History Rewritten Beta Test

[Lord of Elves]

Name: England
Goverment: Absulote Monarchy
Tax Rate: High Taxes.
Color: Red

A unified England wouldn't come until Alfred the Great in the AD 800's. The Papal States was not a democracy, it was an autocratic oligarchy ruled by a council and a demagogic absolutist leader known as the Pope or Bishop of Rome.

Here's a little help:
1. There were no democracies in the feudal period
2. England was divided into the separate kingdoms of
Wessex (London area and parts of Cornwall
Mercia (North-west of London)
Northumbria (North-east of London and into southern Scotland), also known as the Danelaw during periods of occupation by the Vikings and the Kingdom of Denmark
Kent (South-east of London, peninsula in the south-eastern coast of England)
Essex (Eastern London and small part of the eastern coast of England)

 

[Darth Caesar]

A unified England wouldn't come until Alfred the Great in the AD 800's. The Papal States was not a democracy, it was an autocratic oligarchy ruled by a council and a demagogic absolutist leader known as the Pope or Bishop of Rome.

Here's a little help:
1. There were no democracies in the feudal period
2. England was divided into the separate kingdoms of
Wessex (London area and parts of Cornwall
Mercia (North-west of London)
Northumbria (North-east of London and into southern Scotland), also known as the Danelaw during periods of occupation by the Vikings and the Kingdom of Denmark
Kent (South-east of London, peninsula in the south-eastern coast of England)
Essex (Eastern London and small part of the eastern coast of England)

You do realize this is history Rewritten.

 

[GhostWriter16]

A unified England wouldn't come until Alfred the Great in the AD 800's. The Papal States was not a democracy, it was an autocratic oligarchy ruled by a council and a demagogic absolutist leader known as the Pope or Bishop of Rome.

Here's a little help:
1. There were no democracies in the feudal period
2. England was divided into the separate kingdoms of
Wessex (London area and parts of Cornwall
Mercia (North-west of London)
Northumbria (North-east of London and into southern Scotland), also known as the Danelaw during periods of occupation by the Vikings and the Kingdom of Denmark
Kent (South-east of London, peninsula in the south-eastern coast of England)
Essex (Eastern London and small part of the eastern coast of England)

I didn't think the Papal States were a democracy. Mine sure aren't!

As for the England thing, so what? Its a new history.

 

[Lord of Elves]

You do realize this is history Rewritten.

If your point of divergence is AD 600 then you're all doing a horrible job. According to ilduce, the point of this game was to bring more historical accuracy to IOT. It's done just the opposite.

 

[GhostWriter16]

If your point of divergence is AD 600 then you're all doing a horrible job. According to ilduce, the point of this game was to bring more historical accuracy to IOT. It's done just the opposite.

That's why we shouldn't have democracies and such yet.

As for the point of divergence, I think it was at Constantine, and he didn't divide Rome thus causing both sides to split, though I could be wrong. Please confirm or correct me Ilduce.

As for a New Roman Empire, nobody is going to get quite that big an empire, but making an empire called "The New Roman Empire" would actually be quite easy. Same with England.

 

[Lord of Elves]

You'd have to unify all the various Italian kingdoms that formed first, same case in England.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well, in this case there are two Italian nations.

As for England, well, someone might claim there or they may not.

 

[ilduce349]

Rome fell 120 years ago, over the last 120 years England united.

Also the holy roman empire was named after the roman empire, as its goal was to be as large and great as the empire that preceded it (this is over simplifying it, but is still partially true)

as for papal, democracies in this age were elected dictatorships. Once elected you were elected until death. Papal was a democracy as the 167 cardinals would vote and therefore elect democratically who would be the next bishop of Rome.

I now ask you to stop spamming the thread complaining about every little detail or we will report you. Either make a country, or don't comment.

Actually the point of difference is Attila the Hun invaded both the eastern and western Roman empires.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Rome fell 120 years ago, over the last 120 years England united.

Also the holy roman empire was named after the roman empire, as its goal was to be as large and great as the empire that preceded it (this is over simplifying it, but is still partially true)

as for papal, democracies in this age were elected dictatorships. Once elected you were elected until death. Papal was a democracy as the 167 cardinals would vote and therefore elect democratically who would be the next bishop of Rome.

I now ask you to stop spamming the thread complaining about every little detail or we will report you. Either make a country, or don't comment.

Well, in this game's Papal States there are no elections, the Clergy rule the country. However, I acknowledge for the IRL Papal States.

Are you going to make a country?

 

[ilduce349]

Me? No. Like Joe in IOTV as the main GM, I don't think I have time to rule a county.
I am GMing SPRRR and this at the moment. As well as being on vacation, where my parents hate when I pull out a laptop.

 

[W|M]

Name: Maya
Government: Loose Confederation of cheifdoms
Tax Rate: High
Colour: Light Blue
Claims: All the brown American territories, Cuba and Haiti.

 

[Lord of Elves]

Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons/English was King of Wessex in 871 and King of England shortly thereafter. England was not united by AD 600.

 

[ilduce349]

Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons/English was King of Wessex in 871 and King of England shortly thereafter. England was not united by AD 600.

We already said its ok to create an empire early. I already asked you to stop posting in this thread about the English not existing yet. I just reported your post.

 

[Omega124]

Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons/English was King of Wessex in 871 and King of England shortly thereafter. England was not united by AD 600.

Well, let's say that King Arthur actually did exist (Most accounts say he lived in the early 500 AD). Now, lets say that he easily repelled the Saxon invaders, and had the other kingdoms bow down to him and create a unified England. This kingdom would then exist to today (Or 600 AD).

EDIT: I do agree with Lord on the Papal issue. It was a Oligarchy, not a Democracy. They're similar, but former only has a select few elite voting (The cardinals).

 

[ilduce349]

I agree with Omega. He has rewritten the history of his country without power gaming, so that is now the history of England in the late 6th early 7th centuries.

 

[Lord of Elves]

Well, let's say that King Arthur actually did exist (Most accounts say he lived in the early 500 AD). Now, lets say that he easily repelled the Saxon invaders, and had the other kingdoms bow down to him and create a unified England. This kingdom would then exist to today (Or 600 AD).

EDIT: I do agree with Lord on the Papal issue. It was a Oligarchy, not a Democracy. They're similar, but former only has a select few elite voting (The cardinals).

Then it wouldn't be England. It would be Britannia. That completely misses the point, it's like saying the Revolutionary War never happened because England never colonized the Americas.

 

[W|M]

 

[ilduce349]

What part of reported you post did your not understand???

Edit: X-Post but with WIM

 

[Cull]

So during the SAME time that Attaila the Hun invaded both the East and the West, disregarding all the other "barbarians" during the Migration period or the difficulty even sacking Rome took, England united itself just because you said so, the Pope declares himself the New Roman Empire even though all he has is a war torn city, and nothing resembling the power or the prestige or the science or the marvel of the Roman Empire....

That's what I'm getting..

 

[ilduce349]

The new Roman empire and the papal states are two different empires.

By Attila the Hun I mean all the barbarian tribes. They didn't just attack the west. It doesn't really matter though. The point is both the east and the west fell. It doesn't matter how, its just they did.

England could have united early, but they didn't. I didn't say so, Omega wanted it, and united England. Anyway, technically speaking Omega hasn't united England yet, he still has the scotts to deal with.