A mod of Fall From Heaven is still Fall from Heaven. They are as alien to FfH2 as humans are from eachother, which is to say not at all. You don't need to relearn all mechanics, though; only the few changes that pertain to the Grigori. As RifE and FF are firmly based on FfH2, the change is negligable in most regards. Charmed as I am at the flattery, I am not a thread; 'on-topic in response' to me is still grossly off topic, especially when I was not off topic in the first place. You can disagree with my suggestions, but that does not mean they aren't appropriate in context of the thread/ You are and were. Common sense and basic social skills as well. You are not a Mod, so by shaddowmodding you're breaching your forum role as well. Yeah, you pretty much derailed this thread. And for no real reason: it was neither necessary or helpful. Necessity implies a lack of choice, but even a minor faux paus on my part harms no one. Yet your 'correction' has directly led to the derailment of this thread; one of us made no difference to the thread, and the other sparked a derailement. Congratulations. Perhaps we should put you to use in politics. Insidious? Wicked? Get over your offended morality. The ability to start with a stronger economy economy by turn 1 improvements is an advantage for the modmods. Similarly, civics like city states greatly cut down maintanence costs. That is not a opinion, it is a fact. While you can argue that he might have other problems, starting economy will not be one of them with the other mods. There is evil conspiracy against him in that suggestion. There's no venting to be done in the first place, nor are there any falsehoods. The alternative mods offer expanded economic options to manage the economy. You haven't even tried to deny it in the least. Duh of the week, though 'subtle' =/= condecension. Perhaps you should remember this next time you want to 'correct' someone else.