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HOF Questions and Answers Thread
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I don't fully understand the Qscores. Why should a #1 small map game score less than a #1 huge map game? There are games where the bigger the map, the easier the victory. Anyway, my real question is not this one.
Imagine someone has a poor GMinor Qscore and wants to improve it. Imagine the minor of that month is a OCC conquest. Conquest in OCC is suboptimal, so his game, even if he gets to make the #1 position in the Gauntlet, will have a very low Qscore when compared to normal HOF games with the same settings. So, shouldn't he play that Gauntlet?
Then he tries and wins the Gauntlet and is #1 at it. There will be no reward at all in terms of Qscore? Is that the way we want it to work?
Imagine someone has a poor GMinor Qscore and wants to improve it. Imagine the minor of that month is a OCC conquest. Conquest in OCC is suboptimal, so his game, even if he gets to make the #1 position in the Gauntlet, will have a very low Qscore when compared to normal HOF games with the same settings. So, shouldn't he play that Gauntlet?
Then he tries and wins the Gauntlet and is #1 at it. There will be no reward at all in terms of Qscore? Is that the way we want it to work?
Gauntlets are compared to the other games in the same gauntlet. If you look at the game_info you can see there is a Gauntlet Qscore that is used for the QM.
I don't remember all of the discussion around the different modifiers (difficulty, barb and size) but I think that the theory is that the great the size the more effort required. I can understand that there might be conditions were what you say is true.
The question is can you define a table could be used to identify which combination are more difficult. It has got to be something universal that most players would agree with.
We are in the process of upgrading the QM to include BTS. We also have some new things we want to introduce so it is a good time to revisit this. But, we have to move quickly, as in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks for the opportunity. I don't have the needed experience. I would just suggest decreasing the map size relevance, for example Large and Huge 0.9, Std and Small 0.8, Tiny and Duel 0.7. Maybe someone else can make a better suggestion.
Ok. Let me change the example then. Someone who has won (#1) a Deity-Huge Gmajor doesn't have a reason to win another Gmajor in Prince-Std.
What about adding 3 points per Gminor won and 5 points per Gmajor to the formula?
I would like to hear from the top Quattromasters on this.
This is from someone who is still pretty new to HOF, and only a Prince/Monarch player so take it with a grain of salt:
I think the current system is pretty good. I've gotten my first Deity games posted only because they were much easier on the Duel Map. I don't think I deserve any more than a .5. Also adding points per game won would unfairly weight the numbers in favor of long time players. Someone new wouldn't be able to catch up.
The only thing I might change is the Barbarian penalty. I play too many games without Barbarians because I'm going for the quickest date and the presence of Barbarians would just slow me down. If it was .1 and .2 for normal/raging it might make me think more about playing with them on.
I think the current system is pretty good. I've gotten my first Deity games posted only because they were much easier on the Duel Map. I don't think I deserve any more than a .5. Also adding points per game won would unfairly weight the numbers in favor of long time players. Someone new wouldn't be able to catch up.
The only thing I might change is the Barbarian penalty. I play too many games without Barbarians because I'm going for the quickest date and the presence of Barbarians would just slow me down. If it was .1 and .2 for normal/raging it might make me think more about playing with them on.
As Denniz stated, gauntlet's earn their own QScore (GauntletQScore), which isn't affected by non-gauntlet games. So the player who got #1 in your OCC conquest example would indeed benefit from the gauntlet. Remember also that once the gauntlet has closed, your GauntletQScore can never be changed. Therefore that #1 ranking will always be #1.
Your Quattromaster score for the gauntlet event is based off of your two best scores for both the Major and the Minor. So it would be good to have at least one other high scoring Major. Expanding on your example, if the player had two #1 huge deity games, than yes, any future majors wouldn't help his score (unless they could possibly earn a higher GauntletQScore).
As some have stated before, on higher difficulty levels and crowded maps, barbs are rarely seen. Therefore clicking 'Raging Barbs' doesn't really do anything (except increase your QScore).
Hi, I'm thinking of trying my first HOF game to submit. Before I do so, I have a few questions, if anyone can answer them it would be helpful. I'm very new at this and tried searching these questions, but the search results list was very long and intimidating, so I'll try here....
#1. I see that it is required to submit 2 saves; one starting save, and one the turn after victory. As for the starting save, is the 4000bc autosave sufficient?
#2. Is there any rule against regenerating map on the first turn? For this event I am playing above my skill level and hope to find a starting position that is favorable. Is this against the rules? If not, is it in any way taboo?
#3. Let me see that I understand correctly: I can play any game that meets the criteria for HOF using HOF mod, and then can submit it? Now, if I play a g-minor or major game, does it count towards my HOF score?
Thanks! I've been eying this whole HOF thing for awhile but was intimidated by all the strange words like "quattromaster", but now I'm just going to dive in and hope I figure it out.
Peace
#1. I see that it is required to submit 2 saves; one starting save, and one the turn after victory. As for the starting save, is the 4000bc autosave sufficient?
#2. Is there any rule against regenerating map on the first turn? For this event I am playing above my skill level and hope to find a starting position that is favorable. Is this against the rules? If not, is it in any way taboo?
#3. Let me see that I understand correctly: I can play any game that meets the criteria for HOF using HOF mod, and then can submit it? Now, if I play a g-minor or major game, does it count towards my HOF score?
Thanks! I've been eying this whole HOF thing for awhile but was intimidated by all the strange words like "quattromaster", but now I'm just going to dive in and hope I figure it out.
Peace
Welcome to the HOF!!!
Yes, the 4000 bc save is mandatory. If you start in an era other than ancient, than the initial turn you begin in is the save that we need. Basically as soon as the game starts up, that is the turn that we need.
You are allowed to regenerate. In fact the HOF mod even helps you out. Under the options screen on the HOF3 tab you can check the Alt-G regen box that allows you to just press Alt-G and it automatically regenerates for you. Saves a little time. We also have MapFinder that was created by HOF admin Denniz. It's an excellent program that helps you locate those perfect starts.
Games played for either the minor or major are submitted just like any other. Our checker examines the submission and if it meets the criteria of the major/minor the game is automatically submitted. Technically someone who isn't intentionally playing for the minor/major could accidently submit a game if they just happen to have played a game that fits the criteria.
I'm glad you chose to start participating. We're looking forward to seeing your games up on the board!
. Playshogi is correct.I found the same intimidation feeling, time ago.
Shouldn't there be a "welcome to HOF thread" were, with less than 50 word, the HOF concept, the Qmaster and the ranking-players-based-on-Qscore are presented, with some links to more esoteric threads?
That is supposed to be what this thread is. I'm wondering if I should add a couple more items in regards to the hof itself?
That is supposed to be what this thread is. I'm wondering if I should add a couple more items in regards to the hof itself?
If you were to do what jesusin suggests, I would recommend a brief sticky entitled something like "HOF OVERVIEW" or something like that which is closed to comments. The thread we are posting in currently is a bit long and some new HOF'ers may not get to the bottom of this thread before giving up in confusion.
Harbourboy
Deity
I agree. I avoided this place for years, on the assumption that it only applied to people who could submit the highest scoring games in each category.
Steven Aus
Teach The World To Fish For Life
Hi Hall of Famers. Although I have posted previously on CivFanatics Forums, this is the first time for a while and for this moniker. I have downloaded MapFinder and would like to take part in HOF. What do you suggest I start with? I am wondering whether vanilla, warlords or BTS is the best Civ IV for balance. I know the thing about balance is that it is *very* difficult to have balance in a game where most people would agree that it is well balanced. What do you think?
Best regards,
Steven.
Best regards,
Steven.
Harbourboy
Deity
I don't think it really matters that much.
Hey Steven,
Welcome to the HOF.
Probably the easiest way to get into HOF is through the gauntlets. Pick one of the current ones, have a look through the thread for suggestions etc and have a go, making sure to post your thoughts in the thread as well.
Welcome to the HOF.
Probably the easiest way to get into HOF is through the gauntlets. Pick one of the current ones, have a look through the thread for suggestions etc and have a go, making sure to post your thoughts in the thread as well.
Steven Aus
Teach The World To Fish For Life
I have original Civ IV but not any expansions. Can I still enter the Gauntlet due to be concluded by 10th February?
Best regards,
Steven.
Best regards,
Steven.
All the current gauntlets (G-Major 19 and 20 and G-Minor 33) are open to entries using original Civ IV.
Dracandross
Warlord
Global highlands says I have balanced resources on from settings screen. I tried to start game with balanced or standard didnt affect. Submitted one settler game with it.
1) Mod thinks it wrong
2) Changing it from start doesnt make difference, error in script?
3) Other
4) Im just stupid
Kinda boring, last map type to score QM.
-Dracandross
1) Mod thinks it wrong
2) Changing it from start doesnt make difference, error in script?
3) Other
4) Im just stupid
Kinda boring, last map type to score QM.
-Dracandross
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