh wait... of course you've already have.

Yeah, why not blame the Europeans for those maladies (except for AIDS)? They are certainly blamed for helping to wipe out the native populations in the Americas. Give credit where it's deserved

China is cleaning up due to international pressure, while the US is using China as an excuse to do nothing.

Let's see how much China would actually do. It was reluctant enough to agree to do something.

Well, China is a developing country...

Please read this article.

And the US contributed the atomic bomb, the British sells opium and the Germans built death camps.

Did I say that the Westerners are angels? I'm not a Westerner and I personally feel that they certainly are not. But I don't doubt that they have made significant contributions that allow me to be here typing this out. What did China contribute in the past two centuries? Can it be compared to the contribution of the West?

And I didn't say that China will forever be inferior. In fact, I'm saying that it should get up and change that.

 

[ParkCungHee]

If you notice, China is ranked lower than Uzbekistan and Jamaica in that chart. Do you think China produces less emissions than these countries? China has more than a billion people. It could be the biggest polluter in the world, but when the amount is divided by more than a billion, it's going to look small. Yeah, you can claim that the average Chinese is more eco-friendly than a person from Reunion Island, but that is a mere statistic. What is the reality? How many people in China are actually responsible for the emissions and what is the real amount they produce? I strongly suspect the numbers are not favourable for China.

Its also a question of how much their eco-friendly and how much, again, its poor wealth distribution and mistreatment of minorities (I'm surprise the multiple attempts at Genocide going on in China aren't mentioned about whats going wrong with China). I'm not ashamed that I use more gas riding the train every morning then Tibet Monks in labor camps use up being worked to death.

 

[aelf]

Its also a question of how much their eco-friendly and how much, again, its poor wealth distribution and mistreatment of minorities (I'm surprise the multiple attempts at Genocide going on in China aren't mentioned about whats going wrong with China). I'm not ashamed that I use more gas riding the train every morning then Tibet Monks in labor camps use up being worked to death.

Since this thread was about IP and indirectly related to economics, I discussed those aspects, with only an 'honourable' mention of the repressive political environment. Anyway, elements of genocide and brutality can be expected from a Communist country. Saying the country is Communist should be enough to imply a poor human rights record.

 

[aelf]

I read up a bit more on the Avian Flu, so I shall refine my facts a little. The disease has been around for quite a long time, but the first instance of the higly pathogenic genotype that was brought to our attention in the last few years was indeed in China.