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I am talking about the more general expectations which are shaped by our culture. In his world, most things are solved by battles. Redgrass Field, Field of Fire, Trident, etc. It feels all right to people and an author can hardly ignore the needs of his audience.

There are many sieges throughout the novels as well eg. Storm's End, Mereen, Riverrun, Blackwood, Winterfell. Then there are the 'sieges' which end in assaults such as Dragonstone (by Loras) and Pyke in the Greyjoy rebellions. Most of the battles which take place involve Robb who is an unexpected victor or are historical and thus open to unreliable naration. Whose to say whether or not the Trident really was seminal battle of Robert's rebellion, or whether it was numerous background sieges that won the day? Given that battles are romanticised in real life whose to say that cant be the case in Westeros as well?
 
There are many sieges throughout the novels as well eg. Storm's End, Mereen, Riverrun, Blackwood, Winterfell. Then there are the 'sieges' which end in assaults such as Dragonstone (by Loras) and Pyke in the Greyjoy rebellions. Most of the battles which take place involve Robb who is an unexpected victor or are historical and thus open to unreliable naration. Whose to say whether or not the Trident really was seminal battle of Robert's rebellion, or whether it was numerous background sieges that won the day? Given that battles are romanticised in real life whose to say that cant be the case in Westeros as well?

The battles are usually quite decisive in ASOIAF. Trident was so because Rhaegar died there (and without him the Targaryens were done for), Redgrass Field was decisive for the same reason (Blackfyre pretenders died), Field of Fire because... well, the dragons burned enough people to drive home the message that resistance was futile.

In comparison, the sieges are not that important story-wise, or they're quickly resolved if they are. Understandably so, otherwise there wouldn't be anything to write about :)

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Another gripe there - it seems that GRRM loves surprise arrivals of armies which turn the tide of battle. It happened at least thrice in ASOIAF, such as when Robb Stark caught the Lannister armies unprepared, when Tywin arrived to decide the battle of Blackwater, and when Stannis arrived to defeat the Wildlings at the Wall. I find this a bit unrealistic - I understand it was fairly hard to move hosts of thousands of men without the enemy being aware of it. To arrive to the battlefield completely unexpected, that would require quite some luck plus an extraordinary ability to find and eliminate all the enemy scouts.
 
I have to disagree.
Most of the episode was great, but it fell apart in Qarth. The scene in the House of the Undying was so much better than in the books. The visions, the forshadowing, the Undying.

I particularly didn't like...

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...how easily Dany and her people were able to imprison Daxos and plunder his estate. Isn't the new king supposed to have guards ? Surely one single warlock couldn't have been the basiis of his power. It looked like the whole city of Qarth became a ghost town the moment Pyat Pree caught fire.
 
Dragons.
 
The House of the Undying was probably my biggest let down in the last episode. I also didn't realize that it was the season finale :(
 
Okay, about Blackwater. Don't take me wrong, I did enjoy the episode, it looked good, the acting was strong (f*** the city, f*** the king :lmao: ), visual effects were nice, battle scenes pretty large, and all that. The problem was that this episode demonstrates that plot compression leads to nonsensical things on screen. The screenwriters probably didn't help it when they went for a D-Day re-enactment in medieval setting :crazyeye:

In the books, it went like this:
After Renly died, the Tyrell knights mostly fled, while the Stormlands knights and levies joined Stannis. They marched on King's landing. However, the Blackwater Rush River separates the city from the Kingswood, and it is hard to cross there. Therefore, Stannis' fleet had to sail up the Blackwater to actually get his main host across so that it could lay siege. Tyrion knew this, he laid a trap, and because Stannis' fleet was commanded by a higborn idiot, it took the bait and was destroyed when it was trapped by Tyrion's underwater chains and subsequently burned with wildfire. Even so, some of Stannis' troops made it to the Mudgate (which faces the riverfront) and broke in. To drive them off, Tyrion led a sally during which he was maimed. Stannis would probably have won if a joined Lannister-Tyrell host didn't arrive and crush the core of Stannis' forces at the opposite bank of the river.

Now, what they did in the series:
- First, there is no mention of the land army. All of Stannis' troops are apparently crammed in his ships. Which is quite impossible, given the numbers of ships and men involved. The whole beginning reminded me of the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan, down to the vomiting soldiers in the boat and machine gun arrow barrage at the beach :lol: The D-Day vibe was all over it.
- They let an enemy ship close and enter their formation - why? It should have been sprayed with flaming arrows and ballista fire long before that. (BTW, nobody gives an order to draw a bow and then wait for a minute - the archers can't do that. They either fire, or they have to rest their hands.) It would still explode (is wildfire supposed to explode? I don't remember), but probably cause less damage. Also, Davos was knocked overboard right at the beginning, whereas in the book he saw the whole fiasco.
- Second, in the spirit of the D-Day invasion, they land at the beach right under the walls. WHY??? If there is no land host to be transported over Blackwater, there is no need to risk landing there, even if it's the weakest gate. It would be far easier to land a bit further, without arrows flying at them, build all the siege equipment free of harassment, and then advance on the city in perfect order. Instead, they just keep coming to the beach in landing crafts to be cut down en masse - just like in Normandy :crazyeye: Also, arrows aren't such a super weapon - if the soldiers wear at least some armour and the arrows don't hit them head on with full force, it's not "one shot, one kill" situation. Chainmail with padding was quite effective at stopping arrows. Also, shields - people generally knew how to use them in the Middle Ages ;)
- So now they've landed. What do they do? They run to the walls like mad because they... probably want to be thrown things at. They were lucky the defenders apparently forgot about boiling oil, hot sand, melted lead or other wonderful medieval contraptions. However, instead of not interrupting their enemies when they're being idiots, the defenders actually open the gate and run to meet them in a fair fight. Again, WHY??? Why not stay safe behind the walls and keep killing the attackers as they huddle below, or as they try to get over the walls one by one? Oh, I know why - they needed to include the scene with Hound where he gets scared of the fire. That was well done, but sadly without any credible need to sally against the attackers the whole thing seemed utterly pointless. If they had stuck to the book, they'd have a good reason to sally - to create a chokepoint and kill Stannis' troops as they were trickling over Blackwater, before they could deploy their full force. You know, '300 against a million Persians' style. Later also to try to destroy the battering rams which were being brought to the gate. So, in the end it all looked as if the Germans (keeping with my D-Day analogy) left the safety of their bunkers and ran to the beach to meet the attacking Allied hordes in a fair fight. Ridiculous.
- Tyrion's sally: WHY like that? Why not wait for them at gate and fight the enemies as they come, in small numbers?
- Stannis on the ladder: come on! Who did that? Stannis sees himself as the king. He will NOT endanger his royal person more than is necessary. He's there on the battlefield, but it doesn't mean he will recklessly try to get himself killed (that's probably what Robert would have done, because he was an oaf). Actually, he would have been killed, because the first people over the walls usually died pretty quickly if the defenders were at least a bit competent.
- I won't complain about Tywin's surprise appearance, because Martin did that in the book as well.

I wonder if their mediaeval warfare consultants were asleep during the writing of this episode, or they were just overturned because the 'fantasy mediaeval D-Day with a twist' script looked so appealing to the producers ;)

Now I am looking forward to the last episode :D
 
I am talking about the more general expectations which are shaped by our culture. In his world, most things are solved by battles. Redgrass Field, Field of Fire, Trident, etc. It feels all right to people and an author can hardly ignore the needs of his audience.

Now concretely - GRRM mostly doesn't bother much with things like logistics and cold military logic. He is good in describing the general animalistic brutality of mediaeval warfare, not in military strategy and tactics - understandably so, because the audience doesn't care to read about that in much detail. He doesn't understand ships and naval warfare very much either, but again, it doesn't matter because his audience doesn't care. His depiction of the Iron Islands and its culture is dripping with hype, but since the audience is willing to swallow this "Super Viking Warrior Culture" bullcrap, it doesn't matter. I could go on like that for some time.

Big glorious battles are simply something people expect in fantasy, and so they get it. I am not complaining, it's more fun to read about than "and then Robb settled in for a 4-year long siege of Casterly Rock..." or "Tywin Lannister's great host starved and fell apart while trying to cross the war-ravaged Riverlands" ;)

I do agree that it's inconsistent. But then it's fiction. Fiction is allowed to be a bit unrealistic (All these romantic novels set in the past with strong woman...). If I watch a Jeanne d'Arc movie, I want to see her burn and see her in a Knight's Breastplate with her hair flowing in the wind while raising her sword and being the first over the wall...

I am self-aware to now that that's not how it really was. But you probably get that ;) And you can see my earlier post on exactly the same issue where I got a bit angry about blackwater as well. But since then I've come around. That's the best they could do with their budget...

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I can read historical academic work if I want to know how things are. That's btw why I stopped reading history magazines (the popular ones you can buy at a news stand). They keep revisiting all the same subjects regularly, they are way too war focused and they keep getting back to battles as well ;) Don't get me wrong I find these topics interesting, also the threads in that other forum where they try to come up with population numbers and economic "modells" for the Seven Kingdoms.

These brain trainings are interesting for your mind, but in the end they have the same values as the "What If's" Alternative History. GRRM didn't set out to produce a realistic world and it's a process so distances can change, islands can grow and castles can move. Much more important than a mathematical model of the world is the literatary techniques and tropes he uses and the historical examples he borrows from.

He does take in a lot of the War of the Roses, but the chain is from constantinople. You can debate wether the Dothraki are more Huns or Mongols, Is Bravos more like Venice or Antwerpen/Amsterdam? And then there's the Titan of Bravos. I do like how GRRM manages to bring so many different stories and myths all into one twisted version of our world.

You can do that also with the characters. Bran's story reads a lot like a standard children fantasy story, being thrown out of his comfort zone, going on a voyage, finding the solution to the "war" and then....? Arya's similar, Sansa's a big deconstruction of Knightly Values, while Robb has a standard war account. And so on.

So, to get back to the original question. Sieges are historical, Battles provide a literary tool to further a character arc. It's fiction, so I'm ok with it ;)


I have to disagree.
Most of the episode was great, but it fell apart in Qarth. The scene in the House of the Undying was so much better than in the books. The visions, the forshadowing, the Undying.

I particularly didn't like...

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...how easily Dany and her people were able to imprison Daxos and plunder his estate. Isn't the new king supposed to have guards ? Surely one single warlock couldn't have been the basiis of his power. It looked like the whole city of Qarth became a ghost town the moment Pyat Pree caught fire.

That's the thing, it's not the House of the Undying that was the problem. It was that Qarth was not fleshed out at all. We don't know how Dany got to Xaro's Bedroom, we don't know why there was only one Warlock, Pyat Pree? Where were the others and where the "undying"? But I guess we have to be content as the story works on screen (it has action).

I get why they didn't have all the visions. Lots of work, lots of costs. and more importantly, all the ambiguity is lost if we see them directly and not "through Dany". And you can't do subtlety, i.e. the visions shown would be important (the RW pretty much spoiled), while in the books, they "drown" in the sheer amount of details described).

But more importantly they can do a "Tell, not Show" with this later on when

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Dany can question Selmy who knew Rhaegar, no? I'm not sure if they will do it, but they have the possibility. Later exposition is better since those details don't become important until much later.


So while I somehow get the outrage on some other forums about the HotU, I feel it's just one instance where the visual medium of the screen needs those changes to work. The Visual of Drogo, of the Red Keep and of the Wall does tie her in with images known to the viewer. That works. The three layers of the books (Story of the Present, Myths/Prophecies/Magic Stuff, Story of Robert's Rebellion) don't translate to the screen well at all.

Where a show change doesn't work for me is Littlefinger being pretty direct to Sansa. Why did they introduce Dontos at all? After seeing him juggle in the last episode I'd guessed that he would be seen this finale... Well...

Can anyone explain to me btw. why the White Walkers left Sam alone? For him to tell later on? Didn't the Other see him? I don't know...

And the award for the most missed character goes to Alliser Thorne. While Littlefinger can beam himself around the Realm (and the Throne Room), he is stuck on a ship lost in time. Couldn't the actor get back for one scene? Probably. Still, his audience with Tyrion would have been a very interesting scene...

One could make Awards like this: Most Underused Character, Most Overused Character, Best Innovation, Worst Translation from the books for new viewers (probably Smokie, whose price was not made clear), Best Sexposition, Best Visual Location/Costume. Might be fun to do ;)
 
And you can see my earlier post on exactly the same issue where I got a bit angry about blackwater as well. But since then I've come around. That's the best they could do with their budget...

Well, no, not entirely. I didn't say a word about the budget - it didn't look cheap to me - it just didn't make much sense to me what they did and why, and I am not a mediaeval warfare expert by any stretch of imagination. I think common sense is quite enough to understand that what they were doing was stupid. They could have just as easily do it more by the book - establish the actual need for the fleet to sail up the blackwater to make a "pontoon bridge" for the advancing army, then have the nice green explosion (which I liked very much, but I am a borderline pyromaniac ;) ) and all that follows with pretty much the same budget. Instead they went for a D-Day style landing which I thin is very anachronistic.

But anyway, I don't want to sound like that I didn't enjoy watching it - it's was great show.

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I fully agree on that - as I said, it's only us semi-nerds who actually care about these things. More causal readers just take it for what it is and enjoy the ride. I do as well, only when I start thinking about it later do I find such inconsistencies and mistakes :)


That's the thing, it's not the House of the Undying that was the problem. It was that Qarth was not fleshed out at all. We don't know how Dany got to Xaro's Bedroom, we don't know why there was only one Warlock, Pyat Pree? Where were the others and where the "undying"? But I guess we have to be content as the story works on screen (it has action).

I get why they didn't have all the visions. Lots of work, lots of costs. and more importantly, all the ambiguity is lost if we see them directly and not "through Dany". And you can't do subtlety, i.e. the visions shown would be important (the RW pretty much spoiled), while in the books, they "drown" in the sheer amount of details described).

I'll admit that when I first read the chapter in the book, I half-thought that the visions were just her hallucinations after drinking that blue stuff ;) I don't understand why they didn't do that in the series - it would be nicely ambiguous: was what she saw and did "real", or was she just tripping on drugs? :D I think that was what GRRM was aiming for, to establish unreliable narration for that chapter by having Dany be under influence of Gods-know-what substance.

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But more importantly they can do a "Tell, not Show" with this later on when Dany can question Selmy who knew Rhaegar, no? I'm not sure if they will do it, but they have the possibility. Later exposition is better since those details don't become important until much later.

So while I somehow get the outrage on some other forums about the HotU, I feel it's just one instance where the visual medium of the screen needs those changes to work.
I agree that the visions would only confuse people who don't know the books, or spoil RW and other things. But they could have at least shown Rhaegar, if only to later do what you suggested. Alternately, they could have shown the visions in flashes, blurred, or otherwise obscured so that nothing much was actually spoiled.

On the other hand, the destroyed throne room in the middle of what looked like a new Long Winter was very... chilling :) I loved it.

It's frustrating when I talk about this series with some of my friends who haven't read the books. I always want to explain what these things were really about, but can't because I would spoil the books. So our discussions mostly end with "Aaah, shut up and go read the book!" :D (The sales must have doubled since the series was released...)

Can anyone explain to me btw. why the White Walkers left Sam alone? For him to tell later on? Didn't the Other see him? I don't know...

Probably to let him
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kill one later with obsidian and earn his nickname ;)


One could make Awards like this: Most Underused Character, Most Overused Character, Best Innovation, Worst Translation from the books for new viewers (probably Smokie, whose price was not made clear), Best Sexposition, Best Visual Location/Costume. Might be fun to do ;)

:lol: All right:

Most Underused Character - goes to both Bolton and Karstark. Basically the whole Bolton line was cut, while Karstark didn't do... well, what he was supposed to do with all the consequences.
Most Overused Character - this one is hard. I generally think most characters had not enough time on screen. I'd say that in the absence of Bolton/Karstark intrique, Robb was there just to have his little romance. I liked watching it, but it didn't really move the story that much.
Worst Translation from the Books - the whole Qarth storyline.
Best Innovation - Shae. As I said earlier, they gave her more personality. In the books, she's just a vain little... whore, which makes one wonder what Tyrion sees in her.
Best Sexposition - no comment :D
(Worst Sexposition - Mel+Stannis)
Best Visual Location - whoo, this is very difficult. Many of the locations are very nice. I'd say the Fist of the First Men and the surrounding barren frozen landscape. Even though it's not like this in the books at all, I quite liked the visual poetry in it. Dragonstone also looked pretty much how I pictured it.
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Most Missed Location - Riverrun.
Most Disliked Departure from Books - Theon in Winterfell storyline (no Reek?! No Cassel's daughter used as a hostage? Boo!) followed closely by the compression of Arya's storyline
The Funniest New Scene - Theon's speech in the last episode. I laugh whenever I think of it.
The Most Gratifying Scene - Tyrion smacking Joffrey and otherwise ridiculing him at every opportunity.

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One little thing that really bugged me about Qarth was how the 13 were all European (Westerosi?). I really saw them as Chinese or Uzbek or the asoif equivalent
 
One little thing that really bugged me about Qarth was how the 13 were all European (Westerosi?). I really saw them as Chinese or Uzbek or the asoif equivalent

They are not. At least not Dany nor other characters describe them as such. They are actually described as being "milk-white", if I remember correctly. It's a bit strange, but in the ASOIAF universe skin colour and other physical traits seem rather randomly distributed. The Dothraki are more Asian looking, with bronze skin and "almond-shaped" eyes. People from the Summer Isles and probably Sothor(y)os as well are African looking.

Qarth is probably this universe's analogue of Constantinople - it controls the access to the Jade Sea and thus to the lands further East. That said, Asshai is as far east as you can get in ASOIAF, but even its people look fairly European (Melissandre is from Asshai).

BTW, here's a spoilerific map of Daenerys' journey so far:

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Well, no, not entirely. I didn't say a word about the budget - it didn't look cheap to me - it just didn't make much sense to me what they did and why, and I am not a mediaeval warfare expert by any stretch of imagination. I think common sense is quite enough to understand that what they were doing was stupid. They could have just as easily do it more by the book - establish the actual need for the fleet to sail up the blackwater to make a "pontoon bridge" for the advancing army, then have the nice green explosion (which I liked very much, but I am a borderline pyromaniac ;) ) and all that follows with pretty much the same budget. Instead they went for a D-Day style landing which I thin is very anachronistic.

But that's their argument, not? Either have something looking good and well done, but it defies logic, (no helmets, no pontoon bridge) or have something logical which looks fake. I do think this excuse is all to convenient for them, as it lets them excuse basically everything. Still...

I'll admit that when I first read the chapter in the book, I half-thought that the visions were just her hallucinations after drinking that blue stuff ;) I don't understand why they didn't do that in the series - it would be nicely ambiguous: was what she saw and did "real", or was she just tripping on drugs? :D I think that was what GRRM was aiming for, to establish unreliable narration for that chapter by having Dany be under influence of Gods-know-what substance.

I do have to agree I practically skipped over that chapter as well, as I wanted to see what happens at the end of the chapter and since these images seemed so random. I had to go back after reading about it on a forum to read the chapter once again ;)

Probably to let him
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kill one later with obsidian and earn his nickname ;)

I get it, plot armour. ;) But else?

(But I feel the show will not take that plot point up again and let that question just hang around in the open for us to guess and/or answer once Dreams of Spring comes around...)

:lol: All right:

Most Underused Character - goes to both Bolton and Karstark. Basically the whole Bolton line was cut, while Karstark didn't do... well, what he was supposed to do with all the consequences.I do think Karstark's action have been shifted to Riverrun in season 3, to have some stuff happen there before the climax of season 3 in you know where.

For me it's probably Stannis and in connection Renly. That storyline seems to have been so accelerated. For example they used the tell, not show to say us that Davos is but one person in the retinue of Stannis and that the other lords want to go a whole other direction and look down upon Davos. Or the whole "5 seconds of objection and honour by Stannis versus Melisandre's Seduction". He looks like a jerk that talks the talk, but doesn't walk it (he has a wife, you know...). So that could have been better.

Most Overused Character - this one is hard. I generally think most characters had not enough time on screen. I'd say that in the absence of Bolton/Karstark intrique, Robb was there just to have his little romance. I liked watching it, but it didn't really move the story that much.I do agree that Robb's adventures were kinda pointless in that they didn't show (or tell) us how succesfull he was in the Westerlands. They didn't actually say that word at all, right? And we do not know who Talisa is even after all those scenes, right?

But I do think the award needs to go to Dany. They managed to make many viewers think that she's like her brother now, always screaming at people, referencing her dragons and expecting things for nothing. I'm not sure the finale managed to reverse that... Qarth could have been done a lot better...

Worst Translation from the Books - the whole Qarth storyline.Agree, I would single out the House of the Undying though. Not for the visions (which worked great on TV), but for the whole "round tower", and NO people around. No Guards of Xaro, ONE warlock and only Jorah, Kovarro ("I want to take that-Dothraki") and Dany. Looked really deserted. I do think the Fist of the First men needs a special mention though. Even if it does look magnificient, I can't wrap my head around why this location in that snowy wasteland would be a good defensive place and lookout. The Frostfangs where the wildlings are right now could look like that, but that's a location to look for a horn, not to wait several weeks
Best Innovation - Shae. As I said earlier, they gave her more personality. In the books, she's just a vain little... whore, which makes one wonder what Tyrion sees in her. Agree, though I wonder where it will go in season 4.../End of ASOS. Another option would be the Tywin/Arya scenes, even if they run into some problems of why Tywin doesn't act?
Best Sexposition - no comment :D Theon and shiplady?
(Worst Sexposition - Mel+Stannis) yepp
Best Visual Location - whoo, this is very difficult. Many of the locations are very nice. I'd say the Fist of the First Men and the surrounding barren frozen landscape. Even though it's not like this in the books at all, I quite liked the visual poetry in it. Dragonstone also looked pretty much how I pictured it.see above... I liked the new King's Landing a lot. What I didn't like were the Stormlands (SOUTH of King's Landing looks so cold?), also the few establishing shots like the one we had of Dany's Khalassar at the beginning in the desert
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Most Missed Location - Riverrun. Storm's End, probably the only chance to see it for the next few years...
Most Disliked Departure from Books - Theon in Winterfell storyline (no Reek?! No Cassel's daughter used as a hostage? Boo!) followed closely by the compression of Arya's storylineI don't think the switcheroos would have been possible to do within the show, and I do think they will catch up with a lot of those stuff in the next season. But they did seem to make Theon dumber than in the books...
The Funniest New Scene - Theon's speech in the last episode. I laugh whenever I think of it.I did like Armory Lorch's Death as well...
The Most Gratifying Scene - Tyrion smacking Joffrey and otherwise ridiculing him at every opportunity.yepp

;)

Oh, and I got a few more categories:

Worst veiled Chekov's Gun Grenn, Edd and Sam finding the Dragonglass takes the cake, followed tightly by the namedropping of the Big Bad Brotherhood in the Riverlands for
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Arya and her merry band of friends

Worst distraction attempt Walnuts and Farmer's Boys for Bran and Rickon's Death.
Cliffhanger with the worst payoff Catelyn's "Hand me your Sword, Brienne." regarding Jaime.
Best new opening cinematic Pyke's Bridges bouncing up and down.
Worst new opening cinematic The lack of a "Beyond the Wall" segment.
Best Tyrion Line Something he said to Cersei (or "I don't question your honor, I deny its existence" to Janos Slynt")
Most Badass Death Yoren, although it seemed to be a bit foolish of him.
 
Most Unneeded Character Death: Rakharo(Jhogo in the books). I still don't get why they killed him off in the first episode. It doesn't happen in the books and there doesn't seem like a good reason to kill him off.

Actually i think the whole end to the first season should've been done better. Rakharo, Jhogo and Aggo should've been asked by Dany to become the first of her bloodriders/queensgaurd (which they will refuse) before asking Jorah the same. Then have Rakharo, Jhogo and Aggo swear the oath after they find Dany the next day with her Dragons. Basically make it happen like it did in the book, that scene was epic and for good reason, and it would've been a good scene for character development in the tv adaption.

Likewise, they should've expanded on the meeting in the hall of Riverun between all the Northern and River lords, made it clear that the Riverlands sworn allegiance to Robb Stark and include the various lords yammering about Renly declaring himself King, marching onto Harrenhal or Kings Landing, or striking west and taking Casterly Rock, with Robb listening to all these suggestions and looking like his lord father, as well as the scenes with Ser Stevron and Catelyn pleading for peace and an exchange in hostages, Robb declaring there will be no peace for the Lannisters, and then ending with the Greatjon proclaiming him King in the North. This is what the audience wanted to see, this is how you as the producers could inform the audience briefly about the politics and military reality of Robb's situation, and would have made Greatjon's speech contrast with the direction of the council meeting and thus a much more notable event.

They also should've cast the Blackfish in Season 1. We could have lived without Edmure for the first season, but the Blackfish was kinda important.
 
Most Unneeded Character Death: Rakharo(Jhogo in the books). I still don't get why they killed him off in the first episode. It doesn't happen in the books and there doesn't seem like a good reason to kill him off.

I do get it. The character was written out because the actor left for movie deals. I was more suprised to see him appear in season 2 in the first place than by his death.
That's just something you have to live with in a series with so many minor characters.
 
and what about irri and jighi???

Yah, those two were good devices because there are not that many characters that Dany interacts with in the storyline and Dany herself is a foreigner, and when dealing with an unknown continent, it helps the viewer to see from time to time the world through her handmaids eyes/perspectives, especially seeing as a tv adaption is going to be less descriptive and in less details than in the books.

That is why I applaud the decision for having Doreah live through the red waste, as she herself gives another additional perspective as someone from the free cities. I don't approve of the way she and her other handmaids died and don't think it was an intelligent decision.

They should at the very least of had Irri bloodied and injured but alive in their storyline deviation.


Also if that was the case (regarding the actor playing Rakharo), then find a new actor. They did it for the Mountain and nobody would actually notice or care. Especially as they already had made Rakharo Jhogo and Jhogo Rakharo.
 
But they did that. Kovarro is supposed to be another one of her bloodriders. Why they chose to give him a new name instead of one of the bloodriders I don't know. Having a new actor play the role of Rakharo would be bad. People get confused already and the new mountain was not welcomed at all so far. Many people didn't get that he was supposed to be the same character that killed his horse last season.

And let's face it, the bloodriders are interchangeably. Let's just hope that Kovarro stays long enough ;)
 
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