Homosexuals in the military

[Che Guava]

In the end it will work out because proud, disciplined professionals don't let such things get in the way of their jobs.

I think that about sums it up!

 

[carlosMM]

Gelion, sorry, have been away/busy a few days.

I see now your point rather clearly (and admit that you have one, though my opinion differs), but there is still the one thing that originally bugged me:

Why do you limit this to gays? Or are you opposed to women in the military, too? THEY can get raped or can sexually humilitae men, too! Same goes for many other things - do you think straight men never employ sex to humiliate other men if those are subordinates? Will you mandate a certain dick size for signing up, e.g.?

Also, see prisons: rape between men is not in nay way limited to homosexuality - it is an expression of power, too. Thus, even if you exclude gays, rape between men may happen for exatly the reason you fear!

 

[victor895]

I dont realy care if they are in the military, its up to them, we shouldn't be able to decide what they do.

 

[Hornblower]

One good writing from an Army War College publication: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/P...mer/belkin.htm

In Australia, Commodore R. W. Gates, whose rank is equivalent to a one-star admiral, remarked that the lifting of the ban was “an absolute non-event.”7 Professor Hugh Smith, a leading academic expert on homosexuality in the Australian military, observed that when the government ordered the military to lift the ban, some officers said, “Over my dead body; if this happens I’ll resign.” However, Smith said that there were no such departures and that the change was accepted in “true military tradition.”8 Bronwen Grey, an official in the Australian Defence Ministry, reported, “There was no increase in complaints about gay people or by gay people. There was no known increase in fights, on a ship, or in Army units. . . . The recruitment figures didn’t alter.”9

I was delighted to find this post by A'AbarachAmadan. A quick update...
Commodore Gates has since been promoted to Rear Admiral and is an equal opportunity Admiral. Everyone gets a fair go.
Gays in the Australian Defence Force whilst not being allowed to officially marry have just been granted the same rights as married heterosexual couples in the ADF.
From my 12 years at sea I have found that gays barely raise a blip on the drama-scope. Relationships forming whilst inevitable are dealt with in the same even handed manner as those that form between hetero couples. They cannot serve in the same unit. No arguments and no discrimination.
Predelictions perpetrated by randy Trojans and possibly the Village People are largely responsible for the poorly conceived notions of sailors.

 

[Eukaryote]

sure, why not, go ahead

 

[GenMarshall]

I dont believe that openly homosexual people should serve in the military since I believe that they would demotivate other heterosexuals in the military since they would be afraid that the homosexual would hit on the heterosexual in close quarters when sleeping in tents or sharing a blanket to save heat.

Certanly I would be unconfortable having to share a blanket with a homosexual. I feel that homosexuals can serve in the military if they are not open about there homosexuality and dont reveal it to their comrades and their commanding officer.

 

[El_Machinae]

If we took sex-talk out of the military ... I think it would die of starvation.

You'd have to regulate that no discussion regarding sexual orientation take place.

 

[IglooDame]

I dont believe that openly homosexual people should serve in the military since I believe that they would demotivate other heterosexuals in the military since they would be afraid that the homosexual would hit on the heterosexual in close quarters when sleeping in tents or sharing a blanket to save heat.

Certanly I would be unconfortable having to share a blanket with a homosexual. I feel that homosexuals can serve in the military if they are not open about there homosexuality and dont reveal it to their comrades and their commanding officer.

So... openly homosexual people are pretty much free to serve in the navy, then?

I'd be uncomfortable having to share a blanket with anyone who isn't my wife, but if it's cold out and there's only one blanket, I'll live with the sharing-blanket discomfort with no complaint.

 

[El_Machinae]

You'd be surprised what you have to do to get a buddy out of hypothermic conditions ... if a life hadn't been saved, we would have been embarrased.

 

[nonconformist]

So... openly homosexual people are pretty much free to serve in the navy, then?

I'd be uncomfortable having to share a blanket with anyone who isn't my wife, but if it's cold out and there's only one blanket, I'll live with the sharing-blanket discomfort with no complaint.

I don't know if that was a joke, or what, but
BULLSEYE!

 

[IglooDame]

I don't know if that was a joke, or what, but
BULLSEYE!

No joke. I'll take gay cooties over hypothermia any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[nonconformist]

No joke. I'll take gay cooties over hypothermia any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I was assuming your previous post was implying the majority of the USN are gay

Our navy always has been, to the point that in the 1800s, the navy had to slip bromide chemicals into our sailors' rations to stop them getting horny

In any case, your being uncomfortable sharing a blanket with anyone else than your wife isn't mutual

 

[IglooDame]

I was assuming your previous post was implying the majority of the USN are gay

Our navy always has been, to the point that in the 1800s, the navy had to slip bromide chemicals into our sailors' rations to stop them getting horny

Not at all, I was pointing out that using CG's criteria, being gay in the navy wouldn't matter. Whether a majority of them are or not, I don't know but suspect not - I never saw a hint of it, myself.

In any case, your being uncomfortable sharing a blanket with anyone else than your wife isn't mutual

You're allowed to want to share a blanket with my wife, but should you try to do so, the only thing under the blanket besides you will be a toe-tag.

 

[nonconformist]

Not at all, I was pointing out that using CG's criteria, being gay in the navy wouldn't matter. Whether a majority of them are or not, I don't know but suspect not - I never saw a hint of it, myself.

The stereotype must be a very British thing then..."It isn't the waves rockign the boat" and all that.

You're allowed to want to share a blanket with my wife, but should you try to do so, the only thing under the blanket besides you will be a toe-tag.

Who said anything about your wife?

 

[Uiler]

What was that quote from Winston Churchill? The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash.

Seriously though - I appreciate anyone who is willing to die for me no matter they race, creed, sex, sexual orientation or colour. I am female but if I was a soldier I wouldn't mind sharing a foxhole with a guy or lesbian. I'd probably feel uncomfortable at first but I don't think it's something I can't get used to in a short time. Especially if I'm distracted by people trying to kill me. I think the ancient instinct of "You save me. You good. You my friend." will take over.

I was assuming your previous post was implying the majority of the USN are gay

Our navy always has been, to the point that in the 1800s, the navy had to slip bromide chemicals into our sailors' rations to stop them getting horny

In any case, your being uncomfortable sharing a blanket with anyone else than your wife isn't mutual

 

[nonconformist]

What was that quote from Winston Churchill? The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash.

All in one evening, if you're lucky.

 

[IglooDame]

Who said anything about your wife?

Well, if you're looking to share my blanket, the same thing applies, the only difference being that she'd likely be the one pulling the trigger instead of me.

And, I'd just do two quick shots to the chest and one to the head. She'd go for kneecaps and work her way up. Slowly.

 

[IglooDame]

All in one evening, if you're lucky.

Damn, I knew I was in the wrong navy...