Homophobia associated with higher rates of psychoticism

Formaldehyde said:
Yet you obviously did by quoting intentionally misleading statistics from a website you didn't want to post here.
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That still doesn't change the voting record! Or the fact that more Republicans supported the Civil Rights Laws than Democrats! :rotfl:

What a bunch of hypocrites they are. That and allowed the KKK to run in the Democratic party!
 
civman110 said:
It's a voting record you can't "distort" it. :rotfl:



I should be asking you and the Democrats that! :lol:
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For some reason the movie PCU comes to mind:

Rand: I scheme and plan for MONTHS and it gets screwed up because YOU can't control the students! NEVER send a woman to do a man's job!

President Garcia-Thompson: You cocky, pointy-nosed little Reaganite! If you hadn't provoked them, we wouldn't BE in this mess!

Rand: Whoa! Reality check here! Earth to TALL {expletive}! What is your fault? THIS IS!
{turns on Droz}

Rand: Hey, poor boy! Go and have all your parties with all your new friends! I can see it now, Andrews. You and all the knee-jerk, bleeding-heart liberals, sipping tea and playing patty-cake. And those useless hippie pot-heads, those commie-pinko leftists. The bunny huggers, the pillow biters...

Droz: Whoa! Whoa! Which ones are the pillow biters again?

Rand: The BUTT-PIRATES! And those beastly man-haters, tell those chicks to shave their pits then call me! And those goddamn whiny crybaby minorities, you can keep them all!

{Rand realizes that Droz had a microphone close by and that the sign lady has been signing everything he said}

Droz: {to the students} Rand McPherson, everybody. And don't forget the 9:30 show is completely different than the 7:30 show. Enjoy the veal!

{the students then go after Rand}
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civman110 said:
Socialists are left wing. It's common knowledge.

The Soviets did the same thing with their own revolutionaries after they took power. It's about eliminating political opposition. Hitler exterminated all groups that could be opposition not just other left wingers.
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Which, of course, explains why the various right wing volkish parties, along with the right-of-center Catholic Center Party supported the Enabling Act.

Under your description what we had was a bunch of far-right volkish nutters supporting the left-wing Nazis -and the Center Party reluctantly supporting the Nazis- with the actual leftist Social Democrat and Communist Party voting against the Enabling Act.
Because that makes sense.


I knew more Republicans supported the Civil Rights Laws than Democrats and got my facts mixed up about LBJ's political affiliations. There's no suggesting anything.
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Not to put too fine of a point on it, but mixing up which party LBJ belonged to would be like in a discussion of Warhammer 40K saying the Empire of Man worshipped the Gods of Chaos.
 
Tolni said:
Nah man that's the Nazis

the socialist nazis

it's in the name dude
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Nah dude, they just named themselves Socialists for the lulz bro... Hitler was the original hipster, man. I haven't read anything about their policies or the decade leading up to WWII, but I want them to be right wing.

I'll highlight all of the Socialist policies for you in their official platform. They were an official left wing party for almost a decade before WWII even started.




German Nazi Party Platform:

1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.

2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the peace treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.

3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.

4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.

5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.

6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether it is a national, state or local office.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of making party considerations, and not character and ability, the criterion for appointments to official positions.

7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the Reich without delay.

9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.

We therefore demand:

11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

Breaking the Servitude of Interest.

12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.

15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.

17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.

19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.

20. In order to make higher education – and thereby entry into leading positions – available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latters’ position or occupation.

21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.

23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:

a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;

b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;

c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.

Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.

The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a permanent revival of our nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of: Public Interest before Private Interest.

25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.

The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.

Munich, Germany

February 24, 1920.
 
civman110 said:
Nah dude, they just named themselves Socialists for the lulz bro... I haven't read anything about their policies or the decade leading up to WWII, but I want them to be right wing.

I'll highlight all of the Socialist policies for you in their official platform. They ran as a left wing party for almost a decade before WWII even started.




German Nazi Party Platform:

1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.

2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the peace treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.

3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.

4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.

5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.

6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether it is a national, state or local office.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of making party considerations, and not character and ability, the criterion for appointments to official positions.

7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the Reich without delay.

9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.

We therefore demand:

11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

Breaking the Servitude of Interest.

12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.

15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.

17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.

19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.

20. In order to make higher education – and thereby entry into leading positions – available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latters’ position or occupation.

21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.

23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:

a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;

b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;

c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.

Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.

The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a permanent revival of our nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of: Public Interest before Private Interest.

25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.

The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.

Munich, Germany

February 24, 1920.
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This is a really stupid post. Trying to compare those people in favour of free public education or professional armies to nazis is dumb and offensive.

I'm calling it. You're trolling while trying to stay within the rules.
 
Senethro said:
This is a really stupid post. Trying to compare those people in favour of free public education or professional armies to nazis is dumb and offensive.

I'm calling it. You're trolling while trying to stay within the rules.
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You're the one who made that comparison. I posted an objective fact. That's the official Nazi platform in 1920.
 
Senethro said:
You posted a ridiculous interpretation of a fact.

Your comparisons are as asinine as pointing out nazis also breathed oxygen.
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My post only consists of the Nazi Party Platform in 1920. There is no interpretation on MY part of what it says.

Just because you dislike what their platform says because it's causing you to draw certain parallels, isn't my problem. That's your own issue.
 
Senethro said:
You posted a ridiculous interpretation of a fact.

Your comparisons are as asinine as pointing out nazis also breathed oxygen.
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I knew there was a reason I liked plants...everyone else is a nazi!
 
civman110 said:
My post only consists of the Nazi Party Platform. There is no interpenetration on MY part of what it says.

Just because you dislike what it says isn't my problem. That's your own issue.
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There absolutely is an interpretation and you're being hugely dishonest by saying there isn't.

Heres the part where you interpretation and judgement of values is involved - the part where you say certain characteristics are peculiarly socialist (Like professional armies? wtf?) when they're not, and that the nazis had these characteristics because they were socialist. Never mind the parts where the nazis were lying, never mind the larger more significant characteristics associated with murderous authoritarianism, you KNOW that your silly bolding makes nazis socialist, and so socialists/leftists bad.

And therefore, being left wing in the year 2015 is bad and the real bigotry because ???

You seem to have this talismanic regard of the word bigot, and are trying to draw some really tenuous connections to apply it to those who don't act like bigots, as if that will settle things.
 
They banned the hiring of professional armies or militias they didn't legalize it.

I didn't draw any parallels. I posted an objective fact. A party platform.

We're both adults and I assume you have access to a dictionary that will tell you what constitutes Socialism. I highlighted Socialist policies. Their party name is the National Socialists. It is asinine of you to try and deny the fact that they were Socialists in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Feel free to try and tell me why each highlighted point isn't a Socialist policy.

If you happen to draw parallels in your own mind to what's going on today. I didn't put those thoughts there.
 
civman110 said:
Their party name is the National Socialists. It is asinine of you to try and deny the fact that they were Socialists in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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North Korea says it is democratic and a republic.
I had heard all of this nasty stuff saying they were a crazy dictatorship, but since their name includes the words "democratic" and "republic", looks like I can include them on my next summer holiday trip.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Senthro.

Also worth pointing out that the platform you posted is from 1920; well before the Nazis were either in power or had purged the leftist elements of the party (the Strasserites and Rohm) in the Night of the Long Knives.
 
Senethro said:
Yeah, and the Democratic Republic of Korea sure is democratic.

An outdated party platform filled with lies, contrary to how they acted or even intended to act.
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They implemented these policies.

Feel free to go through the highlighted points one by one and explain how they aren't Socialist policies then.
 
I called it first, senethro.

civman if you're not ignoring me, was Reagan a leftist?
 
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