Hide under your desks, North Korea readies missiles

[tomsnowman123]

Then what's the alternative, an all-out war?

No. Who's to say a war would have taken place without nukes? Who's to say negotiating would not have won out? It's futile to try to predict what would have happened. I look to the future, and what's going on now. I am against nuclear weapons, that's just my view.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

If N Korea was ever dumb enough to hit america ( or seoul for that matter) the red half of the peninsula becomes rather green and irridecent i think. cancerous, too

 

[boarder]

So they can build a missile like this and yet they can't even feed there own people I guess it shows where Kim the Great Nutter's priorities lye.
I believe that North Korea has about 10 000 artillery pieces in range of Seoul and could destroy the city completely in half a hour. I guess thats one of the reasons why America hasn't bombed there nuclear facilities a few years ago when they where considering it.
I also guess that the problem for the American administration now is North Korea selling a missile like this to Iran which reveresed enginered other North korean missiles to produce there Shoaib's and various other missiles.

Isnt it amazing the difference between North and South Korea, basically the same country, and how far apart they are in all aspects due to there governance.
No wonder so many are trying to escape.

 

[Winner]

So they can build a missile like this and yet they can't even feed there own people I guess it shows where Kim the Great Nutter's priorities lye.
I believe that North Korea has about 10 000 artillery pieces in range of Seoul and could destroy the city completely in half a hour. I guess thats one of the reasons why America hasn't bombed there nuclear facilities a few years ago when they where considering it.

I don't believe that. North Korean army may be strong in numbers, but it is a paper tiger. I think Iran has in fact much stronger military.

I also guess that the problem for the American administration now is North Korea selling a missile like this to Iran which reveresed enginered other North korean missiles to produce there Shoaib's and various other missiles.

Isnt it amazing the difference between North and South Korea, basically the same country, and how far apart they are in all aspects due to there governance.
No wonder so many are trying to escape.

One bomb should be able to wipe out the high leadership including Kim Butcher-Il during some of their parades in Pyongyang. Everybody knows that. The problem is that China is very happy to have a buffer state on its border to shield it from US influence.

 

[Hotpoint]

I don't believe that. North Korean army may be strong in numbers, but it is a paper tiger. I think Iran has in fact much stronger military.

One advantage North Korea does have is that the country is apparently riddled with bunkers which would make US Airpower rather less effective than it was against Iraq for example (or Iran for that matter which hasn't spent over half a century digging in).

North Korea began to build fortifications in 1960s. All key military facilities are built underground to withstand American bunker-buster bombs. North Korea has 8,236 underground facilities that are linked by 547 km of tunnels. Beneath Pyongyang are a huge underground stadium and other facilities. About 1.2 million tons of food, 1.46 million tons of fuel, and 1.67 million tons of ammunition are stored in underground storage areas for wartime use.

Most of the underground facilities are drilled into granite rocks and the entrances face north in order to avoid direct hits by American bombs and missiles. The B-61 Mod 11 is the main bunker buster in the US arsenal. A recent test showed that this buster could penetrate only 6 meters of rock. The latest GBU-28 laser-guided bunker-buster can penetrate to 30m. North Korean bunkers have at least 80 m of top-cover of solid rocks. North Korea has many false caves that emit heats that will misdirect unwary GBU-28/37 and BKU-113 bunker-busters.

http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1361.html

 

[Winner]

One advantage North Korea does have is that the country is apparently riddled with bunkers which would make US Airpower rather less effective than it was against Iraq for example (or Iran for that matter which hasn't spent over half a century digging in).

http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1361.html

That's true, but I believe that without the top leadership, the North Korea would collapse in a matter of days. All you need is to invade it only with South Korean soldiers, who won't scare the population*

/* North Koreans are taught that Americans (all tall, white blondes with blue eyes) are inherently evil rapists, child-eaters and killing monsters. North Korean children are being scared by pictures of evil Americans killing their mothers etc.

 

[7ronin]

I'm sorry but too many people are under the assumption that events will unfold in a logical manner by men in control who are reasonable. The matter of reality is, it's going to be unpredictable.

The nuclear balance between the United States and the Soviet Union worked because both countries were rational players who were not about to risk "mutually assured destruction."

The rulers of North Korea are not rational players. They are paranoid and they are the most isolated nation on earth. They have virtually no knowledge or reasonable interaction with the outside world. There is no telling what they will do. It is indeed going to be "unpredictable."

 

[boarder]

I don't believe that. North Korean army may be strong in numbers, but it is a paper tiger. I think Iran has in fact much stronger military.

Believe what you like,heres a quote from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-5027.htm
"North Korea fields an artillery force of over 12,000 self-propelled and towed weapon systems. Without moving any artillery pieces, the North could sustain up to 500,000 rounds an hour against Combined Forces Command defenses for several hours"
or from http://www.bu.edu/globalbeat/pubs/ib42.html
"could trigger off the 10,000 North Korean artillery pieces near the border with South Korea and many within range of Seoul"
If America attacked im afraid Seoul would be wiped out within half a hour seems the general consesus.
I didnt say Iran had a smaller military, or that North Korea had a strong military, simply that Seoul has 10 000 artillery aimed and loaded at it.
I read a quote from Bill Clinton saying, back a few years now "we cant just bomb them, they'll wipe out Seoul".

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

its rather unfortunate that such a civilian target it in the middle of this, but it goes to show what a coward Kim is. I wonder, what if N Korea was to attack the South? Would the world sit on its butt then and yell at the Americans to get the job done? or would they come over and help?

ON the note of allowing the South to occupy the North, that may be a very good idea. The entire population is taught from birth (this is 'brainwashing' without a doubt) that Americans are evil chirstians who will come and rape little boys etc etc, so the ENTIRE populace hates us, its not like in other countries where you would fight the military or the government, America is forced to literally engage all of N Korea. I wish it were different, but I fear that, if we were to go to war with the North, that many, many civilans would die, simply because they are so ingarained with hatred of the US that an impass would result

Edit: NOTE: I DO NOT CONDONE THIS, but it seems likely to happen, and, unfotunately, it may be necisarry. glad i dont have to make that decision though

 

[boarder]

its rather unfortunate that such a civilian target it in the middle of this, but it goes to show what a coward Kim is. I wonder, what if N Korea was to attack the South? Would the world sit on its butt then and yell at the Americans to get the job done? or would they come over and help?

I personally think most of the world would do nothing and America would be left to fight it with South Korea and maybe Japan joining in.
What would China do nowadays in this situation is the big question in my mind.

ON the note of allowing the South to occupy the North, that may be a very good idea.

I think this is a excellant idea, and would help keep casualties to a minimum.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Thats too bad, i would hope that such demands as this ( especially if somehow China were to come in on the N Korean side, even though they hate the North as much as we do for swingin the big gun around) that we would be able to put aside the petty arguments and get stuff done. I mean, the main thing that held us (Europe, the US, and the First World) together in the Cold War was a common enemy, now that we dont have that anymore, the old alliances have all but broken. However, they/we dont realize that the enemy in the future will be China, if we could unite again into a Grand Alliance, we can get some stuff done and forge a new relationship with the US and Europe. Personally, I hate it when the two argue, because there is so much potential there, and it just goes to waste.

 

[CaptainF]

Kim Jong-Il would have to be a crackhead to think shooting a missile at the US would solve any of his problems.