Homophobia associated with higher rates of psychoticism

[warpus]

Sorry, I'm late, are we talking about Russia because there are so many psychotic people who live there, or because of general homophobic attitudes present there, or both?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, you have to admit that was one extremely effective video. Not exactly sure why Aleksey posted it though...

 

[Sommerswerd]

Kyriakos brought it up... that young children should not be exposed to gays, because that would be exposing them to "sexual matters."

Only he apparently stated nothing of the sort. Quote him.

... OK ... In this thread...

An issue is that children are not able to form an actual view on sexual matters, cause they are not even in puberty yet. So i doubt it is a good idea to tell them about homosexuality anyway. I suppose it is likely the better idea to generally tell them about the genitals, but pre-puberty a child is not going to have a sense of sexual matters (although it is documented in psychology/psychiatry that the sexual drive manifests in more convoluted and hidden manner).

Basically it would be a huge gamble to present those things to a person who still has time before he/she senses sexuality in a way tied to 'reality'. Children are not thinking in manners adults tend to, and they are more chaotic and individual.

Also... TL;DR

Spoiler :

Yeah, but talking to a pre-puberty kid about homosexuality is a bad idea, not just talking about the sexual act. If the person you are speaking to has simply no way of forming a logical basis of what this is about, telling him/her something will at best appear cryptic, if not strange. Playing with how children think is never a good idea, for they do not think like the adults do and never could (as noted, they are more chaotic and consciously more individual than adults).

Well, why exactly do you think it will benefit a child to tell them anything about homosexuality, since they are not able to form a view on it?

^Eh, yeah. The thread is on this subject, and you were going on about how to make children more accepting of homosexuality. So it is a bit absurd of you to then claim that i happened to read stuff into your posts about homosexuality while they were about...uh... everything and nothing in particular?

And your view about explaining things more to pre-puberty children is no realistic. To use a metaphor, the way of thinking a small child has is like a large number of toys which can be arranged to form over-toys (larger concepts) and altered to mix and tie to other things the child has in mind. The issue is that those "toys" change with time, and not even a god would be able to calculate how. So it is a very bad idea for a parent to try to play tutor in this regard. It is in fact more than a bad idea; it is a mistake..

Also... In other threads...

Spoiler :

I already directed Rashiminos to Post #695 of the gay marriage thread for some context on my opionion of Kyriakos' argument.

Don't worry... you will catch me being wrong at some point... I'm wrong often enough

 

[Kyriakos]

^You are wrong on me, which is what matters to MOI.

Apologise

 

[Sommerswerd]

@Kyriakos- I don't understand what I was "wrong on you" about

Are you saying that that I was wrong to conclude that your argument sounded homophobic to me? If that is what you are saying then I disagree. As the foremost, authoritative expert on how things sound to me, it is my finding that my statement about how your argument sounded to me was exactly correct. It did indeed sound homophobic to me.

 

[Kyriakos]

I want to be in contact to any party within you that may be open to influencing the rest of you to change your impression of my posts

 

[Sommerswerd]

Deal I'll let him know

 

[Kyriakos]

It's a win-win for my side

 

[gay_Aleks]

That comment section was almost more entertaining than that video.

More entertaining than this thread? I sincerely doubt!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I would have guessed that pretty much any phobia would correlate with psychosis. Mental health is mental health, and poor mental health is poor mental health. I don't really see the point of a study to verify that yet again, but good to know research is being funded.

 

[warpus]

Arachnophobia though?

 

[gay_Aleks]

I would have guessed that pretty much any phobia would correlate with psychosis. Mental health is mental health, and poor mental health is poor mental health. I don't really see the point of a study to verify that yet again, but good to know research is being funded.

It warms my heart even more that the researchers have time to dedicate asking questions about one's religion.

 

[Syno]

I am sorry for my intolerance, but you are brainwashed to the point of stupidity!


Link to video.

Are you capable of formulating a counter-argument that isn't just an insult?

 

[gay_Aleks]

Oh, just shut up. You're brainwashed.

 

[Syno]

Oh, just shut up. You're brainwashed.

A convincing argument. Words cannot describe just how convinced I am right now.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Arachnophobia though?

Definitely. I mean a certain amount of avoidance is certainly reasonable, but if someone won't go out to the garage refrigerator to get a beer because "there might be spiders out there" they are clearly unstable to a dangerous degree and that could show up in a myriad of ways across their life.

 

[Borachio]

Depends on the spider, I think.

Erm...http://ednieuw.home.xs4all.nl/Spiders/Nasty-Spiders/Demystification-toxicity-spiders.htm

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I would have guessed that pretty much any phobia would correlate with psychosis. Mental health is mental health, and poor mental health is poor mental health. I don't really see the point of a study to verify that yet again, but good to know research is being funded.

Possibly true for actual phobias, but "homophobia" isn't really a phobia in anything other than name.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Possibly true for actual phobias, but "homophobia" isn't really a phobia in anything other than name.

I disagree. It seems to me that it is the same sort of excessive fear of [whatever] taken to an extreme where it influences behavior far beyond what is warranted as any other phobia. The word is overused, just like arachnophobia or some of the other popular sounds good on social media phobias.

I go out to the garage and see a black widow spider. I will dispose of it, exercising due caution. My friend says "Just crush it in your fist! Whassamatter? Arachnophobia?" There's no phobia there. Like I said though, if unrealistic fears of spiders that might be in the garage have me parking my car out in the street, that's an issue.

Same thing applies to homophobia. The word gets slung around a lot more than people even think about gays. But there are definitely people who are genuinely homophobic. The whole "keep gays away" as if it might be contagious business demonstrates that; unrealistic fear of something that isn't real affecting behavior.

 

[Kyriakos]

Terms have a wider ranger of meaning, though. Let alone the particular readings into them.

Phobia literally means 'fear of', anyway.

Phobos will get you.