How certain are you of an afterlife?

[Sidhe]

This vessel will break, and the water will return to where it came from. The place where all the waters come from. Other vessels will be filled.

Am I still ducking?

Quack! Yes your still ducking, mind you at least ducks dive under the surface every once in a while, I live in hope.

 

[Rheinmetall]

I'm pretty sure that after life, I die.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I cannot attach a percentage. Either there is, or isn't. It's binary. I am fairly confident, for my part, that it is, and even live my life accordingly, but if there isn't it is not like I will ever know this fact for certain anyways.

 

[stratos_v2]

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Perhaps not, but there's not a shred of evidence that states that there is any cognative functionality outside the brain's meat.

Nor is there any evidence that there isn't.

Nor is there any evidence that there aren't invisable immaterial unicorns on my shoulder. If there is no evidence for a statement it is correct to dismiss it as fallacious.

Do the lights on my wireless modem generate data? it sure looks like it does.
If i send a byte it blinks, and if i recieve a bit it blinks again.
And if there is no way to sense the wireless signal there is no evidence that it isn't all happening inside the modem.

I know, bad example, but i'm just trying to illustratie that stating that if there is no methode to observe something it must not be true, is foolish.

Now i'm not saying your wrong, or that i'm right. But until you can disprove that it can exist, the possibility that it exists, keeps well ... existing i guess.

The assumption that there is no soul is useful because it allows us to get at the physiological causes of psychology.

Not all psychological illnesses can be cured by medicine.
Sure most forms of psychological illnesses can be explained as a chemical inbalance but a large portion of these illnesses can also be treated by therapy like regresion therapy and the likes. These hardly change any thing 'physical' yet can cure the illness. You could say that in some cases a physical abnormality is the effect and not the cause.

But besides this, the fact if there is a soul or not has very little to do with psychology IMHO. it doesn't matter if consciousness is because of the brain or because of a soul, your trying to study the matter, not the container.

I go by the metric evidence and explanitory power. The soul has less explinitory power and less evidence then a material conciousness. What metric do you go by?

For me, i don't use a metric to decide what to believe, i use a bit of common sense mixed with the firm belief that everything could be possible. Especially when concerning topics that are impossible to measure.
Just because it's improbable doesn't make it impossible.

 

[Sidhe]

I cannot attach a percentage. Either there is, or isn't. It's binary. I am fairly confident, for my part, that it is, and even live my life accordingly, but if there isn't it is not like I will ever know this fact for certain anyways.

It's a binary belief kind of, either 1 or 0 in which way you believe, but there are so many shades of belief. I prefer quantum computing logic it can be either 1 or 0, or a superposition of both states. thus instead of having it to the power of 2; 1,2,4,16 etc we have to the power of 4.

1^4=1

2^4=16

3^4=81

4^4=256

So many possibilities, when we avoid the binary. Your belief should follow a path outside of just 1 and 0. I'm agnostic but even I believe the possibilities are so much more than 1 and 0.

 

[DYNAMICS]

all non believes fear that there is more to life after death. I’m a believer so i believe that their is 100% an after life.

 

[stratos_v2]

all non believes fear that there is more to life after death. I’m a believer so i believe that their is 100% an after life.

that's bull offcourse, you can't state that someone fears something.
I'm quite sure that many hardcore nihilists don't care about death.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

If I stopped believing in an afterlife, I still wouldn't fear death. After all, being dead is the one thing that will make me fit in the most - most of the human race is dead, and those who won't will be soon enough.

 

[Sephiroth]

100% sure there is life after death.
God created us so I am sure he will give us a home when we die...

 

[Perfection]

Do the lights on my wireless modem generate data? it sure looks like it does.
If i send a byte it blinks, and if i recieve a bit it blinks again.
And if there is no way to sense the wireless signal there is no evidence that it isn't all happening inside the modem.

I know, bad example, but i'm just trying to illustratie that stating that if there is no methode to observe something it must not be true, is foolish.

The problem is you have plenty of evidence supporting the fact that the wireless modem may be recieving a signal from an outside source. You'd have to have no prior experience with modern electronics to not see that as a likely possibility.

Now i'm not saying your wrong, or that i'm right. But until you can disprove that it can exist, the possibility that it exists, keeps well ... existing i guess.

Yeah, but there's no reason to believe that that possibility has any bearing in reality. It's on the level of immaterial invisable unicorns on your shoulder.

Not all psychological illnesses can be cured by medicine.
Sure most forms of psychological illnesses can be explained as a chemical inbalance but a large portion of these illnesses can also be treated by therapy like regresion therapy and the likes. These hardly change any thing 'physical' yet can cure the illness.

They certainly do! Just through different means!

But besides this, the fact if there is a soul or not has very little to do with psychology IMHO. it doesn't matter if consciousness is because of the brain or because of a soul, your trying to study the matter, not the container.

That completely ignores all pharmocological and nuerosurgical techniques a staple of psychology.

For me, i don't use a metric to decide what to believe, i use a bit of common sense mixed with the firm belief that everything could be possible. Especially when concerning topics that are impossible to measure.
Just because it's improbable doesn't make it impossible.

Just because it isn't impossible doesn't mean you should believe it.

 

[Tekee]

I voted 100
but I don't understand how you can understand that if you die you just cease to exist, so what happens to all those people who die in Accidents and Wars, do they just ceased to exist?

 

[Perfection]

I voted 100
but I don't understand how you can understand that if you die you just cease to exist, so what happens to all those people who die in Accidents and Wars, do they just ceased to exist?

Yeah, they do. I don't see what's so puzzling about it.

God created us so I am sure he will give us a home when we die...

Why do you believe the former?
How does the former imply the latter?

 

[Tekee]

Oh cool Religion does change your Mindset alot
Becuase I cannot think that when you die your thoughts disappear

 

[Perfection]

Oh cool Religion does change your Mindset alot
Becuase I cannot think that when you die your thoughts disappear

Why can't you?

 

[Tekee]

Becuase I belive in an Afterlife, one that dosen't matter becuase it is Incomprehensible for mortals to Find Infifntiy, that is why we cannot know or even provide a Logical Explantantion to where God came from, he is supposed to be there for ever so when did he Decide to make Earth? When he was created?
That is the end of Human Intelligence

 

[Perfection]

Becuase I belive in an Afterlife, one that dosen't matter becuase it is Incomprehensible for mortals to Find Infifntiy,

Infinity is a pretty easy concept to work with. I use it all the time. It's an important concept in science and engineering. It can get nuanced at times and there are different varities of the infinite but I can work with it rather easily.

Additionally, you say you cannot grasp infinite concepts. Why do you accept the existance of an inifite concept then (an infinitely long afterlife) but not except a finite concept (finite life)?

that is why we cannot know or even provide a Logical Explantantion to where God came from, he is supposed to be there for ever so when did he Decide to make Earth? When he was created?
That is the end of Human Intelligence

You're operating under the assumption that God exists. Why?

 

[Tekee]

Becuase without God then you are already dead who cares about life if it lasts as long as your life Expectancy,
So the Ancient people are less Lucky then us?
No becuase God dosen't care about them becuase the Great religions of Old were Ture but if you know the Truth about Christanity then it will become Sin to not be one.

 

[Perfection]

Becuase without God then you are already dead

There's no logical neccesity for God to exist for me to be alie.

who cares about life if it lasts as long as your life Expectancy,

I do

So the Ancient people are less Lucky then us?

yes

No becuase God dosen't care about them becuase the Great religions of Old were Ture but if you know the Truth about Christanity then it will become Sin to not be one.

What reason is there to believe that the old religions are true?

 

[Tekee]

becuase I belive in Magic too lol
Sorcereors have power too you know and exist that is where Witchs Came from
Well it is a form of Demonology, same with Bigfoot and Aliens, they are all Demons and Monsters,
LOl

 

[Perfection]

So basicly, you admit you cannot defend your beliefs to a rational person.