Help needed: Leader Favourite Tenets

Xyth

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I'm currently writing the AI for the new Religious Tenets system. Part of this involves leaders having favourite tenets, much like favourite civics but a bit more involved. Given there are 154 leaders in HR, your help with assigning these would save me a lot of time and effort. Please use this thread for suggestions. A few notes:

  • Don't include Divinity tenets, these are determined by the religion not the player
  • Multiple suggestions are very helpful; even though there'll only be one 'official' favourite, I can still use the others to help guide AI decision making
  • In particular, a Tolerance tenet for each leader (in addition to other suggestions) would be immensely helpful. This is the toughest category to code AI for, and will need to be predetermined for the most part.
  • Favourites are also about the civilization at the time of the leader, not just the leader's personal religious outlook. For example, Perikles might have Rationalism as a favourite, not because he was necessarily like that, but Athens in his era was.
  • Sometimes it's unavoidable, but where practical I prefer to avoid having too many leaders from the same civilization having the same favourite, e.g. all Egyptian leaders with Preservation.

The list of tenets for reference (excluding Divinity tenets):

Spoiler :
Aspiration Tenets

This category is about what the people believe their religion will do or provide for them. Like the Divinity category, each tenet here provides a method of generating faith. All other bonuses require the religion's Temple. The first three Aspiration Tenets are available straight away, the other 3 require techs to unlock.


Fertility
• +2 food from state religion Temples
• +1 faith from Crop resources

Prosperity
• +3 commerce from state religion Temples
• +1 faith from Luxury resources

Order
• +3 production from state religion Temples
• +1 faith from Material resources

Preservation
Requires Property
• +1 health from state religion Temples
• +1 faith from Wonders

Salvation
Requires Priesthood
• +1 happiness from state religion Temples
• +1 faith from combat victory over heathen units

Enlightenment
Requires Ethics
• +25% GPP in cities with state religion Temples
• +5 faith from settled Great People​


Morality Tenets

This category concerns what a religion values and how it's hierarchy expects it's followers to act and think. It has most of the more military themed bonuses. Each tenet here has a bonus that is only useful for cities with your religion's Great Temple (which still require a Great Prophet and a particular number of Temples to construct).


Hedonism
• Free City Raider promotion in cities with state religion Great Temples
• +25% production of cultural buildings and wonders

Purity
Requires Medicine
• +2 health from Baths
• Free March promotion in cities with state religion Great Temples

Altruism
Requires Welfare
• Free Doctor in cities with state religion Great Temples
• +25% production of growth buildings and wonders

Honour
Requires Chivalry
• Can draft units each turn
• Free Leadership promotion in cities with state religion Great Temples

Duty
Requires Dogma
• Free Engineer in cities with state religion Great Temples
• +25% production of military buildings and wonders

Justice
Requires Humanities
• Free Spy in cities with state religion Great Temples
• -25% dissent in all cities​


Revelation Tenets

This category describes how followers of a religion seek knowledge and understanding of both the world and the divine. Many of the bonuses here are connected to Monasteries (which will no longer go obsolete, but will require a Temples to be built - half as many as Great Temples do). Of particular note are the tenets that add a commerce to Monasteries when Great Prophets emerge. These provide an additional reward for investing in faith.


Superstition
• State Monasteries gain +1 culture when a Great Prophet emerges
• +1 happiness from Cemetery

Occultism
Requires Alchemy
• State Monasteries gain +1 espionage when a Great Prophet emerges
• 25% chance for a free Merchant when constructing a Clinic

Scripture
Requires Writing
• State Monasteries gain +1 wealth when a Great Prophet emerges
• 25% chance for a free Priest when constructing a Library

Pilgrimage
Requires Compass
• +1 trade route in cities with State Monasteries
• +100% trade route commerce in city with State Religion Shrine

Discipline
Requires Aesthetics
• +2 experience for units trained in cities with State Religion Monasteries
• 25% chance for a free Artist when constructing a Stadium

Rationalism
Requires Education
• State Monasteries gain +1 research when a Great Prophet emerges
• 25% chance for a free Scientist when constructing a School​


Tolerance Tenets

This category is concerned with spreading religions and how a religion interacts with others, both domestic and foreign. Because I'm still finalizing some related mechanics, this is the category least finished and most subject to further iteration. You'll notice a couple of bonuses are currently missing. There will be no tech requirements for any of these tenets however.


Insularity
• Unaffected by foreign reformations
• No unhappiness from defying Apostolic Palace or United Nations resolutions

Forbearance
• -50% negative attitude from religious differences
• ???

Proselytism
• Can train 100% more Missionaries
• Spreading state religion also constructs its Temple

Fundamentalism
• Can train Inquisitors
• No spread of non-state religions

Syncretism
• +50% positive attitude from religious similarities
• ???

Pluralism
• No unhappiness from non-state religions
• No dissent from non-state religions​


Worship Tenets

You didn't think you'd get all these cool bonuses for free did you? This category is about what followers have to endure to get the benefits of their religion. There are no bonuses here, only penalties. Note that Apostasy has no tech requirement - this is the tenet for those that wish to have no state religion. You don't suffer the heftier penalties of the other Worship tenets, but most of the tenets in the other categories have bonuses that only apply to a state religion. So you'll miss out on those instead.


Idolatry
• Golden Age length reduced by 50%
• No access to Stone or Marble

Sacrifice
Requires Ritual
• No food stored after city growth
• Construction of Wonders sacrifices 1 population

Ceremony
Requires Astronomy
• +25% maintenance from number of cities
• -25% wealth in capital

Meditation
Requires Philosophy
• 50% slower production of Military Units
• +50% war weariness

Prayer
Requires Theology
• -50% Great Doctor emergence
• -50% Great Scientist emergence

Apostasy
• No state religion
• -2 attitude from civilizations with a state religion​
 
Would leaders have only one tenant? or one in each category? I could see A. Lincoln having Morality: Justice, but I'm not sure about the other categories if they rate needed
 
Would leaders have only one tenant? or one in each category? I could see A. Lincoln having Morality: Justice, but I'm not sure about the other categories if they rate needed

Only one favourite tenet needed per leader, not one from each category. Additional suggestions are still useful though, as I can use them internally to help guide the AI.
 
Hey Xyth I made a few suggestions. Hope this helps:

Agamemmnon – Greece
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Hedonism – (Hump, hump, hump, invade Troy)

Plato’s writings did not reflect a very impressive attitude toward “Agamemmnon”

+Early tenant for early Leader



Vercingetorix – Celts
Spoiler :

Fertility – Druidic nature worshippers you know

+Early tenant for early Leader

or Honour – The definition of the honorable leader
However, Robert the Bruce, may be a better use for Honor.



Robert – King of Scots (Celts)
Spoiler :

Honour – wage a guerilla war against England, invaded Ireland, crowned King of Scots.

Medieval trait for a medieval leader (requires chivalry)



Knut - Scandanavia
Spoiler :

“The most successful king in Anglo-Saxon history, despite not being Anglo-Saxon” – Norman Cantor

According to Cnut the Great himself he was “King of all England and Denmark and the Norwegians and some of the Swedes”.

Knut’s subjects also were given tax brakes from other Christian Kingdoms when they made their way to the Coronation of the Holy Roman Emperor.

Syncretism - +50% Attitude from religious similarities



Washington – America
Spoiler :

A true student of the Enlightenment

Pluralism – …and a new nation was born



Empress Consort Jingū – Japan
Spoiler :

Jinju is considered to be a legend, since there is insufficient historical material.

Legend says she invaded Korea, and returned victorious three years later.

There is no record in Korean history of this, however a contemporary Chinese text references a Japanese presence in Korea.

Today her son Emperor Ōjin is considered to be the 15th Emperor
Encyclodpedia Britannica: Ōjin is believed to have consolidated imperial power, spearheaded land reform, and actively promoted cultural exchanges with Korea and China…Chinese scholars introduced Confucianism and the Chinese writing system into the country, thus marking the beginning of Japanese cultural growth.

So let’s assume Jingu reigned while she waited for her son to come of age, and lets also assume the son built upon his mother’s values.

Prosperity – To represent the cultural and economic growth during this period.

Forbearance
– to represent a seemingly positive attitude toward foreign philosophies and technology.



Lincoln - America
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Enlighenment – This era in American history was one where we saw many great people rise up to serve. (so +50% GPP production makes sense) And many great people in the late 1800’s brought about profound revolutionary change.

Duty – In the age of Lincoln everyone served. Be slave or master, immigrant or scholar. It was also a time of great industrialization, so the bonus to production makes sense.

Rationalism – this may be the best, since it requires education, and as far as timing goes is really when Lincoln should hit his stride. Growth in research and science during this time certainly did occur, spurred by the American Civil War.






Cyrus – Persia
Spoiler :
Founder of the Achaemenid Empire
The largest empire the ancient world had yet seen.

Pilgrimage – An empire spanning many peoples, trade routes crisscrossed, silk from the east, wine and olives from the west.

Pluralism - Cyrus was known for respecting the religion of those he conquered.



DeGaulle – France

Spoiler :
Insularity – Known as Gaullism, this was the belief that France could succeed without American & British involvement in its economic or military needs.

DeGaulle voted on multiple occasions to keep the British out of the European community and also reduced France’s involvement in NATO. So it makes sense that there should be no unhappiness when he defies the U.N.



Lê Lợii – Vietnam

Spoiler :
Discipline – With only a small army, Le Loi resisted Chinese occupation, in the mid 1300’s I believe. (So it makes sense his favorite trait should be from the Renaissance era)

He success came from a combination of heroic efforts by his officers, and clever strategic choices to deceive the Chinese.

Le Loi’s rule after gaining independence was characterized by great investment in and growth. He reorganized his government around Confucian principles (hence Discipline). As well as investing in roads, bridges, new money and former generals were given elevated positions in government. The result of this was China left Vietnam alone for 500 year.



Mustafa Kemal Attaturk! – Turks

Spoiler :
Following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire Mustafa Kemal oversaw the creation of what we now know as modern Turkey. He introduced many western concepts both culturally, economically, and militarily.

Primary school education was free, a secular government was established and ensured by the military,

Rationalism




Alexander
Greece


Spoiler :
Pluralism – Alexander’s rule was a tolerant one.

Ceremony - -25% Wealth in capital, +25% maintenance from Cities.

As his empire grew Greece seemed less and less at it’s center, and it’s fragility was preserved only by the strength of it’s leader.



Karolus – Germany
Spoiler :

A leader who Christianized people on penalty of death

Fundamentalism


Saladin – Arabia

Spoiler :
Scripture – Libraries, Commerce, Religion all saw great growth and support under Saladin’s wise rule

He was also tolerant, more so than the Crusaders, but giving him Forbearance will discourage wars between he and Christian nations, and that would be unfortunate as far as game play and historicity is concerned.



El Cid – Spain
Spoiler :

He fought Muslims, but also Christians, he was a military leader above all else.

Honour

(Requires Chivalry, perfect)



Po’Pay – Anasazi (Also known as Popé)
Spoiler :

Idolatry (-50% golden ages, his new nation only lasted 12 years)

Leader of the Pueblo Revolt. A warrior & a leader. Pope’ was a traditionalist; he encouraged his people to return to their ancient ways. His revolt was short lived, and mired by crop failures that followed.


Tin Hanan – Berbers

Spoiler :
“She of the Tents” Archaelogical study of her tomb, points to the fact that she may have been disabled, due to a lumbar deformation. Which means she may have been the legendary “lame queen” known as Tiski,

Meditation – there is no record of major conquering done during her reign, she gave birth to nomadic tribes. As a deformed lame queen she was unlikely to have been a military leader, or but perhaps inspired great faith in her people, due to her deformation.
(Note: Tin Hanan’s trait as Aggressive – not so much her trait, as her people, living in the desert, these people, known as Mazyes or Libyans to the Ancient greeks, were certainly a hardy folk, and effective warriors)



Timur - Mongolia

Spoiler :
“Tamerlane The Great”

Tamerlane relied on Islamic icons and used religious propaganda, himself he called “The Sword of Islam”.

He killed some 5% of the world population at the time.

Salvation: +1 Faith from combat victory over heathen units
My issue with this, is that he mostly conquered Muslims

Discipline or Honor for the glorious armies of “the Sword of Islam”




Theyendanegea - Iroquois

Spoiler :
Joseph Brant of the Mohawk. A prince, a Christian missionary, and a military officer.

When he married his wife they had both Mohawk and Anglican wedding ceremonies

Forbearance or
Proselytism - For most of his life he served as a Anglican Missionary

A letter from Joseph Brant to King George III:
"Our wise men are called Fathers, and they truly sustain that character. Do you call yourselves Christians? Does the religion of Him who you call your Savior inspire your spirit, and guide your practices? Surely not.

It is recorded of him that a bruised reed he never broke. Cease then to call yourselves Christians, lest you declare to the world your hypocrisy. Cease too to call other nations savage, when you are tenfold more the children of cruelty than they.

No person among us desires any other reward for performing a brave and worthwhile action, but the consciousness of having served his nation.

I bow to no man for I am considered a prince among my own people. But I will gladly shake your hand."

Joseph Brant to King George III



Cetshwayo - Zulu

Spoiler :
The last King of the Independent Zulu nation.
Born duing the Rule of the great, Shaka Zulu…
His father, Mpande, tried to appease Dutch and British settlers, Cetshwayo was not destined to follow this path. Realizing this, his father tried to break the laws of succession and began giving land to another of his sons.

In 1857 Cetshway defeated his brother on the banks of the Tugela River.

A traditional leader, Cetshwya prevent the decentralization over power started under his father. He also reimplemented the amabutho system of military organization.

For the start of his rule Cetshway shared power with his father, though it was clear the son had far more influence.

Order – For his work to reorganize and centralize power.



Ragnar
Scandinavia

Spoiler :

Ragnar Lodbrok King of the Norsemen

Most likely a amalgamation of several successful Viking kings, including King Horik I and King Reginfrid.

The legendary Rangnar claimed to be descended from Odin
The historical King Horik was equally devote, he refused to allow the Catholics to proselytize the Danes. In 845 Horik’s army sacked Hamburg and destroyed St. Mary’s Cathedral as well as engaged in other raids against the Holy Roman Empire.

Insularity


**note should there be a tenant that encourages intolerance?



Shaka Zulu
Spoiler :
Discipline


Amanirena Nubia
Spoiler :
Superstition

Amanirenas, queen of the Meroitic Kingdom of Kush
“Kuhorsehockyes also built burial mounds and pyramids, and shared some of the same gods worshiped in Egypt, especially Ammon and Isis. With the worshiping of these gods the Kuhorsehockyes began to take some of the names of the gods as their throne names.”


Genghis Khan - Mongolia

Spoiler :
Temujin, founder and Khan of the Mongolian Empire.

He encouraged religious tolerance and encouraged the adoption of a writing system (belonging to the Uyghurs)

Pluralism
I know right! You didn't expect that. The lack of dissent allows Khan’s empire to grow at an incredible rate, consuming the world!



Stalin - Russia

Spoiler :
Apostasy – The Church corrupts all, and prevents the establishment of a true socialist state.


Mehmed - Turks
Spoiler :
“Mehmed II, the Conqueror”, the Caliph of Islam, universities and mosques have been named after him.

Scripture - +1 Faith for Victories over Heathen units



Pachacuti – Inca
Spoiler :
“Pachacutec, the 9th Sapa Inca of the Kingdom of Cusco”

It is now believed he built Manchu Piccu

Order - +3 Production from State Religion Temples
+1 faith from Material Resources (medals mined from mountains was not for economic reasons, but for the religious power of the Emperor).

While you may also want to consider duty, he was not that militarily aggressive, rather he was known for his defense against the warlike Chanka.


Kublai Khan
Mongolia

Spoiler :

Founder of the Yuan Dynasty. His realm reached from the Pacific to the Black Sea.
No one can forget Coleridge’s 1797 poem, Kubla Khan, which focuses on the great Khan’s summer garden, Xanadu.

Khan was also known for forcing 237 Taoist temples to convert to Buddhism.
Fundamentalism, or Purity (for Xanadu)


Montezuma
Aztec

Spoiler :

Sacrifice - While it seems this suits the Aztecs, Prayer may be more appropriate. As death and disease swept their land, the sacrifice they implemented was not for development. But rather for the sake of praying to the gods. The end result was a society even less prepared for the arrival of the more advanced Europeans.
Prayer



Pacal
Maya

Spoiler :

Altruism - Pacal was known for many architectural wonders. Rivaling the great pyramids.



(If anyone wishes to continue from here, the above are the Civs listed in the two left most columns, on the "History Rewritten Traits" download. With the exception of Pacal)
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I didn't use Prosperity, Preservation, Justice, Idolatry
And I used Meditation, Fertility, Hedonism, Pilgrimage, only once.

I think that is an accurate count, should give you a rough idea.
 
Suggestions:
Leaders with shared "Creativity" trait.
From Column #3 of the History Rewritten Traits download



Seondeok - Korea

Spoiler :
Queen Seondeok of Korea's Silla Kingdom

Forbearance - For her tolerance toward other nations (i.e China)
Altruism - For her wise rule, and construction of many religious & scientific wonders.
Preservation - For the stability she brought to her kingdom through her wise rule.

This queen was the first female monarch to rule in her own name in Korean history. She was born Princess Deokman in 606 C.E.; she became heir when none of the King's "official" queens (i.e. not concubines) had had a son.

Queen Seondeck, known for her intelligence, took the throne at the age of 26. In 15 years of rule she used skillful diplomacy to draw Korea closer to China. Not only did she use diplomacy to foster stronger relations abroad, but she also encouraged inter marriages between powerful Korea families to create greater stability.

Spiritual Power:
"A chorus of white frogs appeared in the dead of winter and croaked ceaselessly in the Jade Gate Pond at Yeongmyosa Temple. When Queen Seondeok heard about their untimely emergence from hibernation, she immediately sent 2,000 soldiers to the "Woman's Root Valley" or Yeogeunguk, west of the capital at Gyeonju. There, the Silla troops found and wiped out a force of 500 invaders from neighboring Baekje.
Her courtiers asked Queen Seondeok how she knew that the Baekje soldiers were there. She replied that the frogs represented soldiers, white meant they came from the west, and their appearance at the Jade Gate (a euphemism for female genitalia) told her that the soldiers would be in the Woman's Root Valley.
Another legend preserves the Silla people's love for Queen Seondeok. According to this story, a man named Jigwi traveled to the Yeongmyosa Temple to see the queen, who was making a visit there. Unfortunately, he was tired out by his journey and fell asleep while waiting for her. Queen Seondeok was touched by his devotion, so she gently placed her bracelet on his chest as a sign of her presence.
When Jigwi woke up and found the queen's bracelet, his heart was so filled with love that it burst into flame. The blaze burned down the entire pagoda at Yeongmyosa."
Arts & Education
Queen Seondeok was also know as a sponsor of the arts and education. She had a strong interest in Buddhism, and sponsored the construction of the Bunhwangsa Temple. Her most enduring project was the Cheomseongdae or "Star-gazing Tower".




Louis - France
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Louis had a simple view of religion, the King controlled the Catholic Church, and the church should do his bidding.

Discipline - The king expected absolute control over the church, an occasional chance for a free Artist reflects France's flourishing culture.




Chandragupta - India
Spoiler :
Chandra Gupta Maurya, Emperor of India

Meditation
Purity


The Emperor, whose rule lasted from 321 - 297 B.C.E, was known for unifying India under one government, and freeing the country from foreign domination, he died from fasting in sorrow for his famine stricken people.

Maurya was a follower of Jainism, which teaches a path to spiritual purity and enlightenment through disciplined mode of life founded on the tradition of ahimsa, the belief in not causing harm to any living thing.

Monks and nuns of Jainism must fight passions and bodily senses to gain omniscience and purity.


De Medici - Rome
Spoiler :

Prosperity - enough said


Jayavarman VII - Angkor ** changes made **

Spoiler :

"Supreme lord of Shiva", King of the Khmer Empire of Angkor

He expanded the empire to its greatest territorial extent and engaged in a building program that yielded numerous temples (including Angkor Thom), highways, rest houses, and hospitals.

In modern times Jayavarman VII became a kind of paradigmatic national hero, who was credited not only with establishing the full greatness of the Cambodian nation but also with bringing into being a welfare state that was motivated by Buddhism and dedicated to serving both the spiritual and the physical needs of the Cambodian people.

- From the Encyclopedia Britannica

Altruism - For his establishment of a welfare state, construction of hospitals & prolific building projects.
Order - For his prolific building projects
Preservation or Purity - For his establishment of a welfare state, catering to the physical wellbeing of his people. (Purity March bonus, for his rapid expansion of the Cambodian nation)



Nebuchadnezzer - Amurru

Spoiler :


Deuteronomy 28:27-29; Jeremiah 25:16
“The Lord will smite you with madness and with blindness and with bewilderment of heart; and you will grope at noon, as the blind man gropes in darkness, and you will not prosper in your ways; but you shall only be oppressed and robbed continually, with none to save you.” (Deuteronomy 28:27–29)


Nebuchadnezzer II, the King whom God struck with madness is credited for the construction of the Hanging Gardens and the destruction of Jerusalem's temple.

Hedonism - For his supposed madness, his conquering ways, and his incredible contributions to culture in Babylon.


Ramesses - Egypt
Spoiler :
"Keeper of Harmony and Balance, Strong in Right, Elect of Ra'."
Ramses II, reigned for 67 years, and was known as "Ramses the Great".

Duty: For his building projects and military successes.
Scripture: A meticulous record keeper
Order: For his 67 year reign, his effective use of laborers in his many building projects.

He is the first king in history to sign a peace treaty with his enemies, the Hittites.
He restored the borders of Egypt through military might, ensured it's trade routes,
Despite popular claims, there is no historical evidence that Ramses was the biblical Ramses from the book of Exodus. Archaeological evidence tells us that Ramses building projects used skilled & unskilled Egyptian laborers in his building projects.


Hammurabi - Amurru

Spoiler :
Hammurabi's famous Cod of Laws was intertwined with his religious beliefs.
Hammurabi codified 282 laws on an 8ft high piece of black basalt. At the top of this is the King standing before Samash, the sun god and patron of law and justice.

Scripture - For his effective use of cuneiform
Justice - An advanced trait, but certainly reflects Hammurabi's contribution to his civilizations legal philosophy.


Akbar - India
Spoiler :
Muslim Emperor of India (1542 - 1605)

Forbearance or Pluralism: for his religious tolerance
Prosperity: For his centralized system, effective form of tax collection, and rewarding of any loyal civil servants despite religious or ethnic background.

Akbar established a sprawling kingdom through his conquests, but is also known for a policy of religious tolerance.

Akbar was known for rewarding talent, loyalty, and intellect, regardless of ethnic background or religious practice. In addition to compiling an able administration, this practice brought stability to his dynasty by establishing a base of loyalty to Akbar that was greater than that of any one religion.
In 1574 Akbar revised his tax system, separating revenue collection from military administration. Each subah, or governor, was responsible for maintaining order in his region, while a separate tax collector collected property taxes and sent them to the capital. This created checks and balances in each region, since the individuals with the money had no troops, and the troops had no money, and all were dependent on the central government. The central government then doled out fixed salaries to both military and civilian personnel according to rank.




Pericles - Greece
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Son of Xanthippus, his name means "Surrounded by Glory."

Discipline - For his effective military leadership, his strong guidance of Athens.
Altruism - For his selfless dedication to the city of Athens, and his contsruction of the Parthenon.
Both of the above are late traits to be the favorite of such an early leader so other suggestions: Preservation (For his creation of the Acropolis)

Thucydides describes him as "The first citizen of Athens". He did not try to over expand his empire, but at home was effective at eliminating his political rivals.

Pericles is credited with the construction of the Acropolis & the Parthenon and developing a democracy based on majority rule.


Abbas - Persia
Spoiler :
Safavid shad of Persia, "Abbas the Great". Shah from 1588 to 1629.

Discipline: He fostered commerce and the arts and expelled the Ottoman and Uzbek troops from Persia.

Purity: For his contributions to the construction of public bath projects, and swift movement of troops across his kingdom.

Scripture: For his restoration of public shrines, and general contribution to theological education.

"He adorned the city with many mosques and theological colleges and constructed numerous caravansaries and public baths. He laid out the city with spacious boulevards and a splendid square. The Shah’s building energies were not confined to Eṣfahān; the extension and restoration of the famous shrine at Meshed and the construction, along the swampy littoral of the Caspian Sea, of the celebrated stone causeway, designed to give access to his favourite winter retreats, were among his most notable achievements." - Encyclopedia Brittanica


Hatshepsut - Egypt
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Hatchepsut, female king of Egypt, from 1473 B.C.E to 1458 B.C.E

Prosperity

She had a peaceful reign, her foreign policy was based on trade, not war. "Gold, ebony, animal skins, baboons, processed myrrh and living myrrh trees were brought to egypt." - Encyclopedia Brittanica



Piye - Nubia
Spoiler :
Piye, king of Cush in Sudan

Salvation - Protector of the upper nile, for his conquering of the Libyans

The cult of the Egyptian god Amon Re was strongly entrenched among the Cuhorsehockyes, and a threat by Tefnakhte, a Libyan chieftain of the Nile delta, to Amon’s homeland in Upper Egypt provoked Piye to move northward. - Encyclopedia Brittanica


Djoser
Spoiler :
Zoser, 2nd King of the 3rd Dynasty. His rule was marked by great technological innovation in the use of stone, his minister was the great architect and physician Imhotep.

Occultism - For mastering the masonic mysteries of stone work, and other technological breathroughs
Superstition - For the contsruction of his step pyramid, and surrounding religious buildings.


In the above suggestions Discipline and Purity make some frequent appearances, I found opportunities to work in some of the less used traits towards the end of the list, Salvation, Occultism, Superstition.



Leaders with Shared Defensive Trait
From Column # 4 of the History Rewritten Traits download


Trung Sisters - Vietnam
Spoiler :
12 - AD 43
A short lived reign of 3 years, spent in rebellion against the Han Chinese.

Salvation - For inspiring their people to stand in open rebellion against the Chinese
Superstition - For the construction of temples after their death that continued to inspire culture and independence.

Hai Ba Trung Temple one of two temples in Vietnam built to honor the Trung sisters.



Hattsuili - Hatti
Spoiler :
Not sure which Hattsuili this is:
Hedonism - Hattsuili I for his conquering ways.
Fertility - Hattsuli III's relatively peaceful reign.



Kamehameha - Polynesia
Spoiler :
Paiea: "Hard-Shelled Crab" Kamehameha: "The Very Lonely One"
Paiea Kamehameha I, was a conqueror and king, who united all the Hawaiian Islands.

Justice: For his work to unite all the Hawaiian islands in the 18th century, and his elimination of human sacrifice.

"He retained the traditional harsh kapu system of laws and punishments, but he also promulgated the mamalahoe kanawai, “the law of the splintered paddle,” which protected the common people from unduly brutal aggressions of powerful chiefs. He also outlawed human sacrifice, rites that had been performed in former times to increase the mana, or sacred power, of the king." - Encyclopedia Britannica


Wang Kon - Korea

Spoiler :
Honour: For his respect for the people's of overthrown states and his success in uniting the Korean Peninsula.

"Wang Kŏn went to great lengths to absorb the people of the overthrown states, even accepting the survivors of Parhae, which had been destroyed by the Khitan (Liao)".

"Gen. Wang Kŏn, who in 918 overthrew the state of Later Koguryŏ, established in north-central Korea by the monk Kungye. Changing the name of the state to Koryŏ, Wang Kŏn established his capital at Songdo (present-day Kaesŏng, N.Kor.). With the surrender of the kingdoms of Silla (in 935) and Later Paekche (in 936) he established a unified kingdom on the peninsula." - Encyclopedia Britannica




Sitting Bull - Sioux (Hunkpapa Lakota)

Spoiler :
Ceremony: A holy man, who lead a people less interested in wealth than their spiritual journey.

Insularity: A people unlikely to change due to outside influences. Nomadic, Proud, and followers of their own path.

A Hunkpapa Lakota chief and holy man under whom the Lakota tribes united in their struggle for survival on the northern plains, Sitting Bull remained defiant toward American military power and contemptuous of American promises to the end.
Once, in 1872, during a battle with soldiers protecting railroad workers on the Yellowstone River, Sitting Bull led four other warriors out between the lines, sat calmly sharing a pipe with them as bullets buzzed around, carefully reamed the pipe out when they were finished, and then casually walked away.


Sobieski - Poland
Spoiler :
Polish King Jan Sonieski. A soldier who drove back the Ottoman Turks and briefly restored the Kingdom of Poland-Lithuania to greatness for the last time (so far).
Salvation: For military success against the Muslim empire of the Ottomans.


Sundjata - Mali
Spoiler :
Mali's first King of Kings, Sundiata Keita 1217 - 1255, great uncle of Mansa Musa.
Upon his death in 1255 he had established the territorial base of this western Suadanese empire and laid foundations for it's future prosperity.
Sundiata was regarded as a great hunter and magician, his subject preferred traditional beliefs. Some claim he was a Muslim with Syncretism practices.
Fertility: For his people's traditional beliefs
Syncretism: For his unique approach to the Muslim faith.


Leonidas - Greece
Spoiler :
The Warrior King of Sparta, famous for his defense of the path at Themopylae from the Persians invasion.
Honour: No better trait for a Spartan
Purity: Many times these greek warriors would enter battle nude, in nothing but helmet and shield, bodies soaked in olive oil.


Ho Chi Minh - Vietnam
Spoiler :
"He Who Enlightens"
The George Washington of Vietnam
Apostasy: His father was a confucian scholar, so discipline and respect for ancestral traditions are the basis of his faith. Confucianism itself has an inherent atheistic aspect, as it does not create deities, and Minh's Marxists beliefs prevented any established church.
Rationalism: For Minh's reasonable, enlightened approach to politics, faith and progress.


Songsten Gampo - Tibet ** changes made **
Spoiler :
The Great King Songsten Hampo
From 629-649 Tibet became a great military power, with its armies marching across central asia. (Your thinking, "what? Tibet? no." But, yes, yes indeed)
He had two wives, one Nepalese and the other Chinese, they were both known in Tibetan religious history for their services to Buddhism.

Proselytism For Songsten's two wives contribution to Buddhism.

Purity - These mountaintop buddhists were guided by spiritual clarity to march clear across Asia.




*Lobsang Gyatso ** changes made **
Spoiler :

The 5th Dalai Lama, "The Great Fifth"

Occultism For his unique approach to solving real world problems, including nation wide coordinated tantric rituals. These rituals were aimed to address both political intrigue, as well as disease.

Pilgrimage The 5th Dalai Lama traveled beyond Tibet, his influence spread far, influencing both Mongol and Manchu kings.
He began the construction of the Red Palace, a site that would inpsire many Tibetan Monks to pilgrimage.

Scripture For his prolific holy writings.

Ceremony For his attempts to use ceremonial tantric practice to solve his nations myriad problems.

The Fifth Dalai Lama was a great scholar, well versed in Sanskrit. He wrote many books, including one on poetry. He also established two educational institutions, one for lay officials and another for monk officials, where they were taught Mongolian, Sanskrit, astrology, poetry, and administration. He was a man of few words, but what he said carried conviction and influenced rulers beyond the borders of Tibet. In 1682, at the age of sixty-five he died before completing the construction of the Potala Palace, however, not before entrusting the responsibility of the construction to Sangya Gyatso, the new Desi with the advice to keep his death secret for the time being.

-From the official website of the Office of His Holiness The Dalai Lama :)


Gyatso is credited with unifying central Tibet after a protracted era of civil wars. As an independent head of state, he established diplomatic relations with China and also met with early European explorers. Gyatso – who wrote 24 volumes' worth of scholarly and religious works on a wide range of subjects – was the first Dalai Lama to wield effective temporal power over all of central Tibet, and is very frequently referred to simply as the Great Fifth.

Confronted with the death of both people and cattle combined with harsh, unpredictable weather in an atmosphere of political intrigue and diplomatic insecurity, Gyatso undertook a specific course of action which might be considered somewhat unconventional, even for a religiously affiliated head of state.

At the end of the earth-bird year of 1669 (CE), a special crypt was constructed, and offerings placed within it in hopes that it might serve as a home in which the disturbed spirit of Drakpa Gyaltsen – an iconoclastic tulku and rival scholar who had died under mysterious circumstances at a time of considerable political turmoil – might finally settle. Reportedly, though, the evil spirit's harmful activities only intensified, manifesting (in part) as atmospheric disturbances including hailstorms, but also causing both people and cattle to fall prey to disease. The deaths of some monks were attributed to the spirit as well – which was named "Dolgyal" by combining gyalpo with the ghost's place of residence. It was only later that Dolgyal would come to be identified with Dorje Shugden through conflation with a much older Sakya protector of the same name associated with the remote Nepali village of Tsap.

Modest but extensive offerings to monks of wheat and tea along with small amounts of gold reportedly resulted in sutra recitations numbering in the tens of thousands. Combined with the performance of many far more complex tantric rituals, the coördinated efforts reached eleven separate district capitals, and spread through no fewer than seventy monasteries including Dorje Drag, Sera, and Drepung. The entire cycle was concluded with an elaborate fire puja offering in which the "perfidious spirit" was ritually burnt by seven different groups of practitoners. - from wikipedia :(



Churchill - England
Spoiler :
Salvation - For England's defense against the Huns.
Duty - Defended England for King & Country. "God Save The King".


Nasser - Arabia
Spoiler :
Gamal Abdel-Nasser, The father of Pan-Arab Nationalism.
Nasser used religion as a tool to mobilize domestic and regional support for his Arab socialist agenda & foreign policy.

Salvation - For his defense of Egypt from Israel, Great Britain and France.
Justice - For his use of the Muslim faith to preserve stability, and garner polticial support.


Istavan - Hungary
Spoiler :
Stephen I, Saint Stephen, Szent Istvan, at one time no simply as Vajk.
Born a pagan was baptizedand reared as a Christian. His coronation was by Pope Sylvester II on Christmas Day 1000 B.C.E.
Stephen's reign was a peaceful one, with the exception of an invasion by HRE Conrad II, and some minor border disputes.

Prosperity: During his reign he founded bishoprics and abbeys, had a mandatory requirement for the construction of churches and established the practice of tithing.


Viriato - Portugal
Spoiler :
An important leader of the Lusitanian people who resisted the Roman empire.

Hedonism - For his pursuit of war against the "civilized" Romans. It is thought he did not pursue war for wealth but rather for glory.

Fertility - Due to the abundance of man and beast in the fertile Iberian peninsula.

"Livy described him as a shepherd who became a hunter, then a soldier, thus following the path of most young warriors, the iuventus, who devoted themselves to cattle raiding, hunting and war"


Boudicca - Celts
Spoiler :
Boadicea, Queen of the Iceni

Preservation - The druids connection to nature allowed for a strong healthy people to rise in a difficult climate.
Superstition - A superstitious people, guided by Druidic observations of the natural world.
Insularity - Unlikely to adopt the religious beliefs of outsiders.
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Thanks so much for your suggestions so far, they're really helpful.

**note should there be a tenant that encourages intolerance?

I had one for a while, but I scrapped it. Just wasn't working. I still haven't finalized Forbearance or Syncretism though, so there's a chance I may reshuffle things in that category a bit, and it might return.

Guessing this is Jayavarman II or VII

It's Jayavarman VII.

Not sure which Hattsuili this is:

Hattusili I.

Lobsang Gyatso

Born in 1928, he became a monk at age 11.
in 1973 founded the Institute of Buddhist Dialectics in Dharamsala and in 1991 the College for Higher Tibetan Studies in Sarah, two non-profit educational institutions

He's actually the Great 5th Dalai Lama from the 1600s.
 
Hey Xyth, thanks for the clarification. I'm glad you found that helpful, worried it was a bit excessive, summertime and things are slow, so I figured I would take a stab at it.

One of the traits among religious leaders I found is that either they built many religious schools (Saladin, Abbas, Seondeok) or they built many religious ceremonial sites/churches (Istvan, Ramsses) others used religion to consolidate/maintain political power (Nasser, Cetshwayo)

Salvation
Maybe to accurately represent leaders like Istvan, Abbas, Saladin, Seondeok, there could be a mid-era tenant that allows for a bonus to construct religious sites. Like salvation for example, could give a bonus to constructing religious buildings. Unless you feel that is covered more in civics than a religious tenant (i.e +25% construction in cities with state religion, civic trait)

Pilgrimage
Instead of two features both focused on commerce. Perhaps one of these could be changed to increase faith, like +1 faith per trade route. Instead of +1 trade route per state monastery. Because nations with holy sites that attract pilgrims also tend to be states that hold a great deal of influence over other followers of their faith, both at home and abroad.


Justice
Maybe instead of "Justice" we could have a tenant that reflects political islam, pan arab nationalism, the catholic faith's influence in politics, modern evangelism's influence.

In fact it could pretty much just remain the same, I guess I am just saying it should have a different name. Like "Ideology" or "Political Religion" or "Civil Religion": which is a socially unifying and essentially conservative force, where a political religion is radically transformational, even apocalyptic.
 
Some criticism of The Athenian's lists:

While I know you were explicitly told to ignore the first category of tenets as most of them are fixed I think one of them, Humanism, should be considered (unless there is a technical reason it can't). Would be my first choice for Atatürk for instance.

You seem to use some of the tenets to stand in for completely temporal attitudes that has nothing to do with religion. Take DeGaulle for example. Insularity makes no sense for him. He wasn't about cutting religious ties with the rest of the world or resisting foreign religious influence. Gaullism was about French political self-sufficiency. If he has to have a tenet, Duty would probably be a better choice.

I see you suggesting things like Scripture to some leaders who championed the use of the written word like Djoser, which I think is the wrong interpretation of that particular tenet. Scripture is about finding truth and authority primarily within the holy scriptures of the faith. Not something that made sense in any of the old polytheistic faiths.
Scripture would be an excellent choice for an early championer of Protestantism for example, as the supremacy of scripture as opposed to religious institutions is a hallmark of the the faith.

And, no we do not need a special tenet to represent "Political Islam". Several tenets do the job well enough (Order or Justice for 20'th century political Islam, Salvation and Fundamentalism for 21'st century).
 
I actually think Little Faith has made some excellent points. I'll do my best to defend the choices I made, but I don't disagree with Little Faith's arguments.

You seem to use some of the tenets to stand in for completely temporal attitudes that has nothing to do with religion. Take DeGaulle for example. Insularity makes no sense for him. He wasn't about cutting religious ties with the rest of the world or resisting foreign religious influence. Gaullism was about French political self-sufficiency. If he has to have a tenet, Duty would probably be a better choice.

First what we see in both history and in Xyth's tenants is that religion is intertwined with temporal attitudes toward culture, production, science and politics. It is quite difficult to separate them.

The result means that these tenants don't just reflect a civilization's faith, but will have fundamental impacts on foreign policy, their economy and so on. So do we choose a preferred tenant based simply on how that civilization or leader practiced religion, so all Christian & Muslim leaders prefer "prayer" for example?

Or do we look at how a specific tenant will effect a civilization, and choose a preferred tenant that will LEAD to the most historically accurate behavior.

DeGaulle
DeGaulle was a bit more of a stretch. In his case we need to ask, if Charles De Gaulle was the head of the church in France how would he have behaved? We know he was a fierce nationalist, and if it was up to him I think he would not have wanted Rome determining how Frenchmen worship Christ. Hence, the insular trait.

Also if we look at the actual impact of the "Insular" tenant we see that it says that not only are they protected from foreign reformations but also "No unhappiness from defying Apostolic Palace or United Nations resolutions". The inclusion of the "United Nations" (which may be hard coded in and impossible to separate from the Apostolic Palace) means that this trait has a political dimension, it not only impacts faith but also a nations foreign policy in the modern era.

Taking that into account, Charles DeGaulle's attitude was to wish to see France be more independent from the worlds new great powers at the end of WWII, (i.e. Great Britain and America). So in this case, instead of solely asking "Does the insular, or any other tenant reflect DeGaulle's attitude toward the church?", I asked instead how would the insular quality or any other tenant affect DeGaulle's behavior as a leader. My conclusion was that that insular quality more than other would result in a foreign policy decidedly reflective of DeGaulle's attitude, style and beliefs as a leader.

Edit: Also, historically the Catholic Church in France was very independent from the Roman Catholic Church, (it might be that maybe this Insularity trait is more suitable to an earlier French leader, perhaps Napoleon, though I would think perhaps Honor for him. Richelieu, is also a candidate for insularity, for his main goal was the centralization of French power, and at times even stood against the Pope to achieve his political goals. However, I think the best combination of France's resistance to Roman Catholic influence and modern resistance to the Allies post-war influence is Insularity and DeGaulle).

I see you suggesting things like Scripture to some leaders who championed the use of the written word like Djoser, which I think is the wrong interpretation of that particular tenet. Scripture is about finding truth and authority primarily within the holy scriptures of the faith. Not something that made sense in any of the old polytheistic faiths.
Scripture would be an excellent choice for an early championer of Protestantism for example, as the supremacy of scripture as opposed to religious institutions is a hallmark of the the faith.

In all cases I tried to find specific historical examples for how a leader behaved towards religion. In some cases there were clear behaviors, in other cases there were not. In either case I tended to suggest a preferred tenant that reflected the result of a leaders policy, not the tenant that best described his policy.

For example, King Knut of Scandinavia, I choose Syncretism. Now, whether he actually practiced Syncretism, well that is debatable. His people had a pantheon of gods, myths, and practices before Christianity arrived, and leaders like him certainly had to incorporate the old myths into the new faith. However, saying he was syncretic would be a stretch. I choose it as his preferred faith because the impact of the syncretism tenant is to improve relations with others of the faith, no matter how they choose to practice it. This impact certainly will lead to situations in game where King Knut's favored position amongst leaders of the same faith is an accurate reflection of history.


And, no we do not need a special tenet to represent "Political Islam". Several tenets do the job well enough (Order or Justice for 20'th century political Islam, Salvation and Fundamentalism for 21'st century).

This is just a simple case of misreading what I wrote (and what I wrote was certainly confusing)
I do not think we need a special tenant to reflect "political islam". I was just suggesting that "Justice" was the wrong word to describe that tenant.

To clarify that point on justice, I don't know what that means "justice" in regard to a Church's moral relationship to it's government or it's people in the modern era. Does it mean the Church has a just set of morality principles? Does it mean the church has moral influence over the legal system? By looking at the tenants impact on a society, as well as the fact that it would be a Late/modern era tenant, points to the argument that this tenant is really more about what happens when politics and morality of faith begin to mix in the modern era.

This is a tenant that increases your espionage at home and abroad due to the presence of great temples, it also quells your people's discontent. So in essence a leader is using faith to increase his people's loyalty to the current political system. To me this sounds more like the use of islam as a political tool, such as under Nasser, rather than an example of a church that believes in "Justice". So because of that I was simply suggesting a new name that might be more reflective of the impact of the tenant. For example the new name could simply be "Political", where morality, what is right and wrong, is determined by the political needs of the state.

(Edit: This more negative interpretation of this tenant means that perhaps when implemented it should cause those who are not followers of the state religion to be a little uneasy and discontent, [not dissenters, just your average unhappy citizen, +1 unhappiness per non-state religion] a problem that can only be solved with Pluralism.)

Having said all this, Xyth has announced the new version may be out within a week. I hope my suggestions relieved some of his work, because researching the attitudes toward religion of 154 world leaders is exhausting. I also hope this isn't the end of this debate, this discussion can continue as we play the new version, and think of possible revisions.
 
I've been thinking about the Forbearance and Syncretism tenants, and have a couple suggestions.

Forbearance

• -50% negative attitude from religious differences
• +1 Happiness in all cities

With forbearance comes moderation and tolerance, thus perhaps some increased happiness on the homefront.

Edit: Maybe that is too powerful of a trait, available too soon. This could make things interesting: +1 happiness in cities with multiple religions (if that makes sense, a more disciplined and tolerant church isn't throwing anyone to the lions, so everyone feels a little more at ease).

From a gameplay perspective it means, in antiquity, Forbearance allows you to be more welcoming to various religions popping up in your cities, for that little happiness bonus, but suddenly as your empire grows it becomes a hinderance, because dissent continues to rise. Perhaps, in the medieval era, it is time for you to establish a stronger church…


Syncretism
• +50% positive attitude from religious similarities
• -50% (or -25%) Anarchy Length during religious reformations

Definition: "the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought."

So it would make sense that a syncretic leader could more easily and swiftly allow their religious dogma to evolve. (If it's even possible to reduce or eliminate anarchy during religious reformations, without effecting anarchy length for civics)

Prayer
• -3 Attitude toward non-believers
• -50% Great Scientist emergence

We had some discussion of whether or not to have a tenant for intolerance. Perhaps, we could give some of the medieval and renaissance christian leaders Prayer as a favorite tenant, with a dash of intolerance, might result in historically accurate behavior toward non-believers.
 
Forbearance

• -50% negative attitude from religious differences
• +1 Happiness in all cities

With forbearance comes moderation and tolerance, thus perhaps some increased happiness on the homefront.

The Theocracy civic and Salvation tenet already provide happiness, so I'd prefer to not use happiness again.

Syncretism
• +50% positive attitude from religious similarities
• -50% (or -25%) Anarchy Length during religious reformations

Definition: "the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought."

So it would make sense that a syncretic leader could more easily and swiftly allow their religious dogma to evolve. (If it's even possible to reduce or eliminate anarchy during religious reformations, without effecting anarchy length for civics)

Anarchy reduction was my original idea for Syncretism, but I couldn't get it to work. However, I've since recoded things so it would be possible after all. Currently in the development version (here, if you've not seen it already), Syncretism's second bonus is '+25% chance to influence Rival Civilizations during Reformations'. I think I'll give that to Forbearance instead.

We had some discussion of whether or not to have a tenant for intolerance. Perhaps, we could give some of the medieval and renaissance christian leaders Prayer as a favorite tenant, with a dash of intolerance, might result in historically accurate behavior toward non-believers.

I've made a couple changes towards this goal. Firstly, in the development version Fundamentalism has been renamed 'Persecution'. I think this suits the theme of the category better and will be more versatile when choosing leader favourites.

Secondly, Justice is going to be renamed 'Judgement'. Effects won't change, but this is closer to my intentions for the tenet and, again, more versatile when choosing leader favourites.
 
Hi Xyth,

how does it works the leader favourite tenets and civics mechanic? A leader will choose his favourite tenet/civic even if there are better options available?

The same question for the religion, how the decision of adopt religion is taken by the AI?

Thanks!
 
how does it works the leader favourite tenets and civics mechanic? A leader will choose his favourite tenet/civic even if there are better options available?

An AI's favourite civic/tenet is given extra 'weighting', meaning that it'll appear more valuable to them than it actually is. They won't select them if they evaluate a different option to be more valuable for their current situation.

The same question for the religion, how the decision of adopt religion is taken by the AI?

If their favourite religion is available they will found that. If not, they'll randomly choose another one that's available. I want to add a 'related religions' system so that if, for example, Taoism is their favourite religion but it's already been founded, they're more likely to choose Confucianism/Buddhism/Shinto than something further afield. I have a similar system for selection of breakaway civilizations in civil wars, so I can adapt that. On my todo list.
 
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