How come Hitler isnt in civ 4?

[henyo10]

I was wondering how come stalin was able to get in the cast but not hitler. Hitler was able to stabalize the German economy after world war 1 and he is quite frankly teh most famous German leader. It would be really fun though with someone declaring war on almost everyone

 

[AlessioCerci]

noooooo, not again............

 

[nbcman]

@henyo10

Please do a search on the Austrian Corporal and see what happens in threads discussing him. There has been enough discussion in the past. There are mods available to add him if you really want him in your game-just search for it.

Mod link:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=241619

 

[Supr49er]

I was wondering how come stalin was able to get in the cast but not hitler. Hitler was able to stabalize the German economy after world war 1 and he is quite frankly teh most famous German leader. It would be really fun though with someone declaring war on almost everyone

Yeah, this topic has been debated a lot.

Welcome to the Forums henyo10.

 

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[Iranon]

First, none of the other unsuccessful (by the end of their lifetime) leaders in the game are reviled to any great extent; most are still a cultural icon to their country/ethnicity/etc or controversial at best.

Second, legal issues for the German market. Germans being Nazis about Nazism, getting a game featuring Hitler published might not be that easy.

Third, arguably not a good representative of Germany. Russia had several several authoritarian rulers who nevertheless moved the country forward in one fashion or another.

Fourth, possible controversies elsewhere. The civ series isn't one that would benefit from such, looking to be entertainment for the whole family. Some people would balk at a realistic depiction, others would condemn a lighthearted interpretation, you really would upset people left, right and centre.

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Personal aside: I'd have liked to see him in the Road to War mod - 'Who the hell is von Papen?'

 

[Napalm102]

Feel free to continue the debate here

 

[Slobadog]

Another reason why Hitler can not be in civ is that the mods here have a policy here to lock hitler threads on sight. I think. No sense putting him in the game if he can't be discussed.

 

[Wolfshanze]

I was wondering how come stalin was able to get in the cast but not hitler. Hitler was able to stabalize the German economy after world war 1 and he is quite frankly teh most famous German leader. It would be really fun though with someone declaring war on almost everyone

Well if it bugs you, he is available to play for or against in my Wolfshanze Mod (see sig-line).

Oh, and to repeat what's been said a zillion times in a zillion differant threads, yeah... there is no difference between putting Stalin or Hitler in the game... they were both rotten men who had the blood of millions on their hands... marketing decisions in Germany be-damned.

 

[henyo10]

@Supr49er

uhh tnx

@topic

sorry just really curios why a lot of leaders that committed a lot of bad things were featured in the game and thru these things it changed their civ but not hitler.

 

[omnimutant]

Personally I don't think Stalin should be in the Game either because both were equally as brutal. Some could argue that many other leaders in the game are equally guilty of the some things, however those leaders were not in power recent enough to offend people who lived through it.

That said I believe Stalin made the Cut because his Crimes Against Humanity are not as well known as Hitler. Also he was an Ally in WWII.

Could you imagine Playing the Game and Having say a Jewish Grandmother who's Parents were victims of Hitler walk in the room? It would be highly offensive on a whole new level, not to mention a PR Nightmare for the Game. I completely stand by their decision not to include Hitler in the game. I do believe Stalin should be removed from future titles as well.

Historical Figures like Ghengis or Alexander are different because they are NOT modern History.

Edited:
I believe there is some Law in Germany that has something to do with the Banning of any Nazi Related Items. Hitler would mean no German Sales of Civ4.

Edit 2:
Notice that None of the Axis Leaders are in the Game at all.

 

[Willem]

Hitler is not in the game because we was a lousy leader. He brought his country to a peak for a very short time then had it all come crashing down. By the time he was done with Germany, the cities were rubble, the economy was in ruins, and the country itself was split in two. That was his legacy. Stalin on the other hand turned his country , which at the time was decades behind all the other Western nations, into one of the world's super powers and though not quite as influential as it once was, it still can be counted as one of the more advanced and powerful nations in the world. His legacy still remains today while Hitler's required alot of mending to overcome.

 

[AfterShafter]

Hitler is not in the game because we was a lousy leader. He brought his country to a peak for a very short time then had it all come crashing down. By the time he was done with Germany, the cities were rubble, the economy was in ruins, and the country itself was split in two. That was his legacy. Stalin on the other hand turned his country , which at the time was decades behind all the other Western nations, into one of the world's super powers and though not quite as influential as it once was, it still can be counted as one of the more advanced and powerful nations in the world. His legacy still remains today while Hitler's required alot of mending to overcome.

So why is a loser like Napoleon in the game? His country wasn't even in a rut prior to him coming to power, so he can't be credited with bringing France back from the brink, and all he did was drain its resources and eventually lose

 

[Gumbolt]

You can play the Germans anyway. Does the leader name really matter that much? Pointless debate really i hope the thread is closed asap like the previous threads.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

I do think Hitler should be in as leader of a seperate civ, the Nazi German Empire, and with traits of Aggressive/Charismatic. A unique unit of maybe...S.S. Unit, replacing Infantry?

 

[Bigfoot3814]

It's true, Hitler was "teh most famous german leader", but it would offend a lot of people, and would make it impossible to sell the game in Germany, who has laws against things like that. There.

 

[AfterShafter]

It's true, Hitler was "teh most famous german leader", but it would offend a lot of people, and would make it impossible to sell the game in Germany, who has laws against things like that. There.

Bingo, end of story. As far as influence and effectiveness goes, he would be far from the bottom of the roster in Civ, and wouldn't even be the lowest for longevity. The fact that he's singled out as the only evil leader in a horde of evil leaders that we get offended by, as a culture, and that the game couldn't be sold in Germany then, are the only reasons he's not in the game.

 

[Genv [FP]]

Because Hitler was worse than Stalin.

 

[Willem]

So why is a loser like Napoleon in the game? His country wasn't even in a rut prior to him coming to power, so he can't be credited with bringing France back from the brink, and all he did was drain its resources and eventually lose

Because of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code

Napolean's changes to France's legal system helped transform all of Europe from feudalist societies to the democracies we know today.

 

[AfterShafter]

Because of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code

Napolean's changes to France's legal system helped transform all of Europe from feudalist societies to the democracies we know today.

Oh, shucks, got me there.... Except for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg#Definition_and_methods

Blitzkrieg, which was first effectively used and shown to be an incredibly dominant way of deploying armored units in conjunction with other branches of the military, has effectively shaped the way warfare has been done from then to this very day.

Hitler didn't invent Blitzkrieg - but then again, Napoleon didn't write the Napoleonic code. They are just the leaders who brought these things into the world on a grand scale, and made them what they are today. Pretty much puts these guys as both influential warlord losers - except that one is evil and ran his country into the ground, and one just ran his country into the ground.

You could also give him credit for his wide adoption of the construction of the autobahns, which was the inspiration for the freeway system you have in the United States today... But that's splitting a stretch since he didn't start it, just went with it in a big way.

Face it - however much the demonization of Hitler makes everyone want to say "Well he wasn't even important, so who cares!"... You can't go into political debate or a movie store to this day without seeing this guy pop up somewhere. Even if he hadn't done anything of influence - which he most obviously did - the sheer fascination western culture has with the man and his regime has been tremendously influential on the arts and world politics. The military tactics which he popularized are cornerstones of how war is waged to this day. He is a very major figure of the past century, and out of the Germany leaders of the past century, probably warrants a place in a game like Civ more than any other individual. So, let's stop fooling ourselves as to why this man isn't in the game.