How did Gaza form?

[Abaddon]

Wondering how people percieve [wiki]Gaza[/wiki] to have formed.

Much more fun than wikiing its history

 

[Cuivienen]

Modern Gaza? It was a rump state left behind after Israel seized about half of what was intended to be Palestine by the original UN mandate in 1947. Then, the Egyptians took it in 1948 and declared their protectorate over it while ignoring its needs. The Israelis conquered it again in 1967 and established martial law, which remained until 1993. At the time, Gaza was useful to Israel as a place to bottle up Palestinians from Israel proper. It was abused and neglect by both Egypt and Israel. In 1993, control of Gaza was nominally transferred to the Palestinian Authority, though realistically Israel has as much power there as it did before.

 

[silver 2039]

Gaza was formed when a giant pyramid was built by Thuthomos III when he defited the Hitties at the Horn of Hattin and crossed the Red Sea to invade Sumeria and establish colonies in Polynesia.

 

[bhsup]

So Israel should give it back to Egypt and build a wall, letting Egypt deal with it. Problem solved! Then, if Egypt doesn't grant them Statehood, it's on them.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Modern Gaza? It was a rump state left behind after Israel seized about half of what was intended to be Palestine by the original UN mandate in 1947. Then, the Egyptians took it in 1948 and declared their protectorate over it while ignoring its needs. The Israelis conquered it again in 1967 and established martial law, which remained until 1993. At the time, Gaza was useful to Israel as a place to bottle up Palestinians from Israel proper. It was abused and neglect by both Egypt and Israel. In 1993, control of Gaza was nominally transferred to the Palestinian Authority, though realistically Israel has as much power there as it did before.

Nah. Since the Israeli evacuation in 2005, the show is run, to the extent it's run at all, by the PA. The Israelis have confined themselves to bombing and raids since.


As for giving it to Egypt, it's not in in Israel's gift, and Egypt wouldn't be idiot enough to accept it anyway.

 

[emzie]

So Israel should give it back to Egypt and build a wall, letting Egypt deal with it. Problem solved! Then, if Egypt doesn't grant them Statehood, it's on them.

Isn't it already walled off?

 

[Maimonides]

How Gaza formed is a big question. It has a very long history going back to the Philistines & possibly beyond. It's been conquered countless times.

The current area is known as the Gaza Strip because it centers on Gaza & because of it's shape. It was Egyptian territory. Israel conquered it in the wars of 1956 & 1967. Miraculously, everyone there stopped being Egyptian & started being Palestinian. Egypt has given up it's claim to the territory & it's not part of Israel. It was known as part of the Occupied Territories. Israel pulled it's troops & settlers out of the Gaza Strip in 2006. It is supposed to be ruled by the Palestinian Authority, but fighting between Hamas & Fatah has left the PA impotent at the moment.

Modern Gaza? It was a rump state left behind after Israel seized about half of what was intended to be Palestine by the original UN mandate in 1947. Then, the Egyptians took it in 1948 and declared their protectorate over it while ignoring its needs. The Israelis conquered it again in 1967 and established martial law, which remained until 1993. At the time, Gaza was useful to Israel as a place to bottle up Palestinians from Israel proper. It was abused and neglect by both Egypt and Israel. In 1993, control of Gaza was nominally transferred to the Palestinian Authority, though realistically Israel has as much power there as it did before.

That is almost entirely incorrect.

Gaza was formed when a giant pyramid was built by Thuthomos III when he defited the Hitties at the Horn of Hattin and crossed the Red Sea to invade Sumeria and establish colonies in Polynesia.

About as likely as Cuivienen's explaination. It's hard to detect sarcasm on a forum, but I'm getting it here.

So Israel should give it back to Egypt and build a wall, letting Egypt deal with it. Problem solved! Then, if Egypt doesn't grant them Statehood, it's on them.

It was part of Egypt. Egypt doesn't want it back & has given up it's claim to it.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would want it.

Isn't it already walled off?

It is pretty isolated currently. Egypt guards it's border with Gaza for the same reason Israel does, to stop terrorist infiltrations. The Israeli navy inspects ships going in & out to try to stop arms shipments. There is an international airport, but who's suicidal enough to fly on an airliner to Gaza? There is no wall around Gaza, but there is a fence with checkpoints. The checkpoints are currently closed to anyone but journalists & the military.

 

[Che Guava]

Millions of years ago, the earth's crust began to cool.......

 

[civverguy]

It was formed when people settled there. This should be moved to the history forum.

 

[Maimonides]

Millions of years ago, the earth's crust began to cool.......

Then the dinosaurs came, but they were tooooo big!

 

[innonimatu]

It was part of Egypt. Egypt doesn't want it back & has given up it's claim to it.

Come on, you must know that Egypt had also illegitimately occupied it in 1948...

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would want it.

But you are right in saying that. West Bank palestinians themselves are apparently not font of being part of the same future nation - if the current situation is ever solved...
And you are right that is was actually israeli occupation that led the palestinians to develop what amounts now to a national identity! This can be a funny world sometimes - or it would if the situation there wasn't so bleak now.

 

[Maimonides]

Come on, you must know that Egypt had also illegitimately occupied it in 1948...

Honestly, that's news to me. When the British Mandate was partitioned, I know the Gaza Strip didn't go to Israel or Trans-Jordan(present day Jordan). I thought it went to Egypt. If not, who did it go to?

 

[Bill3000]

Honestly, that's news to me. When the British Mandate was partitioned, I know the Gaza Strip didn't go to Israel or Trans-Jordan(present day Jordan). I thought it went to Egypt. If not, who did it go to?

Well, it went to Palestine in the UN partition plan.

 

[Maimonides]

Well, it went to Palestine in the UN partition plan.

Now I know that's not true. There was no political entity called Palestine in the partition. The West Bank went to Trans-Jordan, hence the name. I'm still pretty sure the Gaza Strip went to Egypt.

EDIT: Maybe we are talking about 2 different things. I'm talking about the partition of the British Mandate in 1948. Are you talking about something more recent?

 

[Bill3000]

Now I know that's not true. There was no political entity called Palestine in the partition. The West Bank went to Trans-Jordan, hence the name. I'm still pretty sure the Gaza Strip went to Egypt.

EDIT: Maybe we are talking about 2 different things. I'm talking about the partition of the British Mandate in 1948. Are you talking about something more recent?

Less recent. The UN partition plan to make two states in Palestine; Arab and Jewish.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/1947PartitionPlan.PNG

It was part of the Arab.

 

[Maimonides]

It wasn't so black & white as that, though. Maybe it depends on where you draw the boundary of "Palestine."

Clearly, the West Bank was part of Trans-Jordan at the time of partition. The Israelis conquered it in 1967. When Trans-Jordan reliquished it's claim to the West Bank, it changed it's name to Jordan because it was no longer "trans-Jordan."

The original borders of Israel aren't in dispute for the purposes of this discussion.

The Gaza Strip was part of Egypt. The Israelis conquered it & the whole Sinai in 1956, but later returned them-to Egypt, not "Palestine." It was not an independant political entity between 1948 & 1956. They conquered Gaza again in 1967 & held on to it. Egypt reliquished it's claim to Gaza. Israel pulled out & moved back in several times. The last pull-out was last year. If rockets keep going over the border & Hamas remains in power, I won't be suprised to see the Israelis go back in again.

In fact, the partition divided Palestine into three states, Israel, Trans-Jordan & Egypt. There has never been a political entity called Palestine. Palestine was the name of the region.

EDIT: I just looked at the map you linked. It's as useless as a map of Tolkien's Middle-Earth.

In the partition that was actually approved by the UN, Haifa & Tiberias were not seperated by some unnamed territory. Northern Israel was contiguous between Haifa & Tiberias. Also, the West Bank was part of Trans-Jordan.

EDIT: Also, Israel had a corridor between Jerusalem & Tel Aviv. The Old City of Jerusalem was in Trans-Jordan. Honestly, that map is ridiculous. At best, it's an early plan that was never approved.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Moderator Action: Moved to History.

 

[innonimatu]

The Gaza Strip was part of Egypt. The Israelis conquered it & the whole Sinai in 1956, but later returned them-to Egypt, not "Palestine." It was not an independant political entity between 1948 & 1956.

Egypt invaded and occupied Gaza in 1948, the territory was part of the british "protectorate" of Palestine, and meant to become part of the arab state in the partition, together with the West Bank.

In fact, the partition divided Palestine into three states, Israel, Trans-Jordan & Egypt. There has never been a political entity called Palestine. Palestine was the name of the region.

That's the partition resulting from the 1947-48 war, not the partition plan endorsed by the british and the UN. What was meant to become an independent state as Palestine was divided between Israel, Jordan and Egypt.

In the partition that was actually approved by the UN, Haifa & Tiberias were not seperated by some unnamed territory. Northern Israel was contiguous between Haifa & Tiberias. Also, the West Bank was part of Trans-Jordan.

No, it wasn’t! This is the official map of the 1947 partition plan.

 

[aelf]

You have to begin from the (probably) Greek seafaring people who allied with the Phoenicians, settled in the area, brought iron working there, became the Philistines and came into conflict with the Hebrews.