Heroin

Håkan Eriksson

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Heroin chewed my best friend up and spit him out. Heroin has taken over the little cafe where I've been going. There was a young man nodding off in a booth and he almost burned the place down with a cigarette. Heroin is everywhere and it is evil. There was a group of people snickering at him and telling him to get lost. There is nothing funny about watching somebody DIE. It is all too sad and depressing. I wanted to help him but he'd just tell me to f*** off and mind my own business. Now I can't even visit my favorite cafe. Unless I want to make myself cry.
 
Heroin is not evil Im afraid: it is the stupidity of people that use it that makes it so mad, not it initself.

Incidentally I think all drugs should be legalised despite this
 
Originally posted by Graeme the mad
Heroin is not evil Im afraid: it is the stupidity of people that use it that makes it so mad, not it initself.

Incidentally I think all drugs should be legalised despite this

YOU ****ING STUPID IDIOT! Have you ever seen a friend rutten away becouse of ****ing drugs? You people that belives in legalised drugs have no clue of waths going on in a person when they take drugs.

You say "all drugs should be legalised", yeah I think so to! Wath a grate way of getting people to destroy them self in missery and addiction.

**** YOU! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS WORK!
 
Don't you have drug rehab centers to send your friend to? In Msia and Spore, it's a very serious penalty to be involved with drugs. Drug carriers are hanged by default or life imprisonment if you're carrying less than the stat amt. Drug addicts are sent to drug rehab centers and forcibly 'cured' of their addiction. Draconian laws but necessary I think to keep the evil of drugs off the streets. Still, common to hear about drugs in the local news.
Unfortunately there's a significant social stigma attached to being an ex-drug addict so the fellow's future is gone the moment he started on drugs. Sad.
 
Hakan!!! Relax man!!! I don't think Graeme meant it that way, I hope he didn't... Some country, I think England? Stormerne could tell us if I'm right, but some country had legalized heroin, but they have needle programs so if you use, you at least use clean needles, and also methadone programs where you use methadone, not the heroin... I think if drugs were legalized, governments could tax the crap out of them and get rich, and I have to agree to a certain extent about drugs being evil or not. Yes they are, but people need to know it is not a lifelong hobby or something. You do it and it screws you up. Your friend knows this, probably knew it before he got into this crap. Yah, the drugs are evil, but people should know better. I got into different drugs, but I got out too. Came a point where I realized enough was enough. I mean, I hate to say it, but heroin is not cool. People who use it will be gone eventually. They either realize it and get help, or they don't.
 
The Taliban in Afghanistan has dominated the European heroin supply for the past decade. Prices will likely be goin up even more shortly.
 
Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson


YOU ****ING STUPID IDIOT! Have you ever seen a friend rutten away becouse of ****ing drugs? You people that belives in legalised drugs have no clue of waths going on in a person when they take drugs.

You say "all drugs should be legalised", yeah I think so to! Wath a grate way of getting people to destroy them self in missery and addiction.

**** YOU! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS WORK!

chill bro, grahem is entitled to his opinion.
 
Personally I think drugs should be legalized also, because the prizes would drop rock bottom and so people dont earn the money like they do now. So it would not be so lucrative to sell drugs and maby "I hope so" maby it would go away.
And another thing not the drugs user is the criminal but the seller, the one who earns money over the backs of the users.

Because doing drugs isnt cool, the drugs will win from the user everytime and at the end you will die. I have seen this with two off my friends already.
 
floppa heroin is not legal in Britain, although we do have a methadone program to try and wean users off the drug, but this just means that they can sell the methadone and buy more heroin. Apart from a massive influx of stupid people, I wonder whether the decriminalisation of marijuana in Amsterdam has had a positive or negative effect on the city and its people. Perhaps one of the Dutch fanatics can advise: willem?
 
We'll I used alot of soft-drugs in my years, and some heavier stuff later on. But I quit using this stuff when I saw a couple of my friends going the wrong way. It shook me up a lot, so see somebody going down the drain so fast. But I also know a lot of guys who smoke still a lot of hasj or weed and they are doing this for say 10 years and they dont do the heavy ****. Because they know thats going over the edge.
And I think using hasj or weed isnt that bad, its the same like taking a beer or heavy liquir. You just have to know when to stop. I personally think I stopped just at time, because of a bad trip I got, when using Lsd.
 
Originally posted by VanOranje
Personally I think drugs should be legalized also, because the prizes would drop rock bottom and so people dont earn the money like they do now. So it would not be so lucrative to sell drugs and maby "I hope so" maby it would go away.
And another thing not the drugs user is the criminal but the seller, the one who earns money over the backs of the users.

Because doing drugs isnt cool, the drugs will win from the user everytime and at the end you will die. I have seen this with two off my friends already.

Well, wath kind of idiot aren't you. "Let's get drugs legalized so that everyone can buy them. That way people won't buy it any more". HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET?!?!

If drugs were legalized every one would start to have their own litle private farm so that they could get high and die.
 
Originally posted by scorch


chill bro, grahem is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah, and I have the right to call you stupid becouse of your opinion.

I'm just so sick of people who don't know how things work have their own very good opinion that they throw in the face of us that has been there.
 
Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
The Taliban in Afghanistan has dominated the European heroin supply for the past decade. Prices will likely be goin up even more shortly.

And your point is......?
 
Ok you have the sollution than??????? No I think not.

Here in the Netherlands we have the lowest drug adict count in whole of europe (except for sweden), and we have made the drug use legal (soft) and a higher tolerance for (hard drugs) users.
So arnt WE on the right track ??????

Iam not saying that using drugs is ok, but when your young you do experiance with all kind of stuff. Sex, alcholhol, drugs because their illegal.
 
Originally posted by VanOranje
Ok you have the sollution than??????? No I think not.

Here in the Netherlands we have the lowest drug adict count in whole of europe (except for sweden), and we have made the drug use legal (soft) and a higher tolerance for (hard drugs) users.
So arnt WE on the right track ??????

Iam not saying that using drugs is ok, but when your young you do experiance with all kind of stuff. Sex, alcholhol, drugs because their illegal.

NO YOU ARE NOT ON THE RIGHT TRACK!

Drugs are bad so the goverment shouldn't support the drug seling. You say that Sweden has less drug adict count. So aren't we on the right track with our opinion that drugs are bad?

DRUGS KILL PEOPLE, GET THAT!
 
Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson

And your point is......?

The information presented leads to the conclusion that heroin will be harder to get, and thus a little easier to fight.
 
You have my sympathies, Hakan. I too have seen people I care about destroy themselves with drugs, and I have seen how much it destroys communities. It is inherently evil, like all drugs which destroy people.
I don't really have any hugely relevant advice to give on how to help people who will not help themselves, except that sometimes, only dramatic action works (in one case in my experience, I rounded up a couple of my lads, got my mate away from destructive influences up to the country, and had "words" with his ex supplier that in no uncertain terms it would be better for him to disappear, if you get my drift. That worked on one occasion, but it won't on many others.)

Simply legalising everything is no answer. People would still take them, and these drugs destroy people. Utterly. Just changing who they buy it from will not alter its addictive nature, nor their want to take it. It may alter its purity, or give people a nice clean facility to whack up in, but it does not change the fact they are doing so, nor solve the problem. Crime and gangsterism did not disappear when Prohibition was repealed; it moved into newer and more destructive substances. The drug trade will not cease; it will find something new, and always stay one step ahead. Appeasement and giving up is not the option.

I do not have the time at the moment to fully go into my thoughts and proposals for this matter, but suffice it to say I am against drugs. They destroy people, making individuals and societies weaker
 
HEY HAKAN - I do not take drugs and regard all those who do take drugs as idiots okay - ive seen enough people in trouble with drugs to know about them - okay!

It is you who doesnt know how stuff works: very few people willt start using drugs because they are legal: everyone who wants drugs is getting them now: they are paying money to criminals to do so.

DO YOU LIKE THIS - NO
It would be far far better if they were paying money to the government
If drugs were legalised LESS people would die from them you stupid ****er
MOST DEATHS FROM HEROIN OCCUR BECAUSE IT IS MIXED WITH SOMETHING: if it weree given to governments to deal with this would not happen.

Anyway i have more reasons:

read this thread for them

I think were on the same side, i just believe you havent thought about what legalisation means but have had a newjerk reaction to what I said
 
There is nothing funny about watching somebody DIE. It is all too sad and depressing. I wanted to help him but he'd just tell me to f*** off and mind my own business. Now I can't even visit my favorite cafe.
I've personally seen two people die of drugs... both were in Frankfurt Germany, in "needles park", that north-south strand east of the main bahnhof. Each incident happened a year apart, and it was not pretty to see someone convulsing and jerking to death, twitching on the ground. Both cases were attended very rapidly by the ever-present body cleanup squad (the German ambulance & police that often just wait in the park for the next death).

I didn't know either of the people.... but it was a waste nevertheless. Such drugs and the growers/distributers/kingpins should be stomped out with fanaticism.

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Originally posted by Graeme the mad
HEY HAKAN - I do not take drugs and regard all those who do take drugs as idiots okay - ive seen enough people in trouble with drugs to know about them - okay!

It is you who doesnt know how stuff works: very few people willt start using drugs because they are legal: everyone who wants drugs is getting them now: they are paying money to criminals to do so.

DO YOU LIKE THIS - NO
It would be far far better if they were paying money to the government
If drugs were legalised LESS people would die from them you stupid ****er
MOST DEATHS FROM HEROIN OCCUR BECAUSE IT IS MIXED WITH SOMETHING: if it weree given to governments to deal with this would not happen.

Anyway i have more reasons:

read this thread for them

I think were on the same side, i just believe you havent thought about what legalisation means but have had a newjerk reaction to what I said



But you don't get it! If drugs were legalized that would mean that the goverment thinks it's OK to take drugs!!! The goverment would say that it's ok for people to become addicts and maybe die. THE GOVERMENT SHOULDN'T SAY: IT'S OK TO BUY DRUGS, SO THAT YOU BECOME AN ADDICT AND SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO BUY DRUGS UNTILL YOU DIE OF AN OVERDOSE!

MOST DEATHS FROM HEROIN DO NOT OCCUR BECAUSE IT IS MIXED WITH SOMETHING.

MOST DEATHS OCCUR because heroin abusers do not know the actual strength of the drug they are at risk of overdose or death.


One of the most detrimental long-term effects of heroin is addiction itself. Addiction is a chronic, relapsing disease, characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, and by neurochemical and molecular changes in the brain. Heroin also produces profound degrees of tolerance and physical dependence, which are also powerful motivating factors for compulsive use and abuse. As with abusers of any addictive drug, heroin abusers gradually spend more and more time and energy obtaining and using the drug. Once they are addicted, the heroin abusers' primary purpose in life becomes seeking and using drugs. The drugs literally change their brains.

Heroin can cause feelings of depression, which may last for weeks. Attempts to stop using heroin can fail simply because the withdrawl can be overwhelming, causing the addict to use more heroin in an attempt to overcome these symptoms. This overpowering addiction can cause the the addict to do anything to get heroin.
 
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