Help with PA

[Loge]

How do you get the AI to make a PA with you? In my latest game I tried to get a PA with Hannibal. I signed DP, had communism, lots of + diplo modifiers, no - diplo modifiers--and I never got the option to appear for the whole game. What am I doing wrong?

 

[ori]

Hi and Welcome
PA is only available if you activate that option in the Custom Game Menu - Play Now will not give you that option...

 

[Michelangelo]

IIRC you need a certain amount of turns in a defensive pact, before you can access it. I think it was about 50 turns or so.

 

[cabert]

50 turns

I've got another question :
does your ally's land and pop add to yours towards domination or not?

 

[ori]

You and your PA partner form a team - so everything is shared (i.e. all victory types including Domination are achieved together). The shorter answer is Yes
I believe that the time you have to share a DP is much shorter than 50 turns (but it might depend on speed). Anyway sharing one or a couple wars for some time does the trick as well...

 

[cabert]

You and your PA partner form a team - so everything is shared (i.e. all victory types including Domination are achieved together). The shorter answer is Yes
I believe that the time you have to share a DP is much shorter than 50 turns (but it might depend on speed). Anyway sharing one or a couple wars for some time does the trick as well...

What about UN votes?
Are those shared too?

 

[ori]

What about UN votes?
Are those shared too?

Yes they are, infact you will be the one voted for even if your PA partner has more population... Note though that you have no way to influence your partners vote on the other resolutions, so he might vote for civics you don't want him to...

 

[Michelangelo]

50 turns

I could be mistaking , as you're right, 50 turns is quite long. Have to look it up to be sure. There are also a couple of leaders that don't agree ever. Alexander, Napoleon, nor Tokugawa seem to never do it. (Found it in another thread)

Maybe hannibal has the same modifiers.

 

[ori]

I could be mistaking , as you're right, 50 turns is quite long. Have to look it up to be sure. There are also a couple of leaders that don't agree ever. Alexander, Napoleon, nor Tokugawa seem to never do it. (Found it in another thread)

Maybe hannibal has the same modifiers.

Only Alex, Napoleon and Toku will not make a PA ever - Their refuse threshold in LeadersAI.xml is set to friendly, so you cannot get better than that
I looked for the time it takes and CvTeamAI.cpp says this:

if ((AI_getDefensivePactCounter(eTeam) + AI_getShareWarCounter(eTeam)) < 40)
    {
        return DENIAL_NOT_ALLIED;
    }

so you have to have shared a DP and/or war for atleast 40 turns

 

[Loge]

Thanks fellers!