Homosexuals in the military

[Luv_Muffin]

I'm a veteran.
Gay's in the military? Sure, why not. When it comes to the job, their private lives makes absolutley no difference with their ability to aim a rifle or stop a bullet. People are basically the same, in that regard.

As for what they do on their private time, you'd be surprised at just how un-romantic a war zone can be. You don't get flowers and table cloths with your rations, no dancing after patrols, and nothing can burn away your desire to be close to someone like piles of corpses.

Maybe you have time for romantic nonsense in the movies, but as a combat veteran, 26 hours of my day were filled with nightmares and back breaking work. Every once in a while there was drama, and all I was thinking about in those lulls between life altering events was how was my family doing & did I buy enough life insurance.

 

[IglooDame]

Basically true, but training is no indicator of personality or ability to work as a team. If a person does not fit into the team, regardless of his training, that teams effectiveness decreases. Often, the lives of the entire team rest on a certain individual.

And if that team is upset because a certain individual is black? What happens then?

 

[carlosMM]

Actually my opinion is that they should be allowed to serve if separate units, but its never goona happen.

Yes, but post them to the "all gays" unit please.

Why?

by that logic, you need to form all-women units. And all-lesbian units. And, possibly, all-transvestite. And all-impotent-heterosexual-male. And all-impotent-homosexual-male. And don't get me started on bi-sexuals. Spilt them by percentage or what?







the degree of absurdity to that certain 'others-bashers' go, be those others of a different skin color, education, sex, sexuality, political opinion or whatever is amating

 

[nonconformist]

by that logic, you need to form all-women units. And all-lesbian units. And, possibly, all-transvestite. And all-impotent-heterosexual-male. And all-impotent-homosexual-male. And don't get me started on bi-sexuals. Spilt them by percentage or what?

No, they form one-man battalions.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

If they fight what does it matter if they like the same sex?

This is why I think men take on an interest in the same sex: "women will only have relations with them once in awhile, but have you ever heard a man turn down a chance for sex?"

Quoted from a guest on the Bob and Tom Show.

 

[Gelion]

what do you mean, in russia? i was under the impression that you have draft in russia, so service is mandatory (or compulsory or whatever you wanna call it.)

also, ive read some horror stories about the way the draftees are treated in russia, and that there are huge numbers of deserters due to the bad conditions.

here its officially mandatory, but i think something like 50% or even less actually do serve, so yeah basicly all you have to do to get out is that you tell them you really dont want to do the service, which is nice i suppose.

Yeah its also good for those purposes...... and true the army is very harsh, depending on the unit. I clearly don't want to do that service and would preferre something where I do get skills.
In another army homosexuals being your superiors and unit-buddies is not a good thing for a straight guy. Or vice versa.

 

[Gelion]

Why?

^ read the post above to understand why. Because of the "informal relations" as they are called in our terminology, mainly beating and rape.

 

[mrtn]

Of course they should be treated by merit, anything else is barbarian.

BTW, no one mentioned the Theban Sacred Band yet?

 

[MattJek]

Like Chris Rock said : If they want to fight, let them fight, cause I aint fighting.

 

[carlosMM]

^ read the post above to understand why. Because of the "informal relations" as they are called in our terminology, mainly beating and rape.

so you claim that, as opposed to 'straight' men, homosexuals as superiors would somehow rape or beat up 'straight' men?




I guess you are against women in the military, too, and blacks also, since they, as superiors, could do more rectal damage if they decide to butt-penetrate a mwhite male or what?






as said before: some people will take ANY excuse to advocate racist or sexist or other discriminating positions


so, now, give me a proper reason why gays should not serve? Not one that relies on absurd claims of some of the usual 'gays are less good people' nonsense!

 

[MobBoss]

As for what they do on their private time, you'd be surprised at just how un-romantic a war zone can be. You don't get flowers and table cloths with your rations, no dancing after patrols, and nothing can burn away your desire to be close to someone like piles of corpses.

Actually, the brigade that I helped send over last year had quite a few military justice cases resulted from improper relationships in a field environment. Two of the most common violations were fraternization and alcohol consumption (alcohol was forbidden in country). This from a unit that was stationed at Camp Anaconda, Iraq.

 

[carlosMM]

Actually, the brigade that I helped send over last year had quite a few military justice cases resulted from improper relationships in a field environment. Two of the most common violations were fraternization and alcohol consumption (alcohol was forbidden in country). This from a unit that was stationed at Camp Anaconda, Iraq.

yeah, so they are normal people. That's a really great reason to exclude gays

 

[MobBoss]

And if that team is upset because a certain individual is black? What happens then?

While the military has tried to reduce rascism it still can happen. The problem could be as you state, or it could also be that a certain individual is the only white guy....or the only hispanic guy. I have seen those situations as well. Typically, though its not skin color that is the issue, as opposed to personality and/or ability. But I routinely see the race card played when its obvious the issue has nothing to do with race what-so-ever.

I fail to see why people always compare racial issues with sexual gender issues when the two are so extremely different. It really is apples and oranges.

 

[Gelion]

so you claim that, as opposed to 'straight' men, homosexuals as superiors would somehow rape or beat up 'straight' men?




I guess you are against women in the military, too, and blacks also, since they, as superiors, could do more rectal damage if they decide to butt-penetrate a mwhite male or what?






as said before: some people will take ANY excuse to advocate racist or sexist or other discriminating positions


so, now, give me a proper reason why gays should not serve? Not one that relies on absurd claims of some of the usual 'gays are less good people' nonsense!

Don't call me a racist I can take offence you know... I am not saying that they are less of human beings, there you go again accusing me of things I did not write and do not support. I am not anti-gay, but I have reasons to belive that having them in the military is a bad idea. Gays in other professions and in private life - I do not care about.
Yes I do claim that and I did, does and will probablty still happen.

It is a question of disscipline and reqruitment practices (fair/unfair, voluntary/involuntary) and at present day in my country at least allowing gays in the military is bad for moral and discipline.

Again I am sure that gays will perform no worse than "straight" men or women (if they do serve) in war time, but in peace time under certain conditions (like lack of discipline as it is the case in our Army) gays in military are not a good idea. Same for large amount of women. I say again: "peace time".
Now don't jump on me putting chiche biases on my neck of being racist and homophobic. I don't like that.

 

[Jawz II]

Yeah its also good for those purposes...... and true the army is very harsh, depending on the unit. I clearly don't want to do that service and would preferre something where I do get skills.
In another army homosexuals being your superiors and unit-buddies is not a good thing for a straight guy. Or vice versa.

ah now i understand what youre affraid off, i didnt think about that!

during my time in service, i was affraid of many things, but that was defenitely not one of them!


but, to be fair i dont think those rapes happen, because the rapist is gay, i think as all other rape, its about control, not sex.

and an absurd twist is, at least in prison enviroment which i think is pretty similar is, its not the rapist who is considered gay, but the victim! (go figure the logic on that)

also, as far as i know, gay arent allowed in russian military, yet people get raped there...(what an absurd thing to type :shakehead )

gays are allowed in most countries armies, and i havent heard of much raping, at least here, so what dose that tell you?

 

[Gelion]

ah now i understand what youre affraid off, i didnt think about that!

during my time in service, i was affraid of many things, but that was defenitely not one of them!


but, to be fair i dont think those rapes happen, because the rapist is gay, i think as all other rape, its about control, not sex.

and an absurd twist is, at least in prison enviroment which i think is pretty similar is, its not the rapist who is considered gay, but the victim! (go figure the logic on that)

How about a group rape? just for the "fun of it" Its hardly ever a nice sight....

 

[Jawz II]

it sound horrible man, just horrible, what can i say?

but again, it proves what im saying, no way all the guys in a group happen to be gay, theyre doing it, as you put it "for the fun of it"

i think most people agree, all rapists should be shot in the head. or at least be in prison for life.

 

[MjM]

Homosexuals, like women, shouldnt be allowed in the millitary of any sorts.

 

[nonconformist]

What I'm seeing here are mostly arguments agaisnt the military, not arguments against gays.

 

[Gelion]

also, as far as i know, gay arent allowed in russian military, yet people get raped there...(what an absurd thing to type

Well if they are doing it "for the fun" they are still somewhat "gay".....
and if they have greater rights..... and are violent you better run.
Anyways I spoiled my mood for the day and need to do some good old French grammar to get it up again.....

Noncon: Which proves that at present they cannot coexist without consequences as sad as it sounds.