Homophobia associated with higher rates of psychoticism

[Formaldehyde]

It is like Islamophobia. There are likely some who don't actually fear Islam, but it is quite obvious what the term means in the context which it is used.

And prejudice is definitely sufficient to warrant using the word.

 

[warpus]

It's like the word driveway. You don't drive in it, but it's a driveway nevertheless. Words don't always mean what the constituent parts that make them up mean, especially in English.

 

[Sommerswerd]

It's like the word driveway. You don't drive in it, but it's a driveway nevertheless. Words don't always mean what the constituent parts that make them up mean, especially in English.

You park in the "driveway" and drive on the "parkway" and you better not be getting high on the "highway."

As another aside... "Islamist" is a word that Middle-East studies intellectuals have been hard-selling as a new way to distinguish "bad" Muslims from "good" ones. The ones who belive in Jihad, suicide bombings, terrorist tactics, sharia law, etc should not be called "Muslims" or practioners of Islam. They should be referred to as "Islamists" who practice "Islamism." It doesn't seem to be catching on though... people seem to like "Radical Islam" and "Islamofacists" much better.

What about "Homosexualist" as the new "it" word?

 

[warpus]

That's what I call extremist Christians - Christianists

 

[Formaldehyde]

You park in the "driveway" and drive on the "parkway" and you better not be getting high on the "highway."

You forgot the attribution.

As another aside... "Islamist" is a word that Middle-East studies intellectuals have been hard-selling as a new way to distinguish "bad" Muslims from "good" ones. The ones who belive in Jihad, suicide bombings, terrorist tactics, sharia law, etc should not be called "Muslims" or practioners of Islam. They should be referred to as "Islamists" who practice "Islamism." It doesn't seem to be catching on though... people seem to like "Radical Islam" and "Islamofacists" much better.

As though any word containing "Islam" is acceptable.

Would they dare call so many of those who signed up in the US military after 9/11 to kill Muslims "Christianists"?

That's what I call extremist Christians - Christianists

So, you beat me to it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

That's what I call extremist Christians - Christianists

The way it seems to work here (in the US) for the most part is that extremist Christians are just called "racists" or "bigots" or "religious fundamentalists" etc, without any special mention of Christianity needed.

You forgot the attribution.

I'm sure there is some witty jab in there somewhere... I just don't get it

Would they dare call so many of those who signed up in the US military after 9/11 to kill Muslims "Christianists"?

Nah, the term "Crusaders" is a perfectly fine term (and is used often)... "Old, not obsolete" to quote the Governator.

Which brings up something else (in my mind at least)... Should there be different terms to distinguish Christians who hate gays from those who hate Muslims and those who hate abortion and those who hate evolution? Or is one all encompassing term fine? Serious question.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Which brings up something else (in my mind at least)... Should there be different terms to distinguish Christians who hate gays from those who hate Muslims and those who hate abortion and those who hate evolution? Or is one all encompassing term fine? Serious question.

What's the all-encompassing term? "Christian"?

 

[Loppan Torkel]

It is like Islamophobia. There are likely some who don't actually fear Islam, but it is quite obvious what the term means in the context which it is used.

And prejudice is definitely sufficient to warrant using the word.

So, you'd be a Christianophobe? Doesn't roll off the tongue exactly.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm sure there is some witty jab in there somewhere... I just don't get it

It's from a George Carlin skit. I can't find the exact quote at the moment, but it's pretty close.

Nah, the term "Crusaders" is a perfectly fine term (and is used often)... "Old, not obsolete" to quote the Governator.

I use it myself.

Which brings up something else (in my mind at least)... Should there be different terms to distinguish Christians who hate gays from those who hate Muslims and those who hate abortion and those who hate evolution? Or is one all encompassing term fine? Serious question.

Perhaps there should be. All too often the reason why many Christians do hate is conveniently dismissed or forgotten, unlike Muslims.

 

[Sommerswerd]

What's the all-encompassing term? "Christian"?

Well that's the question... well, one of several questions...

It's from a George Carlin skit.

Indeed it is. I couldn't remember where I heard it from, thanks. The quote goes "Why do we park on driveways, drive on parkways, and pay toll on freeways?"http://www.weeville.com/Carlin.htm

 

[Kyriakos]

This is how languages evolve though - even though the word ends in 'phobia', a homophobia is not necessarily a phobia. .. but it can be one.

Many phobias are about conditions, or objects, not live beings- let alone humans- and there it is not that usual to feel hatred. I mean you can say 'i hate heights', but you just mean you do not like being in that setting, not that you hate the height itself (you could, but that would be a different thing).

With traits of people it can more easily be a hatred or dislike. Although it should be noted that 'projection' is usually what the specific emotional-investment on another person's traits is argued in psychology to be tied to. In english: you hate something in another if you actually (consciously or not) identify it with something in your mental world.
This DOES NOT mean that if one 'hates' homosexuals this is because he/she is homosexual (it could, but it doesn't mean that). It means that one may project emotional or mental things of his/her own onto the other person, and those get falsely stabilised there as something outside his own existence.

Ultimately, though, we can only see our own elements, thoughts, impressions, or mental mechanisms on others. I can be disgusted by someone who is covered with garbage, but it is not like i feel how he is; being repelled is a defensive mechanism anyway.

 

[cardgame]

The up-and-coming word for homophobic discrimination seems to be heterosexist. I don't think that it will catch on.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So, you'd be a Christianophobe? Doesn't roll off the tongue exactly.

So you think someone who doesn't mind Christians at all, except for the hypocritical bigots who try to meddle in others' affairs, is a "Christianophobe"?



"Justice means minding one's own business and not meddling with other men's concerns." Plato

So what does that mean you engage in inane "secularhumanistophobic" personal attacks, instead of discussing the issues?

 

[Loppan Torkel]

So you think someone who doesn't mind Christians at all, except for the hypocritical bigots who try to meddle in others' affairs, is a "Christianophobe"?



"Justice means minding one's own business and not meddling with other men's concerns." Plato

So what does that mean you engage in inane "secularhumanistophobic" personal attacks, instead of discussing the issues?

Sorry. Didn't mean to offend you. I'm just trying to get some reference points on how much dirt I could fling at specific groups without being a 'phobe'. I mean there are plenty of people whom I don't mind as long as they keep it to themselves. That's the correct interpretation?

edit: I think I'm done in this thread. It's going nowhere unless it's derailed toward certain points of interest.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The up-and-coming word for homophobic discrimination seems to be heterosexist. I don't think that it will catch on.

It certainly shouldn't. That is far too weak and can be considered to be someone who discriminates against women. You might as well say "most Republican presidential candidates". But that is actually true on both accounts...

Sorry. Didn't mean to offend you. I'm just trying to get some reference points on how much dirt I could fling at specific groups without being a 'phobe'. I mean there are plenty of people whom I don't mind as long as they keep it to themselves. That's the correct interpretation?

edit: I think I'm done in this thread. It's going nowhere unless it's derailed toward certain points of interest.

Of course, you intentionally meant to "offend" me while making me out to be a Christian hater. You do it quite frequently when I criticize a group of bigoted Christians who wish to inflict their views on others.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Of course, you intentionally meant to "offend" me while making me out to be a Christian hater. You do it quite frequently when I criticize a group of bigoted Christians who wish to inflict their views on others.

Have I? I generally don't visit those threads for obvious reasons. This, cardgame created and I was a bit curious where he was going with 'psychotistic' people and homophobia. Somehow it ended up being about Christian homophobes again. ..and Christianists..? Given your liberal use of 'phobia', I kind of hoped you'd admit to some general prejudice against Christians. I don't think anyone can argue you don't take every opportunity to attack Christians or Christianity in general. Anyone who did the same here toward Islam would without a doubt be labelled an islamophobe.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You just showed yet again that you pay no attention at all to what I post. That I have some obviously non-existent "general prejudice against Christians" when I clearly do not.

So, yes, "anyone" who actually reads what I write would find this to be just so much unmitigated nonsense in the form of yet another inane personal attack with no basis in fact.

The real question is why you incessantly perceive these statements this way. Are you trying to claim there is no connection between homophobia and what many Christians continue to believe? That this is all just some sort of coincidence? If not, why else would you be so offended to merely hear the obvious facts?

 

[Kyriakos]

There are also Christianoronaldophobes. But some just abbreviate that to 'betas'.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

If not, why else would you be so offended to merely hear the obvious facts?

There is as much evidence for Christianity causing homophobia as it is for Islam causing terrorism. I have no interest in spamming this place of incidents where Muslims commit horrible crimes. It would probably offend people and would not make this forum a better place.

I'm done here.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I didn't state that "Christianity caused homophobia". Now did I?

You can't even discuss this matter without intentionally twisting my statements and the article I posted into a form you think you can find personally reprehensible.

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.[4]

Ironically, many of the people who try to blame Islam for terrorism are the same ones who use ancient religious scriptures themselves to rationalize their own hatred towards homosexuals as well as Muslims.

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.